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--- Log opened Wed Aug 15 00:00:06 2012
00:00 < Frostee> but then where would I go? o_O
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00:02 < Isarra> I don't know.
00:03 < Frostee> I'm up to 48,000 btw
00:03 < Isarra> So what CSD do you use when someone copied the rendered text of an article and pasted it into a template?
00:05 < Jeske_Merensky> Isarra) TfD
00:06 < Isarra> Technically it's a copyright violation, it duplicates an article on an existing topic, and qualifies as a test page. Why would it need discussion?
00:07 < Isarra> And huggle just asked me if I wanted to tag something for deletion instead when I was tagging it for deletion. Smart.
00:07 < Frostee> 62,000 as of the end of 2006
00:07 < Isarra> Eep.
00:08 < Frostee> still got 2006 and 2005 to go o_O
00:08 < Frostee> assuming qvfd existed in 2005
00:08 < Jeske_Merensky> "To have betrayed two leaders—to have wrecked two historic parties—reveals a depth of infamy never previously reached, compared with which the Thugs of India are faithful friends and Judas Iscariot is entitled to a crown of glory." —John Burns, talking about Joseph Chamberlain
00:11 < Isarra> How do you request something be salted?
00:12 < Frostee> Magic
00:13 < Jeske_Merensky> Isarra) Mail a bag of salt to an admin.
00:15 < Isarra> I don't think I know where any live.
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00:15 < Isarra> Er... wait, actually, I do...
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00:15 < Frostee> Isarra: 74,676
00:15 < Isarra> Total? Or is that just so far?
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00:16 < Frostee> Thankyou or using FrosteeCounterBot. Have a nice day!
00:16 < Frostee> total
00:16 < Isarra> Oooo.
00:16 < Frostee> why would I give 74,676 if I'm doing it in lots of 2000?
00:16 < Isarra> No idea.
00:16 < Frostee> :D
00:17 < Frostee> So what are you to use this information for?
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00:17 < Frostee> And if you say nothing I will hit you
00:18 < Isarra> The adminatti will decide whether or not a pool should be opened regarding the ability to undelete it.
00:19 < Isarra> But in the meantime I'm going to bed.
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00:20 * Frostee hits Isarra
00:21 < Isarra> Ow.
00:21 < ow> Yes?
00:21 < Isarra> He hit me.
00:21 < ow> and then you hilighted me
00:23 < Isarra> So I did.
00:24 * Isarra puts a barnstar tattoo on ow.
00:24 < ow> ow
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00:30 < Frostee> hahahaha
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00:30 < IShadowed> Lord jesus christ
00:30 < IShadowed> my back is killing me
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02:05 < IRWolfie-> IShadowed: sleep wrong?
02:06 < IShadowed> ?
02:06 < IShadowed> no
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02:16 < IRWolfie-> IShadowed: I meant for the sore back
02:16 < IShadowed> I know
02:16 < IShadowed> which is why I followed ? with
02:16 < IShadowed> 'no'
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02:18 < Steven_Zhang> Evening.
02:19 < IRWolfie-> o/
02:19 * Steven_Zhang is hungry :/
02:19 < Steven_Zhang> wait…today is supposed to be my day off.
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02:20 < IShadowed> hi Steven_Zhang
02:20 < Steven_Zhang> yo
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02:20 < Steven_Zhang> yo TheCavalry
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02:21 < TheCavalry> hey, at work: little busy :-)
02:21 < Steven_Zhang> lol.
02:21 < Steven_Zhang> I'm at work too
02:21 < Steven_Zhang> Wikipedia :P
02:21 < norbit> Steven_Zhang: TheCavalry too!
02:21 < norbit> :O
02:21 < Steven_Zhang> Yes
02:22 < Steven_Zhang> But diff places
02:23 * Steven_Zhang is going to queensland in a week
02:24 < norbit> Steven_Zhang: lolwut
02:25 < Steven_Zhang> yeh
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03:16 < Mdann52> Is there any warning templates for users who add contact details to articles?
03:20 < norbit> Mdann52: {{uw-stalk1}}
03:20 < Mdann52> Even if it's their own?
03:20 < Mdann52> Details?
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03:36 < TeeTylerToe> that's for the oversight people
03:38 < Mdann52> Ok
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04:20 < TeeTylerToe> wow is the signpost gossipy
04:21 < wctaiwan> Signpost is frequently contrarian and sometimes worryingly so.
04:21 < TeeTylerToe> how is it contrarian?
04:21 < wctaiwan> but it depends on the writers they can get...
04:22 < wctaiwan> I can't put it clearly, but there have been times when it included articles that had me going ehhhh
04:22 < TeeTylerToe> ...
04:22 < wctaiwan> I think there was something from the recent Fae debacle.
04:23 < wctaiwan> anyway I'll be quiet now. Carry on :P
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04:36 < geniice> ah the temptation to be nasty to nationalists on OTRS
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04:45 < Mdann52> Any admins in here?
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04:46 < geniice> yes
04:47 < Mdann52> Can you help me in -help please - there's a user stuck in an IP block
04:48 < geniice> ok
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05:11 < geniice> I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/ is as helpful as ever
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05:33 < geniice> http://richkidsofinstagram.tumblr.com/
05:34 < Mdann52> What us that about?
05:35 < wctaiwan> rich kids of instragram? >_>
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05:36 < geniice> depending on your POV light mocking of the rich or class envy
05:36 < Mdann53> Ah ok
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05:39 < Qcoder02> Quick question
05:40 < Qcoder02> Patron Saint of Wikipedians is ?
05:40 < Qcoder02> (Other than Jimbo)
05:40 < Mdann53> He is the only one
05:40 < Qcoder02> And the Great Architect of the Project :)
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05:41 < wctaiwan> Y'all forgot about Sanger.
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05:42 < geniice> Qcoder02 I'm not aware of the Vatican providing a ruling at this time however there is a case for Jude the Apostle
05:42 < Mdann52> I went there yesterday!
05:42 < geniice> he is the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes
05:42 < Mdann52> Sorry, random outburst there
05:43 < Mdann52> geniice, sounds a lot like wikipedia :)
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05:43 < Qcoder02> I think there was also a claim made by one group that some Saint connected with Bible manuscripts was appropriate to Internet writers...
05:43 < Qcoder02> (Possibly Saint Micheal)
05:45 < wctaiwan> geniice: You mean Jimbo?
05:45 < geniice> no
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05:45 < Qcoder02> geniice: IS there a saint connected with scribes?
05:46 < Qcoder02> I would say given that his role was 'communication' of the Gospel, John the Evangelist might figure as well...
05:46 < geniice> see list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Alexandria
05:47 < Mdann52> I still think Jimbo............
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05:48 < Qcoder02> geniice : HMmm
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05:53 < wctaiwan> o_O surreal
05:53 < wctaiwan> I was watching this video on YouTube a few days ago. The uploader hadn't been active for a year or so.
05:53 < wctaiwan> And then today I notice a new reply to a comment on the video.
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05:54 < Qcoder02> Any Catholics in?
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05:55 < RexxS> Peter Damian was a saint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Damian - but there may be other objections.
05:56 < Qcoder02> And those objections would be?
05:57 < RexxS> Wikipedia may not want a reformer as its patron saint?
05:58 < Qcoder02> Hmm
05:58 < Qcoder02> To me a Wikipedian patron site would be an educator, communicator or scribe...
05:58 < IShadowed> Qcoder02, why are you looking for a Catholic
05:59 < Qcoder02> IShadowed: They know more about specifc saints than non-catholics ;)
05:59 < IShadowed> Meh.
05:59 < Qcoder02> I asked if Wikipedians had a Patron Saint
05:59 < Qcoder02> ;)
05:59 < IShadowed> no but there is a patron saint of television
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06:00 < RexxS> http://www.catholic.org/saints/patron.php?letter=E
06:01 < RexxS> Television = Clare, Gabriel the Archangel
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06:01 < RexxS> even seems to be a patron saint of editors
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06:02 < Qcoder02> Hmm
06:02 < Qcoder02> Who wrote the first collections of Church doctrine and practice?
06:02 < RexxS> Jimbo?
06:02 < RexxS> (just a guess)
06:03 < Qcoder02> I was being serious for a moment
06:03 < Qcoder02> :)
06:03 < Qcoder02> Time for e reference Desk question
06:03 < Qcoder02> ;)
06:03 < RexxS> wrong channel
06:05 < RexxS> ok - First Council of Nicaea is a good starting point
06:07 < IRWolfie-> I'm pretty sure that is when they compiled the first bible at least
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06:08 < Qcoder02> SO a Patron Saint of Wikipedia, might be someone that was at the First Council...
06:08 < Qcoder02> Hmm
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06:34 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: First you need to find some miracles they allegedly performed :>
06:34 < Qcoder02> Of course :(
06:34 < Qcoder02> And that's the hard part
06:35 < IRWolfie-> (or technically intercede if you don't like the paganism implications)
06:35 < IRWolfie-> *interceded for
06:36 < IRWolfie-> I didn't realise theologians were medical doctors: "For example, an American deacon claimed in 2000 that Blessed John Henry Newman interceded with God to cure him. The American, Jack Sullivan, asserted that after addressing Newman he was cured of spinal stenosis in a matter of hours. In 2009, a panel of theologians concluded that Sullivan's recovery was the result of his prayer to Newman."
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06:36 < IRWolfie-> "a medical recovery must be instantaneous, not attributable to treatment, disappear for good." <-- that includes natural recovery seemingly
06:37 < IRWolfie-> We can have arbcom as our panel of theologians
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06:37 < IRWolfie-> see if any articles were mysteriously and instantaneously improved while praying to an editor :>
06:37 < Tony_Sidaway_> The Catholics do supposedly consult with doctors to rule out the possibility of medical recovery.
06:38 < Qcoder02> IRWolfie-: Or that a Vandal saw common sense :)
06:38 < IRWolfie-> Tony_Sidaway_: I'd be surprised at a doctor that stated it was impossible for it to have been natural causes
06:39 < IRWolfie-> sometimes people just get better, sometimes people think they get better
06:39 < Tony_Sidaway_> It's all mumbo jumbo, but they try to put a patina of scientific investigation over the top.
06:40 < Qcoder02> Real faith , and thus true intercession cannot be wholly proven by scientific means amyway
06:40 < Qcoder02> *anyway
06:40 < IRWolfie-> If God has a plan, how can the saints intercede. If the plan can be changed to a less evil one, that means God deliberately does not change to the less evil plan until asked to
06:40 < IRWolfie-> ergo, God is evil
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06:40 < Qcoder02> The saints can Intercede according to the Plan?
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06:41 < IRWolfie-> which makes even less sense to me, in his plan he already then accounts for the saints interceding, rendering the intercession obselete
06:41 < IRWolfie-> sounds like a pedantic God
06:41 < Tony_Sidaway_> Who was it, on visiting Lourdes, is supposed to have asked: where are the discarded artificial limbs?
06:41 < IRWolfie-> I'll give you some horrible disease until you pray to a saint, only then will I remove it
06:42 < Qcoder02> Diseases are not always inflicted by God
06:42 < Qcoder02> Some diseases are inflicted because of a vice...
06:42 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: like being born in the wrong country?
06:42 < Tony_Sidaway_> Manicheism?
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06:43 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway_: I'm not fmailiar with the exact term... but obesity is a disease that result from a vice of Gluttony etc...
06:44 < ragesoss> yuvipanda: got a beta yet?
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06:46 < Tony_Sidaway_> And congenital diseases presumably are visited upon their innocent victims as punishment for the sins of the ancestors. What a nasty, spiteful, evil little shit is this priests' god.
06:46 < Qcoder02> IRWolfe; I meant things like Obesity ...
06:46 < Qcoder02> tony_Sidaway_: I take it you have a 'liberal' viewpoint :)
06:47 < Tony_Sidaway_> I have no viewpoint on fictional entities.
06:47 < Qcoder02> :)
06:47 * Qcoder02 smiles
06:48 < Qcoder02> God is not a fiction
06:48 < Qcoder02> but God is not what most people think :)
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06:48 < Tony_Sidaway_> Voldemort does evil things and so does this priests' god.
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06:49 < Tony_Sidaway_> Both are constructed by humans: one for entertainment, the other to explain why things happen.
06:51 < Tony_Sidaway_> Leibniz struggled hard to construct a theodicy to explain the problem of evil.
06:51 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: was about to finish the last one (Do not crash when there is no network) but slept off :)
06:51 < yuvipanda> but other than that everything else is complete.
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06:51 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: The cause of obesity is more complex than just being greedy
06:51 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WPSignpost.apk
06:51 < Qcoder02> Obviously :)
06:52 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: but you just said it was caused by gluttony
06:52 < Qcoder02> OH OK
06:52 < Qcoder02> Sorry
06:53 < Tony_Sidaway_> That obesity disproportionately afflicts those without secure access to food is telling.
06:53 < Tony_Sidaway_> Poor people in Mississippi are not more evil than people in Boston.
06:54 < Tony_Sidaway_> As far as religion goes, too, they are more likely to be devout practitioners and believers.
06:55 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: the question though is why natural evil exists
06:55 < IRWolfie-> since it is so easy for an omnipotent God to remove it
06:55 < Tony_Sidaway_> So perhaps obesity is a reward for faith. It makes just as much sense.
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06:56 < mareklug> there is definitely a cultural link between diet choices and obesity
06:56 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: and of course, any good person would remove it (God is meant to be made in our image)
06:56 < IRWolfie-> err (we are meant to be made in his image even
06:56 < ragesoss> yuvipanda: that's really nice, except that I get an "An error occured :(" with a retry button overlaying the content.
06:56 < Tony_Sidaway_> Fat as stigmata.
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06:57 < ragesoss> (also, occurred is misspelled)
06:57 < Tony_Sidaway_> Irwolfie I think you had it the right way round the first time.
06:57 < ragesoss> it seems to work fine despite the error, though.
06:57 < Tony_Sidaway_> Books are written by men. Gods are created in books.
06:58 < ragesoss> is this officially the beta, yuvipanda?
06:59 < Tony_Sidaway_> As John says, in the beginning was the word.
07:00 < Tony_Sidaway_> If you're a fictional entity it's only natural to deny that a word implies an author, a human author.
07:01 < wctaiwan> Sophie's World, Tony_Sidaway_.
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07:03 < ragesoss> yuvipanda: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7foj6b82dh7xxu8/Screenshot_2012-08-15-10-01-19.png
07:05 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: no, officially beta in a few hours when I've fixed the networking related issues
07:05 < yuvipanda> ragesoss: repro'd it and fixed it :)
07:05 < yuvipanda> this is one commit away from beta
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07:06 < ragesoss> cool!
07:06 < Tony_Sidaway_> There is an argument to the effect that we are almost certainly simulations in a computer model of some sort, assuming this is possible. Ingenious and perhaps a little perplexing.
07:07 < wctaiwan> that's of course if you believe in the existence of an omnipotent deity.
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07:09 < mareklug> "French soccer stars Franck Ribery and Karim Benzema will face a trial after allegedly soliciting an underage prostitute."
07:09 < Tony_Sidaway_> An omnipotent deity is not necessary for simulation.
07:12 < IRWolfie-> Tony_Sidaway_: must be a weird sort of computer because the physical world is only amenable to simulation to approximations :>
07:12 < Qcoder02> My spoof 'spritual system' EFTPOS has a concept of the 'Trunk' which is a universal interconnect between peoples interfaces ;)
07:13 < Qcoder02> In many ways that's closer to Eastern systems than Western ideas about a Single god figure
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07:18 < TeeTylerToe> Why can the Legend class National security cutter go 28 knots?
07:18 < wctaiwan> IRWolfie-: not this channel? I thought nothing interesting happened in the other one >.>
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07:20 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: our wiki article is silent on this
07:20 < TeeTylerToe> I guess the question is why could the hamilton class cutters go 29 knots, although they're 1,000 long tons lighter than the legend class
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07:22 < Gigs-> TeeTylerToe: bigger powerplant
07:22 < IRWolfie-> wctaiwan: seems to be someone pasting what happened during a wiki downtime
07:23 < wctaiwan> eh. meh.
07:24 < geniice> TeeTylerToe presumably power to weight ratio. If you mean why they decided to design something slower it may have been decided that the speed wasn't needed so they might as well use the space and mass for something else
07:24 < Gigs-> the legend class has a bigger cruising power plant but a smaller turbine
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07:24 < Gigs-> so it can cruse faster when the boost turbine is off
07:24 < mareklug> 28 or over vs. 29 is not exactly "designed slower"
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07:25 < Gigs-> the turbine-on speed is not the usual speed anyway
07:25 < Gigs-> that's just for short-term high speed use
07:28 < mareklug> plus the carry aircraft to get the speedboat types
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07:33 < Trenton> emailing articles to a user wouldn't qualify as [[WP:MEAT]], would it?
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07:49 < achilles> If room temperature is 28 degree Celtius, what should be the temperature of water in the room/.
07:49 < mareklug> Celcius or centigrade. depends on its pressure.
07:50 < achilles> Celcius
07:51 < Fluffernutter> depends on how long the water has been sitting there
07:51 < achilles> its been just half an hour
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07:53 < achilles> i needed to keep some butter in a cool place.. preferably in a fridge..but I dont have one..so I kept it in a plate inside water
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07:54 < wctaiwan> won't help.
07:54 < mareklug> presumably you can get cooler running water than 28 deg C if you just let it run some
07:54 < mareklug> get some ice
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08:00 < Trenton> /join #wikipedia-en-admins
08:01 < Trenton> eh :P
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08:01 < Qcoder02> Afternoon
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08:02 < Qcoder02> Is there a way to ensure the objectonable views of notable indviauls aren't mentioned non-neturally on Wikipedia?
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08:03 < geniice> no
08:07 < Spitfire> geniice++
08:07 < Qcoder02> Is there any gudiance on the matter?
