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Suspected sockpuppeteer

Template:User5 ("OIC")

Suspected sockpuppets

Template:User5 ("DT5")
Template:User5 ("Z85")

Evidence

Checkuser

Previous discussions

Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2#Sockpuppetry

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive98#Alleged sockpuppetry by Orderinchaos

User talk:Orderinchaos/Archive 08#Explanation

OIC's and Z85's explanations

  • OIC: 04:59, 3 August 2007
    • "…I am not a sockpuppeteer…"
    • "…Unfortunately, I chose to allow my friends to use my computer on a number of occasions when they stayed here, and my own addiction to Wikipedia wasn't enough to keep me off it when I was at theirs. I can't recall exact times and dates, but there would have been a few as I do not have a car and User:Zivko85, who lives nearby, often gives me a lift home from places."
    • "DanielT5 once stayed at my house for four days a few months ago when his accommodation arrangements fell through."
  • OIC: 05:10, 3 August 2007
    • "I did know about Zivko85's vote before he voted (although it was his choice to place it), I didn't know about DanielT5's (actually was SMSd about it by another contributor while in a lecture at uni). In retrospect there are some things I would seriously have done a lot differently (mainly with regards to who I let use my machine when they visit, which in the case of Zivko85 is rather frequent)"
  • OIC: 07:34, 3 August 2007
    • "Obviously the situation which had prevailed until Tuesday or Wednesday, where my friends edited Wikipedia when they visited my house, or vice versa, is now no longer going to be the case, and I feel like an absolute idiot for not thinking of this (especially given I took precautions to ensure my admin rights were not compromised)."
  • OIC: 10:18, 6 August 200710:24, 6 August 200710:27, 6 August 2007
    • "Yes, two people edited reasonably often from my computer, and I edited reasonably often from theirs..
    • "yes, it looks damning. But in effect I have imposed my own judgement on my future actions by abstaining from AfDs and other community votes for a period of time and have decided to deny anyone further access to my computer/internet connection if it's to be used"
    • A final note - It's easy to come to the conclusion from the checkuser evidence that I somehow had influence over how other people voted, and/or they voted (a particular way) because I did. In several cases, however, we were directed to particular discussions by unrelated individuals and came to similar conclusions, and in other cases, their ideas actually informed mine. As far as I know, it is not against WP policy to discuss a