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08:09 < Isarra> Qcoder02: It's hopeless. Just fix it when you find it.
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08:13 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder02: what do you mean by objectionable views, and how are they portrayed?
08:16 < Qcoder02> Objectionable views are those that which would prove controversial if quoted, like for example of politican saying it's ok to beat up gay people for example...
08:17 < Gigs-> it needs to be presented with context and secondary source analysis
08:17 < mareklug> if a politician did say that, i don't see why it could not be cited on wiki in Controversies section of their bio
08:17 < Gigs-> controversy sections are undesirable
08:18 < mareklug> but they abound. you are not thinking of Trivia sections?
08:18 < Gigs-> nope
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08:18 < Gigs-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criticism#Avoid_sections_and_articles_focusing_on_.22criticisms.22_or_.22controversies.22
08:19 < Tony_Sidaway> COntroversy sections are generally a sign that editors aren't properly integrating some material into the article properly.
08:19 < Qcoder02> Thanks
08:19 < Gigs-> it's not the sort of thing we need to go try to eliminate from every article that has one
08:19 < Gigs-> but it's generally not a "best practice"
08:20 < Qcoder02> However, presumably if the objectionable views are important contextually, like when a senior government figure says something that would bring into question his judgment is it relevant to mention?
08:20 < Gigs-> we can't say that it brings his judgement into question
08:20 < Gigs-> if a bunch of secondary sources said it then you can cite those
08:20 < Qcoder02> Like a Minister of Justice making a comment implying all racists are white ;)
08:21 * Daley qustions any high-profile person and their actions/speeches/scandals/etc.
08:21 < Daley> questions
08:21 < mareklug> Gigs-: same link says later: "Articles or sections dedicated to a controversy may be appropriate if the reliable sources on the topic discuss the controversies as an independent topic."
08:21 < Gigs-> mareklug: in that case it would be better to name the section based on the individual event
08:21 < Tony_Sidaway> DOn't eliminate the controversial material whre properly sourced, but do avoid corraling it into a single section.
08:21 < Gigs-> mareklug: a blanket section named "controversies" as a catch-all is to be avoided
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08:23 < Qcoder02> Of course mentioning every single instance of some conserative figure ranting about benefit cheats isn't needed as it's an accepted ideological viewpoint of those type of people ;)
08:23 < TeeTylerToe> Controversy sections are generally a sign of the editors editing the article being conversant in wikipedia policy on consensus. The policy being that if there are reliable sources supporting contradictory views that an article should be expanded to include all reliably supported views
08:24 < TeeTylerToe> not to say that there should be a controversy section supporting creationism or some divine theory on the creation of the universe
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08:24 < Pharos> no, 'Controversy' is not about "contradictory" views
08:24 < Qcoder02> That said for certain National level politicians , a section outlining thier political positions is valid, even if those positions are controversial or in some instances (illegal)
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08:24 < Gigs-> the point is, especially with bios, we shouldn't have a white-washed glowing bio with all the perceived negative stuff jammed into the bottom in a controversy section, ideally
08:24 < TeeTylerToe> it would be nice if the paul ryan article included information about his plan to privetize social security
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08:25 < Qcoder02> And put a cap on Medicare spending...
08:25 < Pharos> it should, but that's not a controversy, that's his program!
08:25 < TeeTylerToe> no, he dropped it in 2010
08:25 < TeeTylerToe> after he stopped voting against things before he voted for them
08:26 < Pharos> then it should be in a historical section
08:26 < Qcoder02> His comments about the NHS are probably less valid to mention in an article though...
08:26 < TeeTylerToe> why?
08:26 < Pharos> because it's about his history
08:26 < Qcoder02> They were comments made in a pollitical speech for a specfic audience...
08:26 < TeeTylerToe> was he one of the crazies that said that in scandanavia they vote on who to euthanize?
08:26 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: I don't think so
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08:27 < IRWolfie-> TeeTylerToe: who was?
08:27 < TeeTylerToe> so what you're saying is that he had his hand behind his back and he was crossing his fingers when he was making the speech?
08:27 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan
08:27 < Pharos> sarah palin, sort of
08:27 < TeeTylerToe> he probably wasn't one of the ones that said that though
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08:29 < Pharos> i have my own hybris benefits program
08:29 < Pharos> *hybrid
08:29 < Pharos> "medicare for all, social security for none"
08:29 < TeeTylerToe> social security cut poverty of senior citizens by 50%. 47% of people that die have an estate worth $10,000 or less
08:30 < tommorris> Joe Schmoe was a very nice chap.
08:30 < tommorris> == Controversy ==
08:30 < tommorris> One day Joe Schmoe decided to rape 50 kittens.
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08:30 < Pharos> people that die are often consciously depleting their estate before death, all my relatives did that!
08:30 < TeeTylerToe> his stance now apparently is that everyone COULD pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become multi-billionaire
08:30 < TeeTylerToe> I guess that means he solved poverty and hunger
08:31 < TeeTylerToe> maybe he should go to africa, india, and china and preach the good word
08:31 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: In a perfect market they could...
08:31 < Qcoder02> The problem is that there is NEVER a perfect market
08:31 < TeeTylerToe> people that die of malaria just didn't suceed hard enough
08:31 < TeeTylerToe> it's there own fault when you think about it
08:32 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: China's doing quite well... So well it has empty cities no-one uses ;)
08:32 < tommorris> I was going to pull myself up by my bootstraps but the bootstrap manufacturer has gone out of business in the recession.
08:32 < TeeTylerToe> of course paul ryan put himself through college on his dead father's social security benefits
08:32 < geniice> TeeTylerToe Do we in any case want people which such weak immune systems?
08:32 < TeeTylerToe> china has about 900 billion people in poverty, millions starving
08:32 < TeeTylerToe> I don't think Paul Ryan would survive on unsanitary water
08:32 < Tony_Sidaway> TeeTylerToe: it was the Dutch, and the person who said that was Rick Santorum.
08:32 < TeeTylerToe> Rick wasn't the only person that said it
08:32 < Pharos> i think your chinese numbers might be off just a bit :P
08:33 < TeeTylerToe> Fox news of course gave it national exposure
08:33 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: If ryna became VP , someone will correct the abberation ;)
08:33 < TeeTylerToe> how so Pharos?
08:33 < Tony_Sidaway> I value my equanimity so I never watch Fox.
08:33 < Qcoder02> The trouble is that correction would be messy and bloddy
08:33 < Gigs-> Pharos: well it makes sense as long as there is a huge death tax
08:33 < Pharos> um, there are only 7 billion people on planet earth for one! :)
08:33 < Gigs-> Pharos: it's stupid to die and let the government take your money when you can form trusts and gifts to protect it
08:34 < Tony_Sidaway> Fox News Channel's only justification for existence is to provide feeder material for Colbert and Stewart.
08:34 < TeeTylerToe> maybe we could build an economy on the bodies of people that can't afford food, shelter, or healthcare. Like in the matrix. We could use them to solve the energy crisis.
08:34 < Qcoder02> TeeTylerToe: Soylent Green is PEOPLE !!
08:34 < TeeTylerToe> it was the most popular cable news channel
08:34 < Qcoder02> Sorry
08:34 < TeeTylerToe> energy AND food!
08:34 < Pharos> all of my middle-class cheap hoarding ancestors did their best to die destitute
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08:34 < tommorris> nah, why eat people? much easier to use them to build wikipedia.
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08:35 < TeeTylerToe> if you have two people on the brink of starvation, nature will sort out who is stroner
08:35 < Tony_Sidaway> THEN eat them.
08:35 < TeeTylerToe> who is the better at survival
08:35 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan's food policy seems a lot like the donner party
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08:35 < Pharos> but what if they're vegans?
08:35 < Gigs-> Do any of you watch Chopped on food network? This guy had a big serif W tatooed on his neck. I kept thinking "Man he's proud of editing wikipedia"
08:36 < Tony_Sidaway> Funny how nature seems to have contrived it that the animal best able to work together in groups has outdone all those big individualists, the bears and the big cats.
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08:36 < geniice> human groups don't do to well above 100. Ants on the other hand
08:36 < Pharos> yes, i love ants!
08:36 < tommorris> Tony_Sidaway: yeah, but nature is just a socialist.
08:36 < Pharos> ((ec))
08:37 < Pharos> God is a socialist, really
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08:37 < Pharos> someone needs to fix that
08:38 < TeeTylerToe> there was a story a few months back that the best executives are sociopaths, or pathological in someother way
08:38 < Pharos> i kind of doubt that
08:39 < Pharos> we have emotions for a reason, they are useful
08:39 < TeeTylerToe> well that jesus guy was all, the rich never make it to heaven, and give your food and clothes to the poor
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08:40 < tommorris> TeeTylerToe: lies. Jesus wants you to be rich. Unless you are a homosexual abortionist.
08:41 < TeeTylerToe> Well the poor aren't going to get those megachurches built
08:42 < Pharos> yes they are!
08:42 < Pharos> where do you think the $ comes from?
08:42 < Pharos> poor churchgoers are an excellent revenue source!
08:43 < mareklug> Pharos: did you see repo man?
08:43 < Pharos> sadly, no
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08:43 < TeeTylerToe> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=psychopath+ceo
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08:43 < mareklug> too bad, the parents of Otto in the film gave all they money to tv evangelist
08:44 < Soapy> I had a dream that Wikipedia had been re-designed as a video game based on Secret of Mana
08:45 < Pharos> it's not such an unusual thing, poor people can very generous, and that is easy to take advantage of
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08:46 < Tony_Sidaway> It's pretty well known that relatively poor people tend to be more generous with what little they possess.
08:46 < Soapy> really?
08:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Soapy: I'll look it up for you.
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08:47 < TeeTylerToe> For someone living paycheck to paycheck, a $20 donation is basically 100% of their disposable income. To bill gates, he's donated billions to charity, and it's not even 50% yet
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08:47 < Soapy> I dont know if I count as poor. I could probably count as "relatively" poor relative to a bunch of reporters and people doing studies on people. And Im never generous with money
08:47 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/05/19/68456/americas-poor-are-its-most-generous.html
08:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> So.... who is Paul Ryan?
08:48 < TeeTylerToe> And not a lot of billionaires donate a billion dollars to charity
08:48 < Soapy> ah yes
08:48 < TeeTylerToe> Paul Ryan is a character in Atlas Shrugged
08:48 < Pharos> well, everyone knoiws you're stingy!
08:48 < Soapy> theyre talking about the absolute poor
08:48 < Soapy> not "poor" as in making $10000 a year
08:48 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/05/19/68456/americas-poor-are-its-most-generous.html
08:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Sorry wrong link (a repetition)
08:49 < Soapy> actually they are
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08:49 < Soapy> oh well. I pretty much never donate to anything, and my excuse is Im in debt so that;s just going to put me more in debt
08:49 < Tony_Sidaway> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hidden-motives/201008/why-are-the-poor-more-generous
08:49 < Soapy> if I ever do get rich I absolutely promise I will donate everything to some sort of charity before I die
08:50 < TeeTylerToe> it's surprising how hard it is to find a good charity
08:50 < Pharos> Wikimedia NYC, perhaps? ;)
08:50 < TeeTylerToe> well, Romney thinks the rich are a good charity
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08:51 < Pharos> well, at least they're not going to spend it all in one place
08:51 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: local food banks usually have very small overheads
08:51 < Tony_Sidaway> This researcher says it seems to be empathy. If you ask a poor person to imagine they're rich, their responses adapt and become less empathic towards poor people like themselves. And vice versa if rich people are asked to imagine themselves poor.
08:52 < TeeTylerToe> with corporations hoarding money, like trillions of dollars, it's pretty obvious that they're not waiting for a tax cut to start hiring
08:52 < Soapy> maybe the real divide is just Republicans vs Democrats
08:52 < Soapy> or at least conservatives vs liberals
08:52 < Pharos> if i had a lot of $ to donate, I wouldn't give it to foodbanks
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08:52 < Soapy> that said, there was a study that showed that conservatives donate more
08:52 < TeeTylerToe> If their argument is that small businesses hire the most people, why not reduce the tax breaks to big businesses?
08:53 < TeeTylerToe> lower the overall corporate tax rate by removing tax breaks for big business. Maybe even add new tax breaks for big businesses hiring new workers
08:53 < Soapy> and that studys conclusion was that liberals are less likely to donate to religious organizations, and most charities are religious. It wouldnt catch things like people giving a dollar to a homeless man outside McDonalds
08:53 < Tony_Sidaway> It's difficult to tell because a lot of "giving" is actually just giving money to some religious shyster.
08:53 < TeeTylerToe> How much of a tithe goes to charity? To things like church shelters or food drives?
08:54 < Pharos> giving a dollar to a homeless guy is not a teribly productive method of charity
08:54 < TeeTylerToe> neither is giving a dollar in the form of a tithe
08:54 < Pharos> no, of course not
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08:54 < TeeTylerToe> Somehow I'm betting a huge percent of america's "charity" is tithes
08:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Give a man a dollar, he'll be rich for a day. Teach a man to pick pockets, he'll soon have a nice warm home with regular meals and a friend named Bubba.
08:54 < Pharos> i doubt that
08:55 < Pharos> tithing is obsolete
08:55 < Daley> Going back to bed.
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08:55 < Soapy> Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
08:55 < Qcoder02> Tony_Sidaway: Well the US can spend dollars on fixing social problems of hundereds of dollars on yet more prisons
08:56 < Tony_Sidaway> I've aired my views on the problems of the US justice system here in the past. I agree that the prison system is soaking up an obscene amount of money and of people who really should not be imprisoned.
08:56 < Pharos> soapy: it is likely that church donations account for a the differnce
08:57 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/world-giving-index-us-ran_n_1159562.html#s558786&title=10_Laos interstingly, Laos is 10th in charitable giving. US is 1st.
08:57 < Pharos> Tony: Are you aware of the prison issues in NY State?
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08:58 < Pharos> the *problem* is, crime has been in decline for 20 years
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08:58 < Soapy> ha. even HuffPo says America is #1. Take THAT, rest of the world
08:58 < Pharos> so far far upstate where all the prisons are, ppl are getting restless
08:59 < wctaiwan> Soapy: in terms of asshattery?
08:59 * wctaiwan runs
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08:59 < Pharos> and the prisoners count as part of their population, so they have political clout
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08:59 < Pharos> their number one priority is to keep prisons open and full!
08:59 < Pharos> which is not so positive for the rest of us
09:00 < Pharos> (prisons are the only business up there)
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09:00 < Soapy> mm
09:01 < Soapy> there's towns like that around here
09:01 < Soapy> I think it's basically safe to live there, but I'm too paranoid to accept that
09:01 < Pharos> oh, it's totally safe, just not economically viable
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09:01 < Pharos> far upstate ny is poorer than the deep south
09:02 < Pharos> this is the only business they have
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09:02 < Soapy> oh wow I just remembered I dreamt I was in a movie too
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09:03 < Soapy> although just as a very minor character. "the blonde kid" that never spoke in the film
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09:03 < wctaiwan> sounds like slenderman.
09:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: the problem isn't crime. It's the waste of money and human resources. People in prison are having their lives ruined.
09:03 < Soapy> and that dream was somehow part of the same dream as the Wikipedia thing
09:05 < Pharos> yes, of course, tony
09:05 < Pharos> it's just in this case there is a particularly perverse political incentive to keep these prisons plentiful and full
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09:08 < Tony_Sidaway> How can they call it land of the free? It's the country with the highest officially recorded incarceration rate in the world.
09:08 < Pharos> it's still free in some ways!
09:09 < Tony_Sidaway> And I refuse to believe it's got a more criminally inclined population.
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09:09 < Pharos> i still think we have the best freedom of expression overall
09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Possibly. You can say what you like but woe betide you if your boss disagrees.
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09:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Or if you're gay in many states.
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09:11 < Tony_Sidaway> Self-expression can result in loss of earnings, which makes a mockery of freedom.
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09:11 < mareklug> in general, you still have a better chance of due process and generally being oft to do as you please in the USA then say Russia or China or even Brazil
09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway well
09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Well yes, if you compare your country to repressive regimes...
09:12 < Soapy> hi pen
09:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people are free to discriminate maybe
09:12 < Pharos> i think we have better freedom of expression than western europe on most counts
09:12 < Pharos> at least where i live ;)
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09:12 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: and I agree. Just that there are some quite glaring inequities.
09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos I may agree with that however there is a matter of auto censoring in the US
09:13 < mareklug> you certainly can insult frier in the states than in Europe
09:13 < TeeTylerToe> uhh, political speech isn't exactly welcomed
09:13 < TeeTylerToe> see "free speech" cages
09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have seen many cases of public (media) lynching people in the US
09:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> over their opinions
09:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> For instance the most recent Chic Fila nonsense
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09:14 < TeeTylerToe> I'd like to take a pitchfork and torch to some members of the media
09:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe they would probably use them as decor
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09:15 < TeeTylerToe> nah, they'd probably using a falafel on an intern in a way that definitely constitutes sexual harassment
09:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Europe has institutionalised racism, while most people enjoy civil liberties that isnt equaly distributed
09:15 < TeeTylerToe> the US is trying to instutionalize racism, outlawing mosques and stuff
09:16 < TeeTylerToe> trying to instate christian law while at the same time railing against shariah law
09:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> That is outlawed in some parts of Europe more or less
09:16 < TeeTylerToe> I'm pretty sure there are mosques in most of western europe
09:16 < jubo2> Cheezy meat doughnut!
09:16 < mareklug> the swiss law prohibits now minaret construction
09:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure but in switzerland and austria thats not really welcome
09:16 < Tony_Sidaway> Europe is rather heterogeneous, so it's hard to make blanket statements.
09:17 < Soapy> come on now
09:17 < Soapy> lets be real
09:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway EU regulation enforces it homogeniously though
09:17 < Soapy> the USA isnt going to outlaw mosques, ever
09:17 < TeeTylerToe> Austria? I'd heard about some extremism in switzerland
09:17 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: not really. FOr instance you mention Switzerland, which isn't even a member of the EU.
09:18 < Soapy> even if a state has 0.0001% Muslims theyre not going to be denied the right to build a mosque
09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe the two border each other
09:18 < TeeTylerToe> but in switzerland it was about building... those kinds of towers
09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Austria too is outside the EU I believe.
09:18 < TeeTylerToe> yes, but switzerland is tiny
09:18 < mareklug> and in the USA you have recourse to courts if someone hassles you over a mosque
09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway sure it isnt but they follow EU regulations
09:18 < TeeTylerToe> parapets?
09:18 < Soapy> austria is in the EU
09:18 < Soapy> minarets
09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Austria is an EU member, not a NATO member
09:18 < TeeTylerToe> that's it
09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: which EU regulation compels them to forbid minarets?
09:18 < TeeTylerToe> anti-minaret legislation isn't exactly anti-mosque legislation
09:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway minarets are symbolic
09:18 < TeeTylerToe> though I'm in favor of neither
09:18 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: but which EU law?
09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> none
09:19 < TeeTylerToe> actually if a church costs more than a few hundred K it kinda pisses me off
09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Besides a minaret is not a mosque. Are mosques forbidden? Are Muezzins?
09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are many regulations in the EU specifically designed to make the life of non Europeans miserable.
09:19 < Soapy> lol
09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: interesting. COuld you name one?
09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can name many
09:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Just one will do.
09:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> For instance consider the visa regulations
09:20 < TeeTylerToe> the US isn't exactly friendly to immigrants and aliens
09:20 < Pharos> i think we're more mosque-friendly than Europe
09:20 < TeeTylerToe> for instance Arizona
09:20 < Soapy> rule number 34187 to make non-Europeans less happy: "if a black man gets a well paying job remind him his relatives are starving in the desert"
09:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> My treatment in the US was greatly superior to that of Europe
09:20 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o
09:20 < TeeTylerToe> is that the love actually deleted scene law?
09:20 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: "Minarets provide a visual focal point and are used for the call to prayer (adhan)." <-- seems like a move to suppress Muezzins
09:20 < Soapy> rule number 34188 "every Chinese restauarant must have a sign out front reminding people that in China itself they still eat cats"
09:20 < Pharos> oh no, someone said something nice about America!
09:21 < TeeTylerToe> everybody says how friendly americans are when they visit... WTF
09:21 < TeeTylerToe> who are these friendly americans?
09:21 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: not all mosques have a minaret. It's an architectural issue, not a religious one.
09:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_in_the_European_Union#Visa_requirements_for_the_Schengen_Area.2C_Bulgaria.2C_Cyprus_and_Romania
09:21 < TeeTylerToe> although there's no particularly compelling reason to outlaw minarets
09:21 < Pharos> all the friendly americans are in NYC ;)
09:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway Minarets are like bell towers in churches
09:22 < TeeTylerToe> A lot of the pickpockets are surprisingly friendly
09:22 < TeeTylerToe> and the drug dealers... with new customers
09:22 < Pharos> banning minarets is meshuga
09:22 < Soapy> Russia's on the naughty list, I see
09:22 < TeeTylerToe> and that VW bug killer was friendly to the women he killed
09:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy for good reason
09:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but consider which countries are green
09:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not sure what I'n supposed to find so bad about the Schengen Agreement.
09:23 < Soapy> Americans can visit Europe whenever they want, but not Russians !!!
09:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I do agree that tall minarets arent needed in this day and age of speakers BUT passing a law to ban them is ridiclous
09:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway then you arent looking at it right
09:23 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't agree with the law, but I don't see that it's so onerous.
09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway well think about the group of people who think christians want to convert them all one way or a nother
09:24 < Pharos> i wamt more minarets
09:24 < TeeTylerToe> it may be a practical thing. You can profile countries for people that will "visit" with the intention of staying permanently
09:24 < Soapy> heh
09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe mexico is green, come on
09:24 < Tony_Sidaway> SOme of my local mosques have minarets, some do not, It tends to depend on the size of the mosque.
09:24 < TeeTylerToe> and americans are way to anti-european to stay there illegally
09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway sure
09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe actually I disagree
09:24 < Soapy> too many T's talking. I get you all mixed up
09:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there was an elderly woman in the same line as I
09:25 * Soapy adds new highlight rule
09:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> she was trying to get a longer stay
09:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a US citizen mind you
09:25 < TeeTylerToe> I'm saying statistically there are probably countries that have a high percent of people that overstay their visas
09:25 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm still wondering what the problem with the Schengen Agreement is. Aren't countries allowed to have special visa arrangements to ease travel?
09:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway the issue isnt that
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09:26 < mareklug> Tony_Sidaway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minaret_controversy_in_Switzerland <--- plenty of arguments going well beyond "just architecture"
09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> Well what is it then?
09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: not the EU.
09:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> All og africa and asia more or less is red
09:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *of
09:26 < Tony_Sidaway> And definitely not an EU-wide law.
09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway I dont know how to express this to you differently
09:27 < Tony_Sidaway> It's like saying "America has mounties" and then showing a picture of a RCMP on his horse.
09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Since the day I stepped in Europe I have been made to feel uncomfortable being here. Not by people living here but by the burocracy
09:27 < Soapy> ToAruShiroiNeko: come to America!
09:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> unless you suffer that, you cannot understand it.
09:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Soapy sure, once I graduate probably
09:28 < Soapy> also: America has mounties! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RCMP_officer_on_a_horse.JPG
09:28 * jubo2 bets 10 bucks they ain't in red clothes
09:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> In the US I will need a kevlar vest probably though
09:28 < jubo2> *clicks*
09:29 < Soapy> that picture is exactly what we see on the streets every day here in America
09:29 < mareklug> jubo2: you just lost 10 bucks
09:29 < jubo2> looks like it yes mareklug
09:29 < Soapy> oh come on now, ToAruShiroiNeko, youre as bad as me. Crime isnt *that* bad
09:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no
09:29 < Soapy> there hasnt been a murder in my hometown for several months !!
09:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but if I go to the US I will work on campus
09:29 < Pharos> ToAruShiroiNeko: our mounties will protect you!
09:30 < mareklug> Soapy: how many ppl is your hometown?
09:30 < Tony_Sidaway> For those who don't want to click, Soapy's picture shows a female RCMP officer at the Calgary Stampede (!)
09:30 < Soapy> 20000
09:30 < Pharos> you're less likely to be pickpocketed here!
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09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have 100 pickpocket perk in Skyrim, I dont worry about that
09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can reverse pickpocket them a bomb probably
09:31 < TeeTylerToe> Libya - Then Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi cited the minaret ban as grounds for his call for a Jihad against Switzerland in a speech held in Benghazi on the occasion of Mawlid, four months after the vote. Gaddafi also called on Muslims around the world to boycott Switzerland, and stated that "any Muslim in any part of the world that works with Switzerland is an apostate, is against
09:31 < TeeTylerToe> Muhammad, Allah, and the Koran"
09:31 < TeeTylerToe> >.<
09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm
09:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe thats not a reliable source
09:31 < Pharos> i don';t think gaddafi counts...
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09:32 < Pharos> his religion was also gaddafism, anyway
09:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> swiss do not like foreigners which is fine, then they should reurn to their policy of isolation and not host international organizations and hardware (like CERN)
09:33 < Pharos> send CERN to the US-Canada border!
09:33 < Pharos> we'll protect it with mounties!
09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Likewise in Belgium. The disrespect towards diplomats is amazing.
09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos that will not work
09:33 < jubo2> Pharos: hold on I'ma get my shovel
09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Canada isn't shielded
09:33 < TeeTylerToe> the mounties actually have a pretty bad reputation
09:33 < TeeTylerToe> racism for one
09:33 < TeeTylerToe> watergate stuff for another
09:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe that is hillarious
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09:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so the guy on the horse is racist towards the guy not on a horse?
09:34 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: they're not part of the EU. And the Schengen Agreement is an agreement that confers special status on certain non-EU countries.
09:34 < TeeTylerToe> well maybe the guy on the horse has a guy on a horse complex
09:35 < TeeTylerToe> plus the outfit can't help
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09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway in other words a convenient tool to discriminate everyone else
09:35 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh dearie me!
09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not saying everyone must have a free pass to europe
09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but regulations are irrational
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09:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I had to prove I did not have any social security aid for example
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09:36 < Pharos> centaur-supremacism!
09:36 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not going to defend the right of countries to enter into agreements and treaties with one another. You're just being silly.
09:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I had to go department after another for irrelevant paper work
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09:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> while I am going through this shit, someone from Malasia can waltz through it
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09:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it is worse for the UK mind you
09:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Malaysia isn't part of the Schengen Area. Now you're not making any sense at all.
09:37 < TeeTylerToe> but people can walk from one EU country to another without even a passport!
09:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe sure, not me though
09:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I was prohibited from leaving Belgium for 6 months
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09:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Are you an EU citizen? Only citizens can move without passports.
09:38 < TeeTylerToe> wouldn't you need a passport to prove citizenship?
09:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> No I am not. And actually non-eu citizens can move around without passport if they have an ID card from an EU country
09:39 < mareklug> on leaving UK for Europe don't you have to show an ID?
09:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but that had taken belgians 6 months to get me
09:39 < Tony_Sidaway> When I have visited the US, it's so tempting to go over the border to Tijuana or Toronto, but I can't do that either. This is how visas work everywhere.
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09:39 < Tony_Sidaway> mareklug: yes those countries that waive passports have identity card agreements. The UK has no identity cards.
09:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway like I said, you cannot see discrimination/racism unless you live through it
09:40 < TeeTylerToe> like when you can't cross the border to canada or mexico?
09:40 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: but according to you I *have* lived through it. I couldn't go to Tijuana.
09:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so you were confined to a US state for 6 months?
09:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Mexico is just a trolley stop away when you're in Southern California, but I had to get off.
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09:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> was yur long term visa renewed 2 months at a time
09:41 < TeeTylerToe> iirc I had to show my drivers license to get a train ticket from one state to another in the US
09:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> each taking over a month to process so you end up having only 1 month free travel?
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09:41 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: the US has a single national policy so entry to the US gives (usually) free travel everywhere in the US. The EU is a collection of nation states.
09:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway sure
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09:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and EU regulaiton is designed to make the life of people like me miserable
09:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Not really. It's designed to make life for EU citizens _easy_. Before the EU, everybody had to go through that.
09:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It should be EU citizens and residents
09:43 < Tony_Sidaway> Now you can live in Belgium, work in the Netherlands, and spend the weekends in Germany.
09:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I study in the Netherlands which is not a reason enough for me to get residency there since I live in Belgium.
09:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> But I cannot get a residency permit in Belgium since I do not study there.
09:44 < Tony_Sidaway> So you _are_ allowed to move around the EU as a resident?
09:44 < Tony_Sidaway> A Belgium resident, I mean.
09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Yes and no
09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> If Belgium takes 6 monhts to grant a 1 year permit, thats a 50% no.
09:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mind you this was renewing
09:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know of a friend with a diplomatic passport whom was granted a residency permit 2 months at a time
09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and only if she was registered to some class
09:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, Austria joined EU in 1995. I didn't notice.
09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway its hard to notice Austria
09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they dont do much besides create noise.
09:46 < Pharos> who let the austrians in?
09:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Pharos Germans
09:46 < mareklug> yeah, they did not even medal at the olympics
09:46 < Tony_Sidaway> Nobody mention cuckoo clocks.
09:47 < Tony_Sidaway> To be fair, I bet Austria does quite well at the Winter Olympics.
09:48 < mareklug> when they don't blood dope and throw the evidence out the window?
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09:48 < Frood> um
09:48 < Frood> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frood&diff=next&oldid=507366812
09:49 < Europe> frood: you got a secret admirer, I see
09:49 < Europe> on the other hand
09:49 < Europe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/182.178.59.115
09:49 < Europe> they seem to admire quite a few of us
09:49 < Frood> i feel like {{uw-protect}} would almost be appropriate there...
09:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway they are snow lubbers
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09:49 < Frood> nah
09:50 < Frood> he tried to get people to skype with him so he could show off his dick
09:50 < Tony_Sidaway> I hope somebody redirected him to Commons ;(
09:50 < Tony_Sidaway> ;)
09:50 < Europe> with no pref3erences as to whether his chatting partner is male or female, apparerntly
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09:50 < Europe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PakistaniLover15
09:50 < Europe> no edits
09:50 < Apheori> Anyone want a large dead mouldy palm tree?
09:51 < Europe> was he on a different account name?
09:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori ebay
09:51 < Frood> Apheori: It's dead now!?
09:51 < Pharos> do you have free shipping?
09:51 < Apheori> Frood: It all died.
09:51 < Frood> :(
09:52 < Apheori> Pharos: Only tree shipping.
09:52 < Europe> palm trees are a sign of wealth around here
09:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Samsung: Apple Stole the iPad's Design From Univ of Missouri Professor
09:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/08/15/1642221/samsung-apple-stole-the-ipads-design-from-univ-of-missouri-professor
09:52 < Europe> "look that guy's so rich he can get a palm tree to survive in -30C weather"
09:52 < Apheori> I have other palm trees. This was just my enormous huge one.
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09:52 < Pharos> how many?
09:52 < Apheori> I think the water killed it.
09:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Apple Stole the iPad Design from Arthur C Clarke.
09:52 < Frood> Fluffernutter: <3
09:52 < Frood> You're my second favorite admin now.
09:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Or Kubrick. Or both.
09:52 < Apheori> Five pots of them in this room...
09:53 < Apheori> Granted this is the holding room where everything gets stashed.
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09:53 < Europe> I love that story
09:53 < Apheori> Frood: Is your favourite Courcelles by any chance?
09:53 < Pharos> why are you stockpiling palm trees?
09:53 < Europe> Samsung doesnt care if its own tablets are violating patents, as long as Apple goes down with them
09:54 < Europe> "Yeah so what if we stole from Apple, Apple started it !!!"
09:54 < Apheori> Pfft, it's nothing to the number of begonias I have.
09:54 < Pharos> ok, then why are you stocklpiling begonias?
09:54 < Europe> lol. theere's an iPad application that shows where registered Democrats live, and their name and age
09:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Patents on minor design elements like this are trivial and abusive. The courts should come down like a tonne of bricks on this kind of abusive patent trolling.
09:55 < Apheori> I'm not. They just keep needing to be pruned and I can't help but make new begonias out of the prunings!\
09:55 < Pharos> you are addicted
09:55 < Europe> ans it's only for the iPhone
09:55 < Pharos> face the facts
09:55 < Apheori> Yes.
09:55 < Europe> *iPad
09:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway Pattent trolling sounded like something out of WP:ANI
09:55 < Apheori> Plants are less emotionally damaging than wikis, however.
09:56 < Pharos> begonias should be a class IV controled substance
09:56 < Apheori> And spider plants?
09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori I dont know
09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> PLants can depress more than people
09:56 < mareklug> Europe: what exactly is a refistered Democrat? in Illinois you can choose to walk in and vote at wither the democratic primary or republican, and is that what registers you?
09:56 < Europe> yeah
09:56 < Tony_Sidaway> My wife went away for ten days recently, and rather than ask me and our son to water plants she stuck these weird glass bulbs on stalks into the pots.
09:56 < Apheori> And philodendrons and snake plants?
09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am still trying to make my garden to talk back to me :/
09:56 < Tony_Sidaway> It worked very well.
09:56 < Pharos> in most states you can't do that
09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway are you sure she isnt an alien with future tech?
09:57 < Europe> getting the names & addresses of Democrats is only, like, 1% of the application's power
09:57 < Pharos> you pick a party when you first register to vote
09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you may be her experiment subjects
09:57 < Europe> but it's the part that's getting people annoyed
09:57 < Tony_Sidaway> ToAruShiroiNeko: well it did look suspiciously like something from Space 1999.
09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> O_O
09:57 * ToAruShiroiNeko hides under a pillow
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09:58 < Frood> Apheori: Foxj is my favorite.
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09:58 < Tony_Sidaway> How many countries have an official party system like the US? I ask because I'm only familiar with the UK system where we don't register any affiliation.
09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Tony_Sidaway what do you mean?
09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> US system is hardly simple
09:59 < Pharos> i don't know, but i think US is fsirly unusual
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09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> very few people register to political parties in the US %-wise
09:59 < mareklug> in a general election you can vote on any party and even write in mickey mouse
09:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 50% dont even bother to vote
09:59 < Europe> china has a political party system
10:00 < Pharos> in the US, about 2/3 of voters are members of political parties
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug mickey mouse should have been romney's running mate
10:00 < Tony_Sidaway> To identify likely voters in the UK we have to ask--knocking on doors and asking "will you vote for our candidate?" Then on election day we check if they've voted and, if they're willing, give them a car lift tot he polling station.
10:00 < Pharos> that
10:00 < Pharos> that's way more than UK
10:00 < Europe> Romney is a joke
10:00 < Apheori> Frood: He's certainly cute.
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney is a cartoon character
10:00 < Pharos> Romney can't even tell a joke
10:00 < Frood> he blocked an entire sockfarm a couple weeks ago for me
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It is only fair he gets a running mate which is also a cartoon character
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10:01 < Apheori> And he's cute!
10:01 < Apheori> Massively cute.
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10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney is cute?
10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no way
10:01 < Apheori> No, Foxj.
10:01 < mareklug> how did Rafalca do?
10:01 < Pharos> what about Paul Ryan?
10:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Pharos: yes, party affiliation in the UK mostly means making a membership donation to your local party. Only real political mavins bother.
10:01 < Apheori> Probably the cutest admin we have, including the ladies.
10:02 < TeeTylerToe> rafalca didn't do well
10:02 < Frood> Apheori: you should date fox.
10:02 < Europe> i remember fox welcomed me back in 2007
10:02 * Apheori kidnaps Frood.
10:02 < TeeTylerToe> I thought fox didn't like europe
10:02 < Frood> Apheori: why
10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fox doesnt like socialism
10:03 < Pharos> he likes scitland!
10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> But they act in a socialist manner
10:03 < Tony_Sidaway> Rafalca is, I suspect, more by way of a tax write-off than a serious attempt at dominating equestrianism in the Olympics.
10:03 < Frood> Pharos: scitland?
10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> think about the tea party movement, pure unpaid socialism
10:03 < TeeTylerToe> why does a 4,000 ton coast guard cutter designed to patrol oil tankers, container ships, and cruise ships need to go 28 knots?
10:03 < Pharos> it's like scotland, only more so
10:03 < Frood> that sounds like a lame porno title
10:03 < Europe> oh rigfht Im still using the name Europe
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10:04 < Soapy> that was meant to be a one-off joke that I didnt even use
10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TeeTylerToe because they do knot know any better
10:04 < TeeTylerToe> or maybe Romney's wife likes horses
10:04 < Apheori> Frood: To silence you!
10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Romney is a horse
10:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he should submit his not-horse certificate
10:04 < TeeTylerToe> the long form
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10:05 < Soapy> i love http://what-if.xkcd.com/
10:06 < Soapy> if xkcd the comic strip ever ends, i hope he continues the what-if's page
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10:10 < Soapy> DDSDSDS
10:10 < Soapy> HELP
10:10 < Soapy> KEYBOARD STUCK"
10:10 < Soapy> KI:LN:LKNLL<K<L
10:10 < Soapy> THIS HAPPENS TO ME A LOT
10:11 < Soapy> HOW DO IF IXX!!!
10:11 < Soapy> wait, got caps lock turned off
10:11 < Soapy> ok that was weird
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10:11 < Soapy> some "other" caps lock got stuck on somehow
10:12 < Soapy> such that pressing "regular" caps lock on and off had no effect
10:12 < Soapy> but then I pushed a bunch of other buttons and it returned to normal
10:12 < Soapy> maybe there's a virus that does nothing besides force you to type in capitals
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10:14 < mareklug> it probably also registers you as a Republican
10:14 < Soapy> ok
10:14 * Soapy gets out a whip
10:14 * Soapy starts whacking away at thineantiquepen
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10:15 < Tony_Sidaway> "there are probably around a million tons of pet dog in the US alone"
10:16 < Soapy> yeah I noticed that
10:16 < Soapy> i thought it was a typo, but I think xkcd's just using a weird type of grammar
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10:17 < Soapy> basically any noun can be a measure term, which has no plural
10:17 < Soapy> though there are a few typos in xkcd
10:17 < Soapy> it always surprises me
10:17 < Tony_Sidaway> Well he's talking about the payload, so he concentrates on the mass rather than the number of pet dogs and their names.
10:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Of course, if we used the pet dog as reaction mass...
10:18 < Soapy> yeah
10:18 < Tony_Sidaway> Dog-powered spacecraft!
10:18 < mareklug> but there is a subject/verb disagreement: there are…. a million
10:18 < Soapy> "tons" is the subject
10:18 < Soapy> its just like saying "there were 1000 girls at the beach"
10:18 < mareklug> no, Tony
10:19 < mareklug> a million tons
10:19 < Tony_Sidaway> There are around a million tonnes of cute girl at the beach.
10:19 < mareklug> is
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10:19 < mareklug> ask a teacher
10:20 < Tony_Sidaway> English grammar isn't equally distributed over the surface of the earth.
10:20 < Soapy> oh come on
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10:20 < Soapy> surely we can all agree the "a million tons" is plural no matter where we live or how we spell ton(ne)s
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10:20 < mareklug> i bet British and American grammar dovetail on the subject of verb/subject agreement
10:21 < mareklug> no Soapy . it happens to be singular
10:21 < Soapy> arent you from Poland?
10:21 < Soapy> they teach a super-hyper correct English there that isnt what anyone reallt uses
10:21 < mareklug> I went to Senn high school in Chicago
10:21 < Soapy> aw
10:21 < Soapy> ok sorry
10:22 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not clear what you're arguing about.
10:22 < Soapy> but surely "a million " + anything is singular
10:22 < Tony_Sidaway> But the grammar of that xkcd piece isn't egregiously bad.
10:22 < Soapy> er
10:22 < mareklug> there is a million… not there are a million. that's all.
10:22 < Soapy> PLURAL
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10:22 < Soapy> if you argue for singular youre basically saying there's an omitted measure term. Like "a million strong crowd of people" insytead of just "
10:22 < Soapy> a million people"
10:23 < Tony_Sidaway> I still don't know what you're trying to say.
10:23 < Apheori> 'million' is one thing containing a million, but the million things ain't even remotely singular.
10:23 < Soapy> so is 999,999 plural?
10:23 < Apheori> Million is just a grouping.
10:23 < Soapy> but 1,000,000 is singular?
10:23 < Apheori> You can have a grouping of 999999.
10:23 < Apheori> It's a grouping.
10:23 < Apheori> That's all.
10:23 < Soapy> i think I understand what Marek is saying, just disagree
10:23 < Tony_Sidaway> It doesn't matter. You can argue about this forever, but grammar is not obliged to follow the rules of number.
10:23 < mareklug> Apheori: grammatically, any construct starting with "a" or "an" is singular
10:24 < Apheori> Yes, it's the CONSTRUCT.
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10:24 < Apheori> The construct is still referring to a bloody plurality.
10:24 < Soapy> well in the English I speak even "a dozen" is plural
10:24 < mareklug> so it takes "is"
10:24 < Tony_Sidaway> Is it Marek Lug or Mare Klug?
10:24 < Soapy> "there are a dozen swimming pools"
10:24 < Soapy> not *"there is a dozen swimming pools"
10:24 < mareklug> do a whois Tony
10:24 < Apheori> Ooo, I missed that. Soapy, you're right.
10:25 < Apheori> I mean, I thought you were right before, but this is more right.
10:25 < Soapy> I *guess* you could say "There's a dozen swimming pools", and I've probably used that form in my own speech, but I'd consider that informal and technically wrong
10:25 < mareklug> Soapy : there is a dozen *of* swimming pools.
10:25 < Tony_Sidaway> There is a tonne of peas. There are a tonne of peas. I don't care which you use to be honest.
10:26 < Apheori> mareklug: You can do that, but then you're not referring to the pools but the dozen.
10:26 < mareklug> there are dozens of swimming pools. you may be confusing the two
10:26 < Apheori> And a tonne is a defined unit.
10:26 < Apheori> You're still referring to the dozens and not the pools.
10:26 < Tony_Sidaway> There are soon to be many tonnes of words spilled over this subject.
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10:27 < Apheori> Anyone want a dead fern?
10:27 < Frood> Anyone want a dead baby?
10:28 < Apheori> While I'm sure that would make good fertiliser too, those raise too many suspicions.
10:28 < Soapy> i still haevnt posted my wikipedia dream online
10:28 < Fluffernutter> was it dirty, Soapy?
10:28 < Soapy> nope
10:28 < Apheori> You have a dream?
10:28 < Soapy> actually Wikipedia was just a tiny part of the dream
10:28 < Soapy> Itd probably not be very interesting
10:29 < Soapy> but basically Wikipedia had put out a video game that turned every Wikipedia article into a screen in an RPG game similar to Secret of Mana
10:29 < Soapy> I dont really know *how* it worked
10:29 < Soapy> if I hadnt woken up maybe I'd have learned more
10:29 < Soapy> I think it's the sort of thing I'd be better off thinking about while awake anyway
10:30 < Soapy> but the dream was mostly about me remembering that I'd been in a movie as a kid
10:30 < Tony_Sidaway> Dreams are great for that kind of thing. Stuff that either makes sense at the time, or seems just beyond the cusp of understanding and if only you stay dreaming longer, you feel, you'll learn more.
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10:31 < Tony_Sidaway> The worst dreams for me are the one that mimic real life. Weeks later I'll realise that a conversation I remember actually took place in a dream. Quite embarrassing sometimes.
10:31 < Soapy> yeah
10:31 < Soapy> that has happened occassionall to me
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10:34 < Fluffernutter> http://www.food.com/recipe/ice-cubes-420398/review <---haha
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10:34 < Apheori> I sometimes remember things, but I have no proof as to whether or not they happened and so usually assume they don't.
10:34 < Apheori> didn't.
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10:37 < Pharos> it never happened
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10:38 < Peter-C> Our Corps will always be killing people. Even in peace time, I’ll find someone for our boys to kill out there. Yeah, I’m talking to you Iran - General James Mattis
10:38 < greenrosetta> is it possible to have superscript and subscrpt combined to so two elements are vertically stacked? eg, <sup>a</sup><sub>b</sub> would give "a over b" with no space?
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10:42 < Pharos> WLM-US meeting in 15 minutes in #wikimedia-us
10:43 < Peter-C> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diglett#Diglett <3
10:45 < Fluffernutter> ...did you really just link to a pokemon list
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10:46 < Soapy> thats pretty funny
10:46 < Soapy> ythe ice cube thing
10:46 < Soapy> there must be at least some people that dont know how to make ice
10:47 < Soapy> they go to their local gas station to buy it
10:47 < Soapy> "where does the ice come from???"
10:47 < Soapy> "oh we just ship it in from Canada"
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11:10 < Apheori> Why do people like their ANI so much?
11:10 < Frood> attention whores
11:11 < RD> We'll never really understand why.
11:11 < Fluffernutter> why not? everybody loves animated cursors! ([[ANI (file format)]])
11:11 < Apheori> That seems backwards.
11:12 < Fluffernutter> also, because people are entertained by drama
11:12 < Apheori> Why would you need a specific format just for that?
11:12 < Fluffernutter> microsoft, dear
11:12 < Apheori> I don't get it.
11:12 < Frood> there should only be three image types
11:13 < Frood> svg, png, and jpg
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11:13 < Frood> earwig disagrees
11:13 < Fluffernutter> and a partridge in a pear tree
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11:14 < Apheori> Gif has its uses as well.
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11:15 < Apheori> And those are just the common ones.
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11:15 < Apheori> You also have bitmaps that support text, bitmaps going in different directions, layered bitmaps...
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11:17 < Frood> Apheori: is gif much different than png, really?
11:17 < Frood> both are animated, both are lossless
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11:22 < Soapy> true PNG is not animated, MNG is
11:22 < Soapy> iirc
11:23 < Soapy> i actually agree GIF is basically obsolete now, apart from sometimes it has a tiny advantage of PNG in file size
11:23 < Frood> apng is
11:23 < Frood> and only Firefox supports it
11:23 < Soapy> good for uploading avatars to web forums that max out at 6KB
11:23 < Frood> but.
11:23 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm_format
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11:28 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Negative
11:28 < mareklug> just to name two that are not reducible yo sag, png and jpeg
11:28 < mareklug> svg
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11:36 * IShadowed is hungry
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11:36 < IShadowed> better
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11:39 < TeeTylerToe> I'm always surprised by how big png files are
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11:42 < Apheori> Frood: Gif uses a different form of compression than png.
11:42 < Apheori> That's all.
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11:47 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: beta sent out to mobile-l :)
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11:47 < ragesoss> I'm not on mobile-l, but I'll look it up.
11:49 < Jarry1250> ragesoss: I believe the link is https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WPSignpost-1.0beta1.apk
11:49 < ragesoss> got it
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11:49 < ragesoss> yay, no error message!
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11:50 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: :D
11:50 < PissedPanda> but they turn up when you need them!
11:50 * Peter-C eats ragesoss’ kids and runs
11:51 < ragesoss> okay, now issues!
11:51 < ragesoss> first off, on my phone a lot of the thumbnails are fuzzy.
11:51 < ragesoss> like scaled-up too-small thumbs.
11:52 < ragesoss> also, I don't like the ALL CAPS of the article titles when viewing an individual article.
11:52 < ragesoss> it'd also be nice to have a progress indicator while the app is trying to fetch the thumbnails.
11:53 < ragesoss> but this is a really fantastic app, overall, PissedPanda!
11:53 < ragesoss> I'm totally never reading the signpost on-wiki again.
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11:54 < Soapy> I had trouble getting Vector to work on the main Browser app
11:54 < Soapy> e.g. some things werent "touchable"
11:54 < Soapy> is that any better on the mobile app?
11:54 < Soapy> e.g. the favorites star didnt work
11:54 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: :D
11:55 < Soapy> I guess because it isnt technically a button
11:55 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: the scaling issues - what phone are you on?
11:55 < ragesoss> HTC One XL
11:55 < Soapy> but then it appears that mobile app doesnt use favorites anyway
11:55 < PissedPanda> that explains it - I'm sending across 512px thumbs and asking the phones to scale them down
11:55 < PissedPanda> Soapy: the mobile app doesn't quite use vector styles
11:56 < PissedPanda> ragesoss: file a bug :D It looks sharp on mine but mine is an ancient device by comparison (Nexus S)
11:56 < ragesoss> yeah, my phone (and a lot these days) is 720px across.
11:56 < PissedPanda> need to request thumbnails from the client so I know the width
11:56 < Soapy> but seriously has anyone else complained about the favorites star not working on touch-screen devices, besides me?
11:56 < Soapy> I mean, when browsing Wikipedia in a normal browser, not the app
11:57 < Soapy> Im *sure* its not a problem on my end
11:57 < Soapy> because it still fails when zooming to ridiculously huge sizes
11:57 < PissedPanda> Soapy: which favorites star, exactly? and which phone?
11:57 < Soapy> the star "button" that replaces the "watch this page" button on all Vector pages
11:58 < Soapy> the phone doesnt recognize it as pressable, so it doesnt do anything
11:58 < PissedPanda> Soapy: which phone?
11:58 < PissedPanda> I don't think we test logged in behavior *at all*
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11:58 < Soapy> ok
11:58 < PissedPanda> since you're essentially using desktop view on mobile
11:59 < Soapy> well yeah
11:59 < mareklug> Soapy: it works no problem on iOS 5.1.1
11:59 < mareklug> in Safari
11:59 < Gfoley4> editing on your iPhone is very hard
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11:59 < mareklug> iPod touch
11:59 * Peter-C throws a table across the room
12:00 < Peter-C> THAT C-COLLAR IS ON WRONG
12:00 < Peter-C> BAD TV
12:00 * Peter-C tosses Gfoley4 at the TV
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12:01 < Soapy> i dont remember my password
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12:01 < Soapy> is there any view to see that?
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12:01 < BarkingFish> evening all :)
12:01 < Soapy> anyway this is really annoying
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12:02 < Soapy> Im logged in but I cant get my password
12:02 < Gfoley4> log out and password reset
12:02 < Soapy> well anyway
12:02 < Soapy> im on HTC Thunderbolt
12:02 < Soapy> and cant test it on my other phone since I cant log in
12:02 < mareklug> can't you log out and get a link at login to have it sent to you?
12:03 < BarkingFish> Ironholds, just to let you know I've replied to you on the missing csd criteria on the talk page of http://enwp.org/WP:CURATE :)
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12:04 < noommos> looks good on an s 3, PissedPanda
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12:04 < PissedPanda> noommos: oohoo :D
12:05 < PissedPanda> noommos: how do the images look?
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12:06 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: indeed; replied to your reply ;p
12:06 < BarkingFish> thanks
12:07 < noommos> looks okay in the overview screen but become fuzzy when viewing content
12:07 < PissedPanda> noommos: in content? Really? can you send me a screenshot?
12:08 < BarkingFish> and yes, you're correct. Recordings fall under A9 :) Everything else is under A7 (you could subdivide the tool, so people can specify which of the A7's it falls under - Band, Web, Biography, etc) :)
12:08 < noommos> sure, where do you want me to put it
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12:09 < PissedPanda> noommos: anywhere :)
12:09 < Soapy> why is it asking me for "Complete action using" on every link?
12:10 < Jarry1250> Soapy: I get that whenever I'm browsing on my Android phone now I've installed the Wikipedia link
12:10 < Jarry1250> *app
12:10 < Jarry1250> I'm not sure if you can make it remember your preference
12:10 < Soapy> well
12:10 < Soapy> 99.9999% of the blame goes to the people who design Android
12:11 < Soapy> they seem to have made every possible choice to make the user experience more frustrating
12:11 < Soapy> on tablets at least
12:11 < Soapy> phones, not really a\problem
12:11 < Soapy> because no one expects to get a PC-like experience on a phone
12:11 < Soapy> but a tablet, youd think they would
12:11 < Soapy> but i really cant use a tablet for more than about 10 minutes without getting frustrated and hyperventilating
12:12 < Soapy> and this tablet was given to me for free!!
12:12 < PissedPanda> Jarry1250: you can - you can use the 'remember' link at the bottom (pre 4.1) to make it remember
12:12 < Soapy> with the expectation that if I got one I'd start promoting them to customers
12:12 < Soapy> ha!!!!
12:12 < TeeTylerToe> the first one's always free
12:12 < Soapy> all it's done is make me even more anti-tablet
12:12 < BarkingFish> Soapy: if you can get me one free, I'll promote them to whoever the fuck you like :D
12:12 < Jarry1250> PissedPanda: "Use by default for this action.", yes, just tried it :)
12:12 < PissedPanda> Jarry1250: should work, and did/does for me
12:13 < Jarry1250> Still annoying if you're like me and you use one some of the time
12:13 < PissedPanda> aah, yes :)
12:13 < Jarry1250> and the other the rest of time
12:13 < mareklug> Soapy: you need to try the last iPad b4 you swear off tablets
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12:13 < PissedPanda> also, get me a free tablet and I'll write a Watchlist notification app :P
12:13 < Soapy> ok
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12:13 < Soapy> my cellphone is also for free
12:14 < Soapy> but unlike the tablet I have to give it back if I quit my job
12:14 < mareklug> 70% of the market for a reason
12:14 * PissedPanda sincerely hopes that the Mac vs PC story repeats itself
12:14 < Soapy> if I quit, and dont need the tablet for anythuing, i'll give it away
12:14 < Soapy> the iPad is much better than any Android tablet, yes
12:14 < Soapy> but still has a lot of really perverse design flaws
12:15 < mareklug> such as?
12:15 < TeeTylerToe> will someone mow my lawn?
12:15 < Soapy> like "yes we could have made it much better but WE'RE APPLE so we have to be different even if it's perversely harder to use"
12:15 < TeeTylerToe> maybe someone getting a free tablet
12:15 < Soapy> such as no Tab key on the keyboard
12:15 < Soapy> which means you cant really ever type a letter
12:15 < Soapy> without everyone knowing you sent it from an iPad since it's badly formatted
12:15 < TeeTylerToe> I thought tabs were out of vogue
12:15 < TeeTylerToe> particularly on electric media
12:15 < Soapy> it's a 10" screen, they have plenty of room to put a Tab key in
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12:16 < Soapy> also all tablets that Ive seen seem to assume we have pixel perfect precision with typing
12:16 < Soapy> both Android and iPad and everything else
12:16 < jubo2> there is something else ??
12:16 < Soapy> so if you make a typo soemwhere in a long letter, you have to pinch to the precise place where you made it
12:17 < Soapy> there's no "up" or "down" or "left" or "right" on the keyboard
12:17 < Fluffernutter> comic relief edit of the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Radiocarbon_dating&curid=26197&diff=507574379&oldid=506831355
12:17 < Soapy> I mean really
12:17 < Soapy> the keyboard on all tablets looks like it's made for three year olds
12:17 < Soapy> with gigantic-sized keys
12:17 < Soapy> but only, like, 30 of them on screen at a time
12:18 < mareklug> the German goalkeeper just saw a red card. and earned a penalty kick. which Messi made the new goalkeeper save.
12:18 < Soapy> if I had such fine motor control as the iPad assumes I do I'd be able to fit a whole 100+ key keyboard on the sctreen
12:18 < Soapy> and of course the keyboard is not customizable
12:18 < Soapy> "thats the keyboard, we spent 4 years designing it, what more could you want"
12:19 < PissedPanda> comic relief bug report of the day - Man threatens to invoice/sue Mozilla/MS for 18,000$ because they drop -moz-prefix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645
12:19 < Soapy> at least Android allows you to download new keyboards, though from what Ive seen they still all lack Tab keys, maybe its a limitation in Android itself that there's no Tab key
12:19 < mareklug> there is no usb port on the iPad, right? that's the real failing
12:19 < Soapy> yeah
12:19 < Soapy> that too
12:19 < Soapy> the Apple paranoia against plugging in anything not made and approved by Apple itself
12:19 < BlastHardcheese> download some ram
12:20 < Soapy> no USB flash drives allowed
12:20 < Soapy> or any other external storage
12:20 < mareklug> you should be able to plug in any physical keyboard or device you like
12:20 < PissedPanda> I think it also shows best in their Twitter/FB integration
12:20 < Soapy> EXCEPT ICLOUD OF COURSE!!!
12:20 < TeeTylerToe> it's not designed to be used at a desk
12:20 < PissedPanda> iOS 6 will have as much FB integration as Android 1.6 had, simply because they wanted to build it themselves rather than let FB build it
12:20 < TeeTylerToe> an SD card would be nice
12:20 < TeeTylerToe> maybe bluetooth storage
12:20 < mareklug> but can be. i saw a holder for an iPad that mounts it in the air next to your screen
12:20 < BlastHardcheese> Why would you want to use non-Apple electronics, comrade?
12:21 < TeeTylerToe> because android smartphones are so cheap they actually pay you to buy them
12:21 < TeeTylerToe> and they have much faster hardware
12:21 < TeeTylerToe> they have more storage and ram, and the OS is AMAZING!!!
12:22 < TeeTylerToe> or that's what I keep hearing from everyone on the planet that doesn't have the apple logo tattooed on their face
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12:22 < TeeTylerToe> I really wanted android to be better than the iphone
12:22 < PissedPanda> rising ethnic / religious tensions in India
12:23 < PissedPanda> again
12:23 < PissedPanda> sigh
12:23 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe: you mean android than iOS?
12:23 < TeeTylerToe> I'm talking about the phones themselves
12:24 < TeeTylerToe> the OS too, but the whole device
12:24 < Soapy> im 100% pro-Android now
12:24 < Soapy> for cellphones anyway
12:24 < TeeTylerToe> if iphones are so lucrative, why aren't android phones cheaper
12:24 < mareklug> android is not a phone. it is something that sort of runs in many flavors on lots of different, um, phones
12:24 < Soapy> but I think that only about 20% of Android phones are really any good
12:25 < TeeTylerToe> you can't run android on a dead badger. I tried it, it has terrible reception, and you can actually see the pixels the resolution is so bad
12:26 < mareklug> you certainly can run it on a laptop, and we just might see some soon
12:26 < TeeTylerToe> and still it cost as much as an iphone
12:26 < TeeTylerToe> a pocket laptop?
12:26 < TeeTylerToe> with a touch screen?
12:26 < mareklug> Asus
12:26 < TeeTylerToe> because if you think taking pictures with an ipad is funny, think about making a phonecall with a laptop
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12:27 < mareklug> half of the world video calls on their laptops
12:27 < Soapy> android laptops exist, yeah
12:27 < TeeTylerToe> while they're walking to work?
12:27 < Peter-C> Ironholds - need advice
12:27 < Soapy> phone calls on laptops was big in the mid-90s
12:27 < Soapy> it made sense then because people were almost all using dialup modems
12:27 < Peter-C> I want to look like a 19th/early 20th century brit
12:28 < Soapy> so why not use the same modems to make voice calls?
12:28 < mareklug> if you're with one of the right connedtivity cards, sure
12:28 < Peter-C> You seem like the proper man to talk to
12:28 < Soapy> and cellphones were out of price range for most people
12:28 < Soapy> a $600 cellphone would basically be your best shot
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12:29 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: What class?
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12:29 < Peter-C> Super high class
12:29 < Peter-C> Like a politican
12:29 < Peter-C> or a lawyer of some sort
12:29 < Jarry1250> Ah, that's more middle class
12:30 < Peter-C> What should I wear do you think?
12:30 < Peter-C> I want to look like a classy barristor.
12:30 < Soapy> *barrister
12:31 * Peter-C flips over Soapy
12:31 < Peter-C> You guys need to bolt things down in the room to prevent me from flipping things
12:31 * Pharos flips Peter-C
12:32 * Peter-C flips over North Korea
12:32 < Peter-C> ‘Merica
12:32 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: Me personally, I'd go with something like http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/10/article-1256949-0884653F000005DC-657_306x423.jpg but with a more prominent pocket watch
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12:33 < Peter-C> What about a walking stick
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12:35 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: Mahogany-esque curved cane, probably. Not easy to find these days, of course.
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12:35 < Peter-C> http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Screen-Shot-2012-07-04-at-13.51.29.png - what about this?
12:35 < mareklug> Khedira shoots own goal. the poor Germans have no luck
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12:36 < Peter-C> Also, what are your sources on fashion of this sort?
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12:38 < Jarry1250> Peter-C: Yeah, a nice timeless look I always think, that one. But could definitely benefit from a pocket watch. Oh, no expertise in particular, I'm afraid. Beyond being British and a lover of British history. :)
12:38 < Peter-C> :3
12:39 < noommos> PissedPanda, trying to upload the screenshots, chrome, firefox and ie have decided to commit suicide
12:39 < PissedPanda> noommos: hehe, trying to help me seems to have that effect, yes :)
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13:21 < Soapy> i fotrgot my password
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13:21 < Soapy> Im logged in but cant get to myt password on Andfroid
13:21 < Soapy> is there a way to vitew the passwords saved?
13:21 < Soapy> like there is on a PC browser
13:22 < mareklug> your password for the android?
13:22 < Soapy> for wikipedia
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13:23 < mareklug> just log out. that will log you out globally. then do password reset procedure
13:23 < Soapy> i did that
13:23 < Soapy> it wont accept the password it emailed me
13:23 < Soapy> wait i muight have typerd it wtong
13:24 < Soapy> ok i got it
13:24 < Soapy> i wish there was a way to save a password
13:25 < mareklug> on mac os there is, it's called Keychain Access
13:25 < Soapy> they should make somnething like that for Android devices
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13:25 < Soapy> there doesnt seem to be any way to retrieve a saved password
13:25 < Soapy> I can log in but if I log out I cant get back in
13:25 < Frood> Soapy: does Firefox have it remembered?
13:26 < Soapy> yes
13:26 < Frood> it'll show passwords
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13:36 < mareklug> Soapy: I found this advice: "download SQLite editor. stored passwords for the browser are plaintext and editable"
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13:37 < Soapy> ok thanks
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13:37 < Soapy> think Im so frustrated though Im just going to give up
13:37 < Logan_> Hi Soap.
13:40 < Soapy> hi
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14:13 < Tony_Sidaway> The Android browser does save passwords, at least in the CyanogenMod 9 version I use.
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14:13 < Soapy> yes but can you view them?
14:14 < Soapy> what happens when the 180-day login period expires
14:14 < Tony_Sidaway> I wouldn't want to view them. That would defeat the point of having passwords.
14:14 < Soapy> well sure
14:14 < Soapy> if you never forget your passwords, then thats OK
14:15 < Tony_Sidaway> It's definitely a good idea not to forget your password. But if you do you can usually invoke a reset procedure by typing in your email address.
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14:33 < mysterytrey> They're seems to be a wikisourcerer on freenode today.
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14:34 < foks> You scared him!
14:34 < mysterytrey> I was talking about someone else
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14:37 < ragesoss> is there a way to disable the links to parent pages from subpages, on a page by page basis? Like a magic word to suppress the parent page links?
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14:40 < foks> ragesoss, you mean, like, at the top of the pages?
14:40 < foks> I have no idea.
14:40 < ragesoss> yeah, that'
14:40 < ragesoss> s what I mean.
14:41 < Soapy> I dont know what you mean
14:41 < Soapy> do you mean how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:OS/2 links to talk:OS ?
14:41 < Qcoder02> Good Evening people
14:41 < Soapy> I believe there is no solution, and the last time I asked someone told me "it's not a bug."
14:41 < ragesoss> that's right, Soapy
14:41 < BarkingFish> Soapy, when you're on a subpage from an article, there's a link at the top which says something like: < back to article - i think that's possibly what ragesoss is on about
14:42 < Qcoder02> Does anyone here know how to get anger out of the system?
14:42 < Soapy> I think it *is* a bug, and it's been around for at least 10 years
14:42 < ragesoss> definitely a bug.
14:42 < Qcoder02> I've recently been playing some shoter games and I don't like the way I fell playing them
14:42 < Qcoder02> *shooter
14:42 < foks> How's that a bug?
14:42 < foks> :p
14:43 < ragesoss> it's Wikipedia: space where I'm working now. The idea being, on some pages (like those aimed at newcomers) you really want to reduce the amount of clutter.
14:43 < foks> Ah, right, I get you know
14:43 < Soapy> does that happen in article space too?
14:43 < foks> No
14:43 < Soapy> I mean I know there are hardly any /'s in article space
14:43 < Soapy> OK
14:43 < foks> I think it only applies to the other namespaces
14:43 < ragesoss> Soapy: subpages are not enabled in article space.
14:43 < Soapy> so [[OS/2]] does not link you to [[OS]], but [[talk:OS/2]] does
14:43 < Soapy> Silly.
14:44 < ragesoss> although they are in Talk: space.
14:44 < ragesoss> because there shouldn't ever be subpages in article space, but some titles have slashes.
14:44 < Soapy> OS/2 was cool btw
14:44 < foks> For Archives and that
14:44 < Soapy> I remember when I loved OS/2
14:44 < Soapy> OS/2 was the WebOS of the 90s
14:45 < Soapy> a great OS, that happened to be made by a company that had no use for it, so they killed it
14:45 < ragesoss> there are also now a lot of project space pages that use tab templates
14:45 < ragesoss> where the first tab is the parent page
14:45 < ragesoss> and the others are subpages
14:45 < ragesoss> so you get distracting layout changes when you change tabs: the tabs don't stay in the same place.
14:45 * aude sure it can be implemented
14:46 < ragesoss> aude: it seems simple enough, I think it
14:46 < aude> is there a bug for this?
14:46 < ragesoss> 't just no one has ever coded that magic word.
14:46 < ragesoss> not that I know of.
14:46 * aude nods
14:46 < ragesoss> I'll start one if there isn't.
14:46 < Soapy> i remember reading about the backlink "bug" many years ago
14:46 < Isarra> A magic word to disable it on certain pages would be nice.
14:47 < ragesoss> totes
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14:47 < aude> it'd be a nice little thing to code
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14:50 < Soapy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28technical_restrictions%29#Forward_slashes_and_dots
14:50 < Soapy> thats' where it was
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14:52 < BarkingFish> Is there any way to find out if a specific bot on wp is out of action? I notice VernoWhitney's VWBot is doing copyright tagging, which is normally done by CorenSearchBot. VWBot is only approved as a backup for that task.
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14:53 < BarkingFish> nvm, figured it out - CSB is down. Not edited since August 3rd.
14:54 < Qcoder02> Hi BarkingFish
14:54 < BarkingFish> hi Qcoder02
14:54 < Qcoder02> Can I have a word in PM?
14:54 < BarkingFish> yeah, sure
14:54 * mysterytrey feels left out.
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14:55 < Tony_Sidaway> I still don't see in what way that very useful functionality can be regarded as a "bug".
14:56 < Tony_Sidaway> If you're on a subpage there _should_ be a link to the main.
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14:56 < ragesoss> Tony_Sidaway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history
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14:57 < ragesoss> the tabs shift location as you navigate.
14:57 < mysterytrey> Although perhaps there should be a magic word to hide that link.
14:57 < ragesoss> mysterytrey: right, a behavior switch like __NOTOC__
14:57 < mysterytrey> YES!!!
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14:58 < BarkingFish> there may already be one, ragesoss - try asking #mediawiki - i think the magic words are coded into the base software
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14:58 < ragesoss> BarkingFish: will do, although if it exists it doesn't appear to be documented.
14:59 < BarkingFish> brb, gonna grab a coffee and some food :)
14:59 < ragesoss> anyhow, folks, vote for the bug I just started if you like: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39395
14:59 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, it's a bug in the sense that [[Talk:9/11]] is not a subpage
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14:59 < foks> oh, right, missed ragesoss's explanation
15:00 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: now _that_ is a bug. :)
15:00 < Spitfire> __that__*
15:01 < Tony_Sidaway> The "tabs" in this case are just some bit of style nonsense inserted by somebody. That tabbed functionality is not supported by Mediawiki (perhaps it should be, but that's another matter).
15:01 < foks> Or [[Talk:OS/2]], or [[Talk:Little Thoughts/Tulips]]...
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15:01 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, perhaps, but a magic word would be applicable to both
15:01 < Tony_Sidaway> You can't just randomly fiddlle with stylesheets and then say "this is a bug" when you make a mess of the wiki.
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15:02 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: the talk pages of articles with slashes are a clear bug. There should be a special case in there.
15:02 < ragesoss> Tony_Sidaway: sure, maybe not a bug, but a reasonable thing to have flexibility for. I submitted it as an enhancement request.
15:02 < mysterytrey> Tony_Sidaway: Why can't you?
15:02 < Peter-C> FUCK YES
15:02 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, the only solution really is the magic word.
15:02 < Tony_Sidaway> mysterytrey: feature creep.
15:02 * Peter-C does a quadrople backflip
15:03 < Peter-C> BarkingFish - pm naow
15:03 < Peter-C> like, naowwwwwww
15:03 < Qcoder02> Isn't there a way to escape / charcters that aren't subpage seperators...
15:03 < foks> 'Cos just disabling talk page subpages would mean no archives etc
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15:03 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: I don't see how a magic word would help. [[Talk:9/11]] would still be a subpage, which it should not be.
15:03 < mysterytrey> Peter-C: As opposed to a quadruple backflip?
15:03 < Peter-C> Yes
15:03 < Peter-C> I make words up as I go
15:03 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, unless you somehow ASCIIfy the slash...
15:04 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm not even going to try to think what you mean by that.
15:04 < foks> The __NOPARENTLINK__ might be able to tell mediawiki that it's not a subpage
15:04 < foks> ASCIIfy. Like, &.
15:04 < foks> Or whatever.
15:05 < foks> Maybe use a ⁄ character.
15:05 < foks> 'Cos god knows what that's meant to do otherwise
15:05 < Qcoder02> foks: Whats the difference ?
15:05 < Qcoder02> I see two different charcters
15:05 < Qcoder02> Is one Unicode?
15:05 < foks> What?
15:06 < Qcoder02> And I am assuming MediaWiki can cope with Unicode...
15:06 < foks> The difference is one is / and one is ⁄
15:06 < Qcoder02> foks: OK
15:06 < foks> I think the latter is the division slash.
15:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Kludging character representations is never the right answer.
15:06 < foks> I know.
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15:06 < foks> Hence the bugzilla
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15:06 < mysterytrey> / ⁄ / All the same.
15:06 < foks> ª⁄.
15:06 < Qcoder02> I thought one might be ASCII, and the other a different Unicode point...
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15:07 < Qcoder02> I can only type / on my keyboard
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15:07 < foks> Yeah, the ⁄ is typable on a Mac keyboard
15:07 < foks> it's probably in your charmap though
15:07 * Qcoder02 starts ranting about pervets into Macs...
15:07 < {Soap}> what is ⁄ ?
15:08 < foks> Division sympbol.
15:08 < foks> -p
15:08 < Qcoder02> sympobol?
15:08 < Qcoder02> *sympbol
15:08 < Qcoder02> ?
15:08 < Tony_Sidaway> This seems to be making irssi rather sea sick.
15:08 < foks> So you can fit a superscipt "1" and a subscript "2" if you wanted, and the kerning would probably work.
15:08 < {Soap}> well it's a weird type of slash
15:08 < {Soap}> / is what i use
15:08 < foks> I know.
15:08 < foks> It's what I use as well.
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15:09 < foks> Tony_Sidaway, I would say "get a better client" but that would be disrepectful.
15:09 < Qcoder02> {Soap} Of course it's slash, It's whats make a numerator and denominator play nice and love the typesetter on a Mac ;)
15:09 < Qcoder02> And we all know Mac's are .... (Nah too easy)
15:09 < foks> 1⁄2
15:09 < Qcoder02> XD
15:10 < Qcoder02> Sorry, I'm in a funny mood
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15:10 < Qcoder02> How many Arbcom members does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the Community must have decided the light bulb won't change on it's own
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15:11 < BarkingFish> I went to bed in a rainbow wig, frilled ruff, baggy pants, face paint and a red nose last night - I woke up feeling funny this morning :)
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15:11 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: Did we change at Upminster this evening?
15:11 < Qcoder02> XD
15:11 < BarkingFish> ?
15:11 < foks> How many Arbcom members does it take to change a light bulb?
15:12 < foks> Seven, and one recuse.
15:12 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: PM me and I'll explain it there...
15:12 < Tony_Sidaway> foks: I quite agree. The client is at fault.
15:12 < Qcoder02> Honestly I try to do surreal comedy here and it goes over people's heads...
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15:12 < foks> Chatzilla is a verily nice client.
15:13 < {Soap}> your sense of humor is rather unusual QC
15:13 < Tony_Sidaway> I can't use chatzilla on a terminal. I used it a few times on Debian but it had a lot of memory leaks.
15:13 < BarkingFish> {Soap}, the sense of humor is fine, providing you understand it :)
15:14 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, if you're in a terminal, what about irssi?
15:14 < Qcoder02> BarkingFish: I can still get people by asking for directions to Ari Jabba ;)
15:14 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: that's what I'm using now. It reacted badly to the last lot of unicode characters. Not disastrously so, but not well.
15:15 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, yeah, that's one downside - it needs the charset changing somewhere in its config, I think. Try speaking to #irssi - I am pretty sure they told me how to do it - only I can't remember :P
15:17 * foks doesn't use terminals, 'cos.
15:17 < Tony_Sidaway> BarkingFish: I'm supposed to have set it up for UTF-8 but maybe it got lost in the current session.
15:17 < Tony_Sidaway> I'll disconnect and take a look.
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15:18 < mysterytrey> Everyone spam unicode characters to annoy tonysideaway!
15:18 < mysterytrey> NM. Too late.
15:19 < foks> Thought - how does Tony_Sidaway mark himself as away
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15:19 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, my environment is set up correctly. In any case it's not a huge problem.
15:21 < BarkingFish> Tony_Sidaway, so your terminal is set correctly, and irssi is also set up to use UTF-8... that's a bugger then. It should work.
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15:26 < mysterytrey> foks: What do you mean by mark himself as away?
15:26 < Tony_Sidaway> I've got a Debian shell account somewhere. I've been using that for irc lately, but tonight I'm using my home system.
15:27 < Frood> Tony_Sidaway: do you have to pay for that shell?
15:27 < foks> like, "away
15:27 < Peter-C> Oh god. Bad news. It’s a girl. Where’s the trash can. - The Dictator.
15:28 < BarkingFish> ???
15:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Frood: I paid ten quid in 2001 or something. Most of my shell accounts are free (and aren't so reliable).
15:29 < Frood> Where do you get them?
15:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Polarhome is the paid one. The others I use now are shellmix.com and cjb.net .
15:30 < Qcoder02> Bad jokes coming up ...
15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> With Polarhome you get a very wide choice of operating system.
15:30 < Tony_Sidaway> He's basically a hobbyist with a big hobby.
15:31 < Qcoder02> "How many pyschiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb? One , but change is already within the bulb..."
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15:32 < Qcoder02> " How many Wikipedia admins does it take to change a light bulb? One but they get vieled threats froim people that prefer it to be dark..."
15:33 < Qcoder02> "If Wikipedia was a car .... You'd have to insist the mechanic actually fixed the engine failure rather than just shuffling the sparkplugs...'
15:34 < Qcoder02> "If Wikipedia was a car ... You'd wonder for ages how on earth your friend got the stero installed, before realising it makes the indicators blink every time you change stations..."
15:35 < Qcoder02> "If Wikipedia was a bulidng ... - Before rushing into an office, youd have to check the door didn't open into a mid air chasm.."
15:37 < Qcoder02> "People say Wikipedia users are slightly crazy.. That's OK , we need committed contributors!"
15:37 < Isarra> If Wikipedia WERE*
15:37 < mysterytrey> Second until some op quiets Qcoder02?
15:37 < mysterytrey> **seconds
15:37 < mysterytrey> 5
15:37 < mysterytrey> 4
15:37 < mysterytrey> 3
15:37 < mysterytrey> ...
15:37 < mysterytrey> Seconds until some op quiets me?
15:37 < Qcoder02> Ops here are liberal...
15:38 < Frood> that's irrelevant
15:38 < Qcoder02> You have to do something spectacular to get them to react
15:38 * Isarra dumps a dead seal on the channel.
15:39 < Qcoder02> Isarra: My MY, your diet involves eating whole seals?
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15:39 < foks> Isarra is an orca.
15:39 < Isarra> If I were going to eat it I wouldn't have dumped it here.
15:39 < Isarra> It was just the biggest dead thing I could drag in here.
15:40 < Qcoder02> Apart from some of my attempts at jokes?
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15:40 < mysterytrey> Regarding quiets, I have 2 questions... Why is *!b019fc2d@* Fluf[a]f[k]!u6895@wikipedia/Fluffernutter 1342368029 quieted?
15:41 < Qcoder02> "I have a contact that's a cross dresser, He can be very moody when people's costumes don't fit"
15:41 < Qcoder02> But for that joke to work it has to be Kenneth Williams telling it...
15:42 < mysterytrey> Oh nevermind.
15:42 < mysterytrey> Fluff was the one who quieted.
15:43 * Qcoder02 wonders if someone has quieted me
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15:44 < mysterytrey> Is this you, Qcoder02? "* 367 #wikipedia-en *!*@imgay.ru adams.freenode.net 1339195685" Just kidding, just kidding...
15:44 < Qcoder02> Well at least thay are honest about thier sexuality :)
15:45 < mysterytrey> Yeah...
15:45 < Qcoder02> " What's the difference between a Woman and a 'Queen'?"
15:45 < mysterytrey> Why is "367 #wikipedia-en *!*@TestWiki/bot/Hazard-Bot adams.freenode.net 1339195685" banned?
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15:46 < Qcoder02> " What's the difference between a Woman and a 'Queen'?" "A: It's the attitude !"
15:46 < Earwig> mysterytrey: we don't allow bots, generally
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15:46 < mysterytrey> Ohh. That makes sense.
15:47 < mysterytrey> So why were they in general?
15:47 < mysterytrey> *here
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15:48 < Tony_Sidaway> mysterytrey: bots are sometimes distrusted by people who like to chat.
15:48 < {Soap}> thats quite a ban list we have
15:48 < mysterytrey> Yep.
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15:48 < mysterytrey> /mode "#wikipedia-en" q & "/mode #wikipedia-en b"
15:49 < Tony_Sidaway> We used to empty the ban list regularly on the old #wikipedia . It tended to fill up with hit-and-run trolls.
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15:49 < Qcoder02> Drive by trolling?
15:49 < mysterytrey> Well, we use eir now right?
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15:49 < Qcoder02> A lot of channels use eir, but she's no slut ;)
15:50 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't even know what eir is.
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15:51 < mysterytrey> eir is a freenode bot that undoes bans and quiets in you set them with an expiry time.
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15:54 < {Soap}> yeah
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15:56 < {Soap}> hi
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15:57 < SigmaWP> hi
15:58 < Frood> hi
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16:00 < SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=507603460&rcid=522866105
16:00 < SigmaWP> I don't have the heart to tag it
16:00 < mysterytrey> He's a preacher.
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16:00 < mysterytrey> You can't CSD that.
16:01 < BarkingFish> tough, done.
16:01 < BarkingFish> A7
16:01 < mysterytrey> Military leader, etc.
16:01 < Frood> SigmaWP: but i do
16:01 < SigmaWP> Thanks
16:01 < mysterytrey> Heartless Frood.
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16:02 < BarkingFish> evening Ironholds :)
16:02 < Ironholds> office hours, page curation, #wikimedia-office, nao :)
16:02 < BarkingFish> Did you manage to find anythign out about those weird assed tabs I mailed to you last night?
16:02 < Frood> frood needs food
16:03 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: no luck :(
16:03 < BarkingFish> 0.o
16:03 < BarkingFish> i have nfi where they came from, but i still have them
16:03 < Frood> BarkingFish: what tabs?
16:03 < Isarra> BarkingFish: Still there when you log out?
16:04 < BarkingFish> Isarra, nope
16:04 < Ironholds> BarkingFish: soo. gadget? rogue js?
16:04 < BarkingFish> not a gadget, not rogue .js either
16:04 < Frood> screenshot please
16:04 < BarkingFish> i reset all my prefs to default last night, they're still there, and I stripped out both my css and js files too
16:04 < Isarra> Still there when you turn off js?
16:05 < BarkingFish> yep
16:05 < Isarra> Could you show us a screenshot?
16:05 < Tony_Sidaway> I would CSD that. Nick Damonte, you have a fan, but we don't do fan pages.
16:06 < BarkingFish> yep, this is the "page" tab - you will also notice the "user" tab next to it, and no page history in the top bar - also, no user contributions in the left toolbar now
16:06 < BarkingFish> http://imgur.com/40IBQ
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16:07 < BarkingFish> sorry, that one doesn't have the user tab in it
16:07 < BarkingFish> that appears on a user or user talk page though, i think i screenshot that last night and mailed it to Ironholds
16:07 < Frood> BarkingFish: Does it show up in other browsers?
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16:08 < {Soap}> weird
16:08 < BarkingFish> Frood, yep - it's there in chromium, firefox, konqueror
16:08 < Isarra> What's it supposed to look like?
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16:08 < Logan_> BarkingFish: You didn't quite strip out your JS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BarkingFish/monobook.js
16:08 < {Soap}> also "wetdogmeat" ... great user name
16:08 < BarkingFish> well, it's not supposed to be there
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16:09 < Isarra> What isn't?
16:09 < BarkingFish> didn't I? oh fucknuts. hold on
16:09 < {Soap}> logan's probably found the answer
16:09 < Frood> there's your problem...
16:09 < Frood> those are part of twinkle
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16:09 < {Soap}> they are?
16:10 < Frood> i think so.
16:10 < Frood> also, heh
16:10 < BarkingFish> no, they're not
16:10 < Frood> essjay edited his monobook.js
16:10 < {Soap}> "page", at least, isnt there for me
16:10 < BarkingFish> and i've now cleared my css and js, properly, refreshed (hard) and they're still there
16:11 < Isarra> Did you purge?
16:11 < BarkingFish> yep
16:11 < Frood> and common.js
16:12 < BarkingFish> and here's the user tab I was telling you about
16:12 < BarkingFish> http://imgur.com/FpFKa
16:12 < Logan_> BarkingFish: Try a different browser now, maybe?
16:12 < BarkingFish> common.js won't affect it - the only thing in there is the external editor script, it's nothing to do with those tabs at all, Frood
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16:13 < {Soap}> is your screen res really that small, or are you just shrinking it to make it easier to see?
16:13 < {Soap}> eh
16:13 < {Soap}> i guess it's 1024x768
16:13 < Logan_> That's small.
16:13 < IRWolfie-> I'm surprised fox news isn't just thrown out the window as a reliable source
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16:15 < Frood> it is small
16:15 < SigmaWP> BarkingFish: But if you always start from the back, what about the newly created attack pages?
16:15 < Isarra> IRWolfie-: Or any news source.
16:15 < {Soap}> once i turned my monitor to 2x1
16:16 < Frood> how did that work out?
16:16 < {Soap}> it didnt work
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16:16 < {Soap}> the graphics card was pretty hackable, but not that much
16:16 < {Soap}> it let me do silly things like 1024x120 though
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16:16 < Elduen> Someone do me a favor and make it less hot here.
16:17 < Isarra> BarkingFish: Go to your preferences and uncheck 'Add page and user options to drop-down menus on the toolbar.' - it's under appearance gadgets.
16:17 * {Soap} splashes himself all over Elduen
16:17 < IRWolfie-> Isarra: especially fox news, considering the amount of crap they publish, and that they fought for the right to lie
16:17 < Elduen> ...well if that helps.
16:17 < Frood> Elduen: i'll leave.
16:17 < Logan_> Frood is hot..
16:17 < IRWolfie-> some newspaper are pretty ok, and have a reputation for fact checking
16:18 < Logan_> .
16:18 < Isarra> IRWolfie-: Compare it to the New York Times sometime. It's cute.
16:18 < Frood> .
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16:18 < {Soap}> elduen: you in the southwest?
16:18 < {Soap}> i hear it was getting to 120F there
16:18 * GorillaWarfare twitches
16:19 < GorillaWarfare> 120F?!
16:19 < IRWolfie-> Isarra: in what way do you mean?
16:19 < BarkingFish> Isarra, jokes on you. It's not switched on
16:19 < Frood> ohai GorillaWarfare
16:19 < GorillaWarfare> o/
16:19 < Isarra> Well, that's what you're seeing. Try turning it on and then off?
16:19 < IRWolfie-> (I don't read american papers except for what I come across on wikipedia)
16:20 < Frood> oh BarkingFish
16:20 < Frood> clear your cookies
16:20 < Isarra> IRWolfie-: Falsehoods, is all.
16:22 < Isarra> News ain't generally reviewed, but it's what we've got so we use it.
16:22 < IRWolfie-> For many topics there are better sources
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16:23 < Gfoley4> I don't trust any news unless it's coming out of Stephen Colbert's mouth
16:23 < Gfoley4> Such a liberal!
16:25 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: Sacramento was 110 last weekend. Lush.
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> I think I would actually die.
16:25 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: I was on the American River
16:25 < Ironholds> get too hot? jump the hell in
16:25 < Ironholds> it was GAW-JUSH
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16:25 < GorillaWarfare> Haha
16:25 < Gfoley4> Wasn't that where they mined gold or something?
16:25 < GorillaWarfare> Did I tell you about the british guy who came into my diner?
16:26 < Ironholds> no?
16:26 < GorillaWarfare> He kept saying "cheers"
16:26 < GorillaWarfare> And it made me think of you
16:26 < Isarra> He says that a lot too?
16:27 < GorillaWarfare> Isarra: No, but he says other british things that make me squee a bit
16:27 < GorillaWarfare> In a similar manner
16:27 < Gfoley4> long time no see. la_pianista!
16:27 < Isarra> Ah...
16:27 < la_pianista> 'lo there Gfoley4 ^.^
16:27 < Isarra> Yes.
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16:28 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: maths.
16:28 * GorillaWarfare squees a bit
16:28 < Ironholds> see? I am like, totally womyn-bait
16:28 < Isarra> Pants.
16:29 < Ironholds> trousers.
16:29 < Isarra> Knickers.
16:29 < GorillaWarfare> Isarra says knickers?
16:30 < Isarra> ...did I get that backwards?
16:31 < Ironholds> Isarra: knickers would be the old-fashioned British version
16:31 < Ironholds> but really there are no good words for ladies undergarments
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16:31 < GorillaWarfare> Definitely can't help but think of bloomers when someone says knickers...
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16:32 < Isarra> I blame the aussies.
16:32 -!- Frood [~Frood@firefox/community/pilif12p] has quit [Quit: booting to Ubuntu.]
16:32 < SigmaWP> Yay!
16:33 < Isarra> Buckets, actually trying to think of britishisms, I've got nothing.
16:33 * Isarra pours leeches on SigmaWP.
16:33 < Ironholds> Isarra: I'm a walking britishism
16:33 < GorillaWarfare> ^
16:33 < Isarra> With a large nose.
16:33 < GorillaWarfare> He says MATHS
16:33 < Tony_Sidaway> I say maths.
16:33 < Isarra> So do NORWEGIANS!
16:33 < GorillaWarfare> Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_words_not_widely_used_in_the_United_States
16:33 < Tony_Sidaway> It's the British word.
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16:34 < {Soap}> Bloody Briticisms invading Americans speech!!
16:34 < BlastHardcheese> "maths" to me sounds like someone with a speech impediment
16:34 < BlastHardcheese> mathhhhhhhhhhhhhssssssssssssss
16:34 < Guerillero> I uses maths when I want to be ironic
16:34 < Isarra> The speech impediment is 'mathsh'.
16:34 < GorillaWarfare> Hehe, "squiffy"
16:35 < Ironholds> Isarra: it's a nice nose
16:35 < Isarra> It is; it's just big.
16:35 < Isarra> ...and I couldn't think of anything better to say.
16:35 < Ironholds> its bigness is one source of its niceness
16:35 < Ironholds> also, pot, kettle. you are the world expert on big-but-cute noses
16:36 < Isarra> I'm a Mayan.
16:36 * GorillaWarfare takes notes on this rather interesting courtship ritual in her field-book
16:36 < Isarra> It's a sign of class.
16:36 < Isarra> >.>
16:36 < Tony_Sidaway> "Pants" seems to have migrated in British English to meaning, almost exclusively, underpants during my lifetime. I still use "pants" to mean trousers.
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16:37 < Ironholds> Isarra: it's cute is what it is.
16:37 * GorillaWarfare scribbles madly
16:38 * Isarra confiscates GorillaWarfare's notes.
16:38 < GorillaWarfare> Damn...
16:38 < Isarra> Lessee here...
16:38 < Isarra> Um...
16:38 < Guerillero> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/all_fur_coat_and_no_knickers is one of my favorite brittisms
16:38 < Isarra> Crap, I need glasses.
16:39 * Ironholds hands Isarra his glasses
16:40 * Isarra gives Ironholds the notes and then holds the glasses for ransom.
16:40 < Ironholds> I can read without my glasses
16:40 * Ironholds reads
16:40 < Ironholds> it says "Ironholds is clearly a very attractive gentleman who should be jumped by all women of taste"
16:40 < Ironholds> Well, I agree with that
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16:40 < Ironholds> although the bit about holding me to ransom until we hand over John Barrowman I find offensive.
16:40 < Guerillero> lol
16:41 < Ironholds> he's mine, dammit
16:41 < GorillaWarfare> Damn...
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16:43 < Ironholds> oh, you don't want any more doctor who? well, fine then
16:43 < GorillaWarfare> Send me David Tennant too, and I won't need any more
16:44 < Frood> I just booted Ubuntu for the first time since Juneish
16:44 < Frood> I forgot how much I love Linux.
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16:45 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: nuh-uh
16:45 < GorillaWarfare> :(
16:45 * Guerillero chuckles in the back corner
16:45 < Ironholds> we'll trade
16:46 < Ironholds> get me a passport so I can move to oregon, I'll get you barrowman and tennant
16:46 -!- pianista|ping [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has quit [Quit: pianista|ping]
16:46 < GorillaWarfare> DONE
16:46 * GorillaWarfare begins Photoshopping
16:46 < Ironholds> ...hah
16:46 < Ironholds> then you get a photoshopped barrowman
16:46 < GorillaWarfare> :(
16:46 < Ironholds> his name is Gary. He's a brickie from Towchester.
16:47 < Ironholds> he likes curries, cheap lager, 3 and a half men and farting into a lighter
16:47 < Ironholds> have fun
16:47 < GorillaWarfare> 3 and a half men?
16:47 < Ironholds> ...google it
16:47 < Guerillero> it gould be worse
16:47 -!- u99of9 [~chatzilla@124-149-38-55.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
16:47 < Guerillero> you could have given her a chav
16:47 < Ironholds> 2 and a half
16:47 < Ironholds> whatever
16:47 < GorillaWarfare> There we go
16:48 * {Soap} is still reading the British words page
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16:48 < Isarra> Bloody chavs.
16:48 -!- la_pianista [~katelante@wikipedia/La-Pianista] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
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16:49 * GorillaWarfare squees
16:49 < Guerillero> why is BBC america showing gangs of NY
16:49 * Isarra gives GorillaWarfare a large pile of chav-related vandalism.
16:50 < Pharos> because BBC america listened to my letter?
16:50 < Pharos> they're making their own gangs of NY show, strangely enough
16:50 < Pharos> about NYPD in 1864 :P
16:51 < Guerillero> oh fun
16:51 < Isarra> How do you pass args into args because args argh arg.
16:51 < Guerillero> what the frack is an arg
16:51 < Isarra> Argument, grunt, argentina... take your pick.
16:52 < Frood> Isarra: "Plant the top of a pineapple, grow your own" http://i.imgur.com/XRhUi.png
16:52 < Isarra> See I've got this argv thing and apparently I need to rearrange it and I'm too lazy to figure out how.
16:52 < Frood> you should grow a pineapple tree.
16:52 < Frood> and don't let this one die
16:52 < Isarra> Frood: You assume pineapples make it here with still living tops.
16:53 < Isarra> That said, that kind of plant really is quite easy to propagate.
16:54 < Isarra> I had a similar plant have all its roots rot out from under it, so I stuck the top in water and it just grew some new roots.
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17:04 < {Soap}> hi snuffy
17:05 < Frood> i just cranked all four cores on this up to 3.3GHz
17:08 < Guerillero> why is packing for uni so hard
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17:09 < GorillaWarfare> Guerillero: I feel your pain...
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17:12 < BarkingFish> Guerillero, suitcase probably isn't big enough.
17:12 < BarkingFish> try sitting on it
17:13 < Isarra> Why is packing so hard?
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17:15 < Guerillero> because it involves deciding "What do I need for the fall and winter?"
17:15 < Guerillero> This includes a season of rugby to plan for
17:18 < Isarra> Bandages?
17:19 < Guerillero> yes
17:19 < Pharos> steroids?
17:19 < Guerillero> no
17:20 < Pharos> good sport, old man!
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17:23 < Pharos> i wonder if they have drug testing in chess
17:23 < Pharos> or poetry slam....
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17:25 < {Soap}> lol
17:26 < Fluffernutter> I think this took a wrong turn on the way to Wikiversity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Food_expiration
17:26 < {Soap}> did google change its favicon?
17:26 < {Soap}> it's now suddenly a white "g" on a blue background
17:26 < Pharos> yes it did
17:27 < {Soap}> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Food_expiration&oldid=507610400
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17:27 < Pharos> i think any turn that saved it from wikiversity was a lucky turn for it
17:27 < BarkingFish> Fluffernutter, are you sure? I could swear it encountered the crossroads to "trash can" and found the wrong exit blocked off :P
17:27 < Fluffernutter> heh
17:27 < Pharos> better to die at wikipedia than live on wikiversity...
17:27 < Pharos> it's more noble that way
17:27 < {Soap}> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_for_an_apple_left_out_to_rot was the source
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17:28 < BarkingFish> This article has multiple issues: It is shite, and should be burned (August 2012 or as quickly as possible)
17:28 < Fluffernutter> well, i can't think of a CSD criterion to cram it under, so it lives for the moment
17:28 < BarkingFish> I'd AFD, Fluffernutter
17:28 < BarkingFish> it's crap, most likely going to be filled with OR
17:28 < Guerillero> redirect is a good option
17:29 < Guerillero> it causes no drama
17:29 < Pharos> anything other than a redirect is a waste of time imho
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17:30 < BarkingFish> ah, well it's a waste of time then - AFD'd :P
17:30 -!- euphoria is now known as ceradon-away
17:30 < BarkingFish> oh fuck
17:31 < BarkingFish> Database is buggered. Are we in lockdown or RO?
17:31 < mysterytrey> BarkingFish: Behave, please.
17:31 < BarkingFish> mysterytrey, no. I was behaving perfectly well, thank you
17:31 < Pharos> it's lockdown, the trolls are in the building!
17:31 < Guerillero> they never left
17:31 < Pharos> i think we're gonna lose Sector 4
17:31 < GorillaWarfare> Thought you ought to know...
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17:31 < mysterytrey> BarkingFish: Behave perfecter, please.
17:31 < BarkingFish> Adding discussion to today's list: Failed to save edit: Database query error
17:32 < BarkingFish> Adding deletion tag to article: Failed to save edit: Database query error
17:32 < Pharos> Initiate decontaminate of Sector 4!
17:32 < Pharos> *ion
17:32 < BarkingFish> that's from Twinkle - normally it's just issues with the API - first time I have seen this
17:32 < Jeske_Merensky> Shut down all the trash compactors on the detention level!
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17:33 < BarkingFish> nvm
17:33 < BarkingFish> I found out what it was.
17:33 < BarkingFish> While I was tagging it, somebody kindly moved it
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17:34 < BarkingFish> Can someone take the afd tags off of http://enwp.org/Shelf_life
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17:34 < Pharos> why can't you?
17:35 < BarkingFish> I nommed the dang thing :)
17:35 < Guerillero> {{done}}
17:35 < BarkingFish> "Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the Guide to deletion."
17:35 < Pharos> that makes you the ideal person to de-nom it!
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17:36 < BarkingFish> let me clarify it for you, Pharos
17:36 < BarkingFish> "this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed."
17:36 -!- {Soap} is now known as behave_please
17:36 < BarkingFish> i put it there, afaik, I'm not supposed to take it off :
17:36 < Pharos> unless there was a huge discussion generated in the last 30 seconds, you have every right to remove it
17:36 < behave_please> IAR, BarkingFish
17:37 < behave_please> and yeah, I think that rule is made for the page creator
17:37 < Earwig> omg it's Pharos
17:37 < behave_please> e.g. if you AfD someone's hopeless vanity article, they cant just remove the AFD
17:37 < behave_please> but the person who started the AFD can remove it
17:38 < Pharos> omg it's my non-intern
17:38 < Earwig> eheh
17:38 < Earwig> yes, I'm in Stuy, and I'll be a junior in September
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17:38 < BarkingFish> behave_please, i did not know I was able to take it off.
17:38 < Pharos> fill out the form and get me a cv
17:38 < Earwig> I know :/
17:38 < Pharos> for the WMF more than for me ;)
17:39 < Guerillero> are you hiring pharos
17:39 * Earwig shifts in his chair nervously
17:39 < Earwig> okay, back to work
17:39 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away
17:39 < Pharos> i am hiring unpaid inrerns!
17:39 < Pharos> would you care to apply?
17:40 < BarkingFish> Guerillero, can you nail this too please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Food_expiration - it seems the afd did go through all the way.
17:40 < Frood> Pharos: is there a minimum age? :P
17:40 < Pharos> not really
17:40 < Guerillero> do they have to live in NYC
17:40 < Pharos> in most cases, yes
17:40 < Frood> will they pay for me to live in NYC?
17:40 < Pharos> but maybe we can work things out
17:40 < Pharos> no
17:41 < Frood> k
17:41 < Pharos> that one i;m fairly sure of ;)
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17:41 < Frood> i won't apply then
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17:41 < Guerillero> I live in pittsburgh and go to school on the delmarva peninsula
17:42 < Guerillero> BarkingFish: what do you want to happen
17:42 < BarkingFish> closed, redirected to Shelf Life :)
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17:43 < behave_please> m getting errors then
17:44 < BarkingFish> yeah, it should be Shelf life - not Shelf Life
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17:45 < Guerillero> done
17:45 < BarkingFish> thanks
17:45 < Guerillero> Pharos: I would consider it
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17:45 < BarkingFish> right, i'm gonna pack up and go get some sleep :)
17:45 -!- matt_buck is now known as mattbuck
17:46 < BarkingFish> Night all.
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17:46 * kylu yawns. Tired.
17:46 < Pharos> we have to work out a good system for long-distance internship
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17:47 < Pharos> i have to get my head around that problem at some point
17:47 < kylu> you know, in some companies you "clock in" by signing in to an IM client.
17:47 < kylu> require a minimum number of hours signed-in and working
17:47 * kylu shrugs.
17:48 < Pharos> and how do you demonstrate you've actually done stuff?
17:48 < kylu> it depends on what the job is
17:48 < behave_please> i think it's mostly for the type of jobs that consist entirely of writing/coding etc
17:48 < behave_please> which cant really be faked
17:48 < kylu> as the comptroller says, "If it's important enough to be done, you can measure it."
17:49 < Noommos> Huggle doubling warning users is annoying :( looks bitey
17:49 < Noommos> double*
17:49 < Pharos> the problem is with something like wikimedia outreach, it's a lot of disparate stuff
17:50 < kylu> then the problem is a mixture of not setting realistic goals and failing to have valid metrics in place.
17:51 < Earwig> Pharos: the PDF and Google Doc forms are different; which do you want?
17:51 < Pharos> google doc i guess
17:51 < Earwig> mkay
17:55 < Guerillero> where is the google doc
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17:56 < Pharos> it's the form for campus ambassadors, actually
17:56 < Pharos> i was thinking about recruiting earwig for both
17:56 < Earwig> :/
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17:57 < GorillaWarfare> Vietnamese has so many diacritics o.O
17:57 < Pharos> it's still a lot easier than when they used chinese characters!
17:58 < GorillaWarfare> Trying to transcribe the characters from shitty-quality scans is a challenge, though
18:01 < Guerillero> why are you trying non english documents
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18:01 < kylu> GorillaWarfare: they're not really diacritical, just trying to diahelp.
18:03 * GorillaWarfare cringes
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18:05 < harej> GorillaWarfare: why does Mumbles record YouTube videos if no one can understand him?
18:05 < GorillaWarfare> ?
18:05 < harej> ...Never mind!
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18:14 < harej> Isarra is entered.
18:14 < Isarra> With a return!
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18:16 < Frood> my computer is unbearably slow.
18:16 < Frood> i need a better hard drive, this one is probably gonna fail soon...
18:16 < Jeske_Merensky> Frood) Look on Newegg
18:16 < Frood> Jeske_Merensky: I don't have a whole lot of money.
18:17 < harej> ask @ChuckGrassley what he uses
18:17 < Jeske_Merensky> Frood) Hence, look on Newegg for a new HD.
18:17 < Frood> harej: "Mozilla Google Chrome is my Yahoo email browser"
18:17 < Jeske_Merensky> I assume you already have an OS lined up
18:17 < harej> Frood: that has too many unabbreviated words.
18:17 < Frood> that was once said on one of Mozilla's mailing lists.
18:18 < Frood> or something very similar
18:18 < harej> Mozila Google Chrome is my Yho email brwsr. PresO how dare u shut dwn th IA state fair
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18:19 < Peter-C> GorillaWarfare :3
18:19 * Peter-C puts his finger in GorillaWarfare’s ear
18:19 < GorillaWarfare> Oh god not again
18:19 < Peter-C> 3rd time today?
18:20 < Isarra> Peter-C: Is that supposed to endear you to her?
18:20 < GorillaWarfare> Yes...
18:20 < behave_please> dd someone type my name
18:20 < GorillaWarfare> My poor ear
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18:20 < Peter-C> GorillaWarfare - explain here for everyone to read :P
18:20 < Frood> ah
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18:20 < Frood> it's actually
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18:20 < Frood> "Google Mozilla Firefox is my Yahoo email browser"
18:20 < GorillaWarfare> TL;DR customer at work stuck his finger in my ear twice
18:20 < Peter-C> BUT WHY
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18:21 < Isarra> O_o
18:21 < Guerillero> i aw that on the facebook
18:21 < GorillaWarfare> To be funny? Idk
18:21 < Guerillero> and I make this face O.o
18:21 < Guerillero> saw*
18:21 < GorillaWarfare> So did I...
18:21 < Isarra> You people are so connected.
18:21 < Frood> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/drTxIr8_zNU/c0T9Rc9JVKIJ
18:21 < Peter-C> But... was he like “I want some french fries *puts finger in your ear* with my cheeseburger?”
18:22 < GorillaWarfare> No, he was standing behind me as I was writing up his bill
18:22 < kylu> Isarra: Not all of us are. I refuse to use that "internet" thing.
18:22 < GorillaWarfare> If he'd come at me from the front, I'd at least have been able to dodge
18:22 < Isarra> kylu: Yay!
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18:22 < kylu> Yay refusal or yay kylu?
18:23 < Ironholds> GorillaWarfare: out of context that sounds worse
18:23 < Pharos> wat?
18:23 < Peter-C> xD
18:23 < Bradford> Hola
18:23 < GorillaWarfare> Good point
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18:23 < Frood> a customer put your finger in your ear?
18:23 < kylu> IH: m:bash ?
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18:23 < GorillaWarfare> Frood: His finger, my ear
18:23 < Frood> er, that's what I mean
18:23 < Ironholds> kylu: I'd rather not
18:23 < Frood> t
18:24 < Pharos> that is highly illogical behavior
18:24 < Peter-C> At least he didn’t lick you
18:24 -!- quanticle|away is now known as quanticle
18:24 < Pharos> licking makes more sense, honestly
18:24 < Frood> GorillaWarfare: spit in his food next time you see him
18:24 < mareklug> he would have been arrested for licking...
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18:25 < GorillaWarfare> Frood: He was a nice enough dude
18:25 < GorillaWarfare> Just no boundaries and a weird-ass sense of humor
18:25 < Frood> oh.
18:25 < Peter-C> He put his finger in your ear.
18:25 < Frood> one time at target i was with my mother to pick up my prescription
18:25 < Peter-C> Sounds like someone a psyco would do
18:25 < Frood> and some guy says
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18:26 < Frood> "Aren't you a little young for Viagra?"
18:26 < Ironholds> yo, quanticle
18:26 < quanticle> Yo
18:26 < quanticle> What's up?
18:27 < behave_please> Julian Assange is apparently hiding out in Ecuador
18:27 < mareklug> um, not quite Equador proper
18:28 < behave_please> he's not?
18:28 < mareklug> he's in London. last i read.
18:28 < behave_please> on 19 June Assange entered the Ecuadorian embassy in London and asserted he was being persecuted and requested political asylum.
18:28 < behave_please> hm
18:28 < mareklug> and today UK threatened to get him there
18:29 < behave_please> still, odd why he chose Ecuador
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18:29 < mareklug> the new President is sympathetic
18:30 < Isarra> behave_please: Are you the thing or addihockey?
18:30 < Isarra> I'm too lazy to look.
18:31 < behave_please> i wonder if it would be worth an all-out war against Ecuador just to get him back
18:31 < Earwig> Isarra: it's soap!
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18:32 * Isarra dies a little inside.
18:32 * Peter-C revives that part
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18:35 < Bradford> Hi Isarra
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18:35 < behave_please> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Correa
18:35 < behave_please> hmm
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18:38 < behave_please> he shut down a TV station for showing the Simpsons during prime time
18:38 < mareklug> must be a Family Guy fan
18:40 < Isarra> Is Bradford soap too?
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18:41 < Bradford> Isarra: I do not understand what you mean
18:41 < mareklug> behave_please: "Also, in April 2010 he received the Prize for Exceptional Academic Achievement 2009 of the University of Illinois.[223]" <-- even US gives him prizes
18:42 < behave_please> that proves he's in cahoots with Obama :o
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18:42 < Bsadowski1> ...
18:42 < behave_please> everything shady happens in chicago
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18:42 < Isarra> Bradford: Nevermind to that, then. Hello. Can I help you with something?
18:42 < mareklug> i think it was UIUC, so downstate, not Chicago
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18:44 < Bradford> Isarra: No thanks I need help :)
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18:53 < Isarra> Hey Ironholds... thank you for the coins. I have no idea what to do with this.
18:53 < Isarra> these
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18:57 < Ironholds> Isarra: coins?
18:57 < Ironholds> oh. did I give you britmoney?
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19:06 * ToAruShiroiNeko steals Ironholds's coins
19:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wtf are these? they arent even round
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19:06 < Apheori> Ironholds: No, you gave me american money.
19:07 < Apheori> You thought I'd have more use for it.
19:07 < Apheori> I didn't. It sat on my desk for a month.
19:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> america uses money?
19:08 < Apheori> Nope.
19:08 < Apheori> Hence the problem.
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> America is using gold medals they won as currency probably
19:08 < Ironholds> Apheori: ahh. 1 dollars that I didn't want to get rid of?
19:08 < Ironholds> you could go, uh. spend it?
19:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hmm
19:09 < Apheori> On what?
19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you could have donated it
19:09 < Ironholds> food? new shoes?
19:09 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: to whom?
19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> donate it to the red cross
19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> wikipedia?
19:09 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away
19:09 < Apheori> Well, I did spend $75 the other day on mountain dew...
19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> obama?
19:09 < Ironholds> I donated it to wikipedia
19:09 < Ironholds> well. a wikipedian.
19:09 < Apheori> Can you mail donations to wikimedia?
19:09 < Apheori> ...of quarters?
19:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as in cash?
19:09 < Apheori> A lot of quarters?
19:09 < Apheori> No, quarters.
19:10 < behave_please> why $75 on Mountain Dew?
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19:10 < behave_please> Stocking up for the next year/
19:10 < Apheori> behave_please: Yes.
19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> behave_please have you not played fallout 3?
19:10 < behave_please> nope
19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bottle caps
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19:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> future currency
19:11 < Apheori> Hmm, there's also a ten dollar bill in here...
19:11 < Apheori> Something tells me this isn't all from Ironholds.
19:11 < Ironholds> Apheori: most likely not
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19:14 < Apheori> Okay, now I want to go to some fancy shop and buy something expensive entirely with coins just to see how many weird looks I get.
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19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
19:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> by a laptop entirely with pennies
19:15 < Ironholds> Apheori: shoes! shoes!
19:15 < Ironholds> you need some decent damn sandals
19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori you may need a chinook to bring in the cash
19:15 < Apheori> Shoes are too expensive for that. >.<
19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> just get fur shoes
19:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are mere 4 septims
19:16 < Apheori> I only have 2 septims.
19:16 < Apheori> Okay, how did I get from the teahouse to ANI?
19:16 < mareklug> Apheori: i think stores can refuse large ampunts of coins if not offered in rolls
19:17 < Apheori> Do I look like I can afford rolls?!
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19:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Apheori you can earn 2 more septims by making that little girl stop picking on the boy
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19:36 * lexein looks like he can afford rolls
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19:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sweet rolls?
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19:49 < Frood> i need some help
19:49 < Frood> where is that video of the guy singing "Yesterday" to make money for his daughter because she's terminally ill?
19:50 < Apheori> No idea what you're talkng about,.
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19:50 < ChrisGualtieri> Hiya
19:50 < Ironholds> augh, my BACK
19:50 < Ironholds> still sore from sunday :(
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19:51 < ChrisGualtieri> Hi Ironholds
19:51 < Frood> It was on Reddit
19:51 < Apheori> My back is also sore, but not from doing anything fun.
19:51 < Frood> But I cannot find it.
19:51 * Apheori brandishes a knife tiredly.
19:51 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ros_Sereysothea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLaDRqfWHw8
19:51 * Elduen takes Apheori's knife and replaces it with a brick.
19:51 < Frood> aha found it.
19:51 < Frood> it was for his son
19:51 * Apheori hurls the brick at a random passerby.
19:51 < Frood> not daughter
19:52 < Ironholds> Apheori: be nice.
19:52 < Ironholds> hey ChrisGualtieri
19:52 < Frood> and it was "Let it Be".
19:52 < ChrisGualtieri> How's it going?
19:53 < Apheori> Ironholds: Grr.
19:53 * Ironholds hugs Apheori
19:53 < Apheori> Dammit, I'm covered in dirt.
19:53 * behave_please cleans you up
19:53 < Ironholds> ChrisGualtieri: it goes well! Multitasking between writing a blog post and reviewing pages and writing up a work proposal
19:53 < behave_please> oops
19:53 < Apheori> You don't want to do that.
19:54 * Ironholds turns a hose on Apheori
19:54 < Ironholds> done.
19:54 * Apheori huggles the soap.
19:54 < behave_please> Im not /nicked Soap
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19:54 < ChrisGualtieri> I'm fixing stuff on Wiki too. :) So I probably won't respond without my name being used... or at least slowly. lol
19:54 < {Soap}> thats the 2nd time today ive tried to make a /nick joke that didnt work
19:54 < Apheori> Ironholds: Care to clean up this pile of dirt, too? \
19:54 < Apheori> I've been trying to do that all day. So far I've... made it larger.
19:54 < Ironholds> Apheori: I would have to travel lots of miles
19:54 < Ironholds> what's in it for me?
19:54 < Apheori> A hug.
19:55 < Apheori> ...covered in dirt.
19:55 < Ironholds> yeah, you give pretty good hugs; I'll deal.
19:55 < Frood> Apheori: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YAu-sGIpwQ&feature=player_embedded
19:55 < Apheori> Oh, yuck, there's dirt in my mountain dew, too.
19:55 < Elduen> Do you have a jar of dirt?
19:55 < Elduen> I hope you have a jar of dirty.
19:55 < Elduen> -y
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19:56 < Apheori> No, I just have a big pile on my floor.
19:56 < Elduen> Funny ruined by typo. Damn you, Internet.
19:56 < Elduen> Oh.
19:56 < Elduen> Put it in a jar.
19:56 < Elduen> Then you'll have a jar of dirt.
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19:56 < Apheori> And I don't have a jar.
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19:56 < Apheori> I have an urn, though.
19:56 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGWfSyCoKwI "Love this song!!! She is an awesome talented singer and no one can match her voice."
19:56 < Elduen> "Urn of dirt" isn't as funny as "jar of dirt".
19:57 < Apheori> Why is jar of dirt funny?
19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a Pirates meme.
19:58 < Apheori> Oh.
19:58 < Apheori> What's that?
19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Look it up on YouTube.
19:58 < Apheori> I need to deal with this dirt.
19:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Like "They're talking
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19:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Taking the hobbits to Isengard."
19:59 < Apheori> Not familiar with that.
19:59 < Tony_Sidaway> But more irritating
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20:00 < Elduen> Actually, I'd never seen, or heard of, the YT remixes of the "jar of dirt" thing until just now.
20:00 < Elduen> There's an awesome remix of Steve Ballmer's "Developers" thing though.
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20:01 < Tony_Sidaway> I have a daughter who, inter alia, is a huge Johnny Depp fan.
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20:04 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNCRU8JJV6Y "AMAZING!!! Perfect song for a Quentin Tarantino movie ;) "
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20:14 < Seddon> Ironholds: in the office?
20:14 < Seddon> or at the hotel?
20:16 < ChrisGualtieri> DRN is getting better I think
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20:17 < Seddon> it is? thats good
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20:18 < Seddon> next step, binding mediation
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20:23 < ChrisGualtieri> No one wants me on binding mediation >.>
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20:24 < ChrisGualtieri> I'd be issuing rulings left and right for 'avoid each other for 2 weeks' >.>
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20:25 < ChrisGualtieri> Hi
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20:27 < Isarra> There is a hole in my finger.
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20:29 < Isarra> It's full of dirt.
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20:29 < Pharos> wash it?
20:29 < Elduen> "I've got a finger of dirt! I've got a finger of dirt! And guess what's inside it!"
20:29 < Isarra> It hurts. o__o
20:30 < Isarra> Oh, actually, Pharos, that helped.
20:30 < Isarra> Thank you.
20:30 < Pharos> i'm full of ideas!
20:30 < Elduen> Hey Pharos, what can I do about this rash...?
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20:31 < Pharos> first, wash it!
20:31 < Pharos> then, consider aloe.
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20:38 * Ironholds sighs
20:38 < Ironholds> bored.
20:38 * Shearonink tired
20:39 < Isarra> Ironholds: Do you know php?
20:39 < Isarra> I gave up on my pile of dirt, and if you're bored, I could use help.
20:40 < Isarra> Especially if you're familiar with wikimedia's server configuration.
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20:42 < Pharos> http://eyebeam.org/events/jean-claude-van-jam !
20:44 < Pharos> this is wonderful
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20:51 < Ironholds> Isarra: a tiny bit
20:51 < Ironholds> what do you need to know?
20:51 * Ironholds hugs Headbomb
20:51 < Ironholds> and also heatherw. oops.
20:51 < heatherw> OOPS
20:51 < Isarra> When you're including something, it just does the something and then goes back, right?
20:51 < Headbomb> teh double-whut?
20:51 < Headbomb> IH wants to hug me?
20:51 < Headbomb> are you ill?
20:52 * Isarra hugs Headbomb.
20:52 < Ironholds> Headbomb: no, I mis-tabbed
20:52 < Ironholds> Isarra: as in, include ('blah.php');?
20:52 < Headbomb> that would explain
20:52 < Ironholds> heatherw: how was pizza?
20:52 < Isarra> Ironholds: Yes.
20:52 < heatherw> it was okay
20:52 < heatherw> how is work?
20:52 < Ironholds> Isarra: it includes it and goes forward. I'm not sure if it goes back; why not test?
20:53 < Isarra> Can I, like, iterate through a list of things and include the same thing over and over?
20:53 < Jasper_Deng> hey, does someone besides me think that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shakgenii constitutes chronic linkspam?
20:53 < Ironholds> heatherw: it is good. I am alternating between finishing a strategy doc and writing a blog post.
20:53 < Ironholds> Isarra: in the same file?
20:53 < Isarra> Yes. O_o
20:53 < Ironholds> you can, but you don't need to. Are you trying to include variables from another file, or...?
20:53 < heatherw> i think sarah and i have decided to have a de-editathon
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20:53 < Ironholds> because if so, the variable name transitions over
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20:54 < Ironholds> so if you have $foo in blah.php, which you include in index.php, $foo will work happily in index.php
20:54 < Isarra> I want php to use the included file multiple times.
20:54 < Isarra> To, er... execute the stuff it has.
20:54 < Ironholds> ahh
20:54 < Ironholds> huh.
20:54 < Isarra> >.>
20:54 < Ironholds> hmn. I honestly don't know the answer to that, I'm afraid
20:54 < Ironholds> doing it will either work perfectly or cause a world of pain
20:54 < Isarra> Are you at least less bored now?
20:54 < Headbomb> i vote for the world of pain
20:55 < Headbomb> much more exciting
20:55 < Ironholds> Isarra: indeed!
20:55 < Ironholds> heatherw: like, a wikipedia-free period?
20:55 < heatherw> no like, deconstruct vanity articles
20:55 < Ironholds> ah. example?
20:55 < heatherw> and other not-so-good ones
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21:09 < Russavia> Bidgee or Beria you about?
21:09 < Beria> yes Russavia
21:09 < Russavia> Beria I am sending u a doc to.email
21:10 < Beria> ok
21:10 < Russavia> I am on iPad so can't copy paste...
21:10 < Frood> Russavia: your nickname is too capital :P
21:10 < Russavia> Could you please paste the text into an empty email and send back to me plis?
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21:11 < Beria> yes
21:11 < Russavia> Sent
21:11 < Russavia> Beria I lug you lol
21:11 < Russavia> Lub
21:12 < Russavia> Damn auto correct
21:13 < Beria> done ;)
21:14 < Russavia> Thank you my darling
21:15 < Beria> no prob le m my love ;)
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21:16 < Russavia> She loves me! *blush*
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21:17 < Russavia> Is anyone here familiar with incubator and articles there?
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21:19 < Russavia> I have an editor who offered to translate polandball into Ga language Which is gaa . . . Funnily enough it would be their first article in that incubator lol
21:20 < Russavia> That is a pisser I must say
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21:24 < Jasper_Deng> !admin can someone please get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shakgenii blocked?
21:24 < Jasper_Deng> no AIV response
21:24 < Jasper_Deng> serial linkspammer
21:26 < Earwig> Jasper_Deng: ya got it
21:26 < Jasper_Deng> Earwig: thanks
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21:48 * Isarra overwhelms Peter-C with CHEER.
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22:04 < harej> bass head!
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22:10 < suicidalzerg> Aw horse testicles.
22:10 < suicidalzerg> Fuckin birds ate the peppers off my Jalapeno plants
22:11 < harej> :[
22:12 < suicidalzerg> Too bad they're immune to Capsaicin too...
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22:13 < suicidalzerg> SO they can keep coming back to them without giving a fuck
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22:14 < lexein> I need a q answered. I have a newish editor at -en-help. 220.255.2.120 or 220.255.2.172 (dynamic IP) Jerry___
22:14 < lexein> He got blocked trying to edit as an IP, then registered as [[User:Uuu100145j]] and asked on his reg. User page about the block. I checked those IPs and they are NOT blocked, so he must have landed on a blocked one in the pool.
22:14 < lexein> Shearonink tells me the IP address was "confirmed proxy server"
22:14 < lexein> [22:03] Shearonink recently reported forum spam source
22:14 < lexein> So my queastion is this: if he logs in registered, will WP/WMF filters still block his IP address if he occasionally lands on a blocked IP, and prevent him logging in as reg?
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22:24 < Mdann52> How can that be?!
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22:25 < Tasmania> I hear there is a Wikipedia Meetup in Tasmania?
22:25 < harej> I haven't heard.
22:26 < lexein> Mdann52 - which part?
22:26 < Mdann52> ?
22:27 < lexein> [22:24] Mdann52 How can that be?!
22:27 < Mdann52> Oh... Ironholds leaving :)
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22:57 < IDoH> Hey
22:57 * IDoH has discovered sTiki
22:59 < Mdann52> :)
22:59 < Mdann52> How long did it take you?
22:59 < IDoH> A few days of ClueNet server being down, at least
23:00 < Mdann52> :)
23:01 * Isarra growls menacingly at ANI and orders it to cooperate under pain of chicken.
23:01 < Mdann52> Bit of advice -.if you want a tool that works all the time, don't use igloo
23:01 < IDoH> Isarra, I'd avoid AN/I
23:01 < IDoH> Mdann52: It worked okayish for me for a while
23:01 * lexein thinks this was a bad week to stop sniffing igloo
23:01 < Mdann52> I just laugh at it :)
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23:01 < Isarra> IDoH: I'm just trying to get some js working. ANI makes a nice test page. >.>
23:01 < Isarra> And I don't feel bad about abusing it.
23:02 < IDoH> Why, lexein?
23:02 < IDoH> Sorry for being dense, Isarra, but how do you test out javascripts on ANI?
23:02 < Isarra> I save the js and then I see if it's started working yet. >.>
23:02 * lexein (_Airplane_ (film)) reference
23:03 * Isarra never did entirely master js testing.
23:03 < Isarra> WAAAAAGH so many templates on that. o__o
23:03 < IDoH> Isarra: You do that by going to ANI
23:03 < IDoH> ?
23:04 < Isarra> The js is supposed to collapse the transclusion list.
23:04 < Isarra> ANI has 83 templates transcluded on it. >.<
23:04 < IDoH> No idea what you're talking about, but have fun doing it.
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23:05 < Mdann52> I went mad with my userpage once and got 109 templates transcended onto it
23:05 < Isarra> No, wait, only 82.
23:05 < Isarra> Whoops.
23:06 < Isarra> Lessee if I can figure out how to add the transclusion count onto the thing itself...
23:07 < IDoH> What does "transclusion" mean?
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23:07 < lexein> What doesn't it mean?
23:07 < Isarra> Page is included in another page - like a template. So {{infobox whatever}} transcludes that infobox...
23:08 < Mdann52> Where you put {{example}}, and it appears on the page
23:08 < IDoH> Oh, I see
23:08 < Isarra> It's a fancy word for what happens when you call a template.
23:08 < IDoH> Cool
23:08 < IDoH> How is that different from subst'ing?
23:09 < Isarra> It's... calling it without putting the wikitext on the page.
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23:24 < Isarra> Oh, wait, I was looking at AN instead of ANI for some reason.
23:24 < Isarra> Pity.
23:24 * Elduen puts a bucket on Isarra's head.
23:24 < Elduen> Have you noticed that I'm useless?
23:24 < Elduen> Since joining this channel I haven't contributed anything.
23:24 < Isarra> We need to find someone to adopt you.
23:24 < Isarra> Go make someone adopt you.
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23:24 < Riley> We need to find someone to kill me
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23:25 < Riley> Tip of the day: Never paste the new title when moving a page.
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23:25 < Ironholds> Riley: accidental spaces or underscores?
23:26 < Isarra> Or perhaps something about namespaces?
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23:31 < Elduen> Or simply accidentally failing to actually copy the new title, resulting in moving the article to <whatever was last on your clipboard>?
23:32 < Riley> That would suck so much....
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23:45 < harej> I AM CONFUSED BY THIS DOCUMENT
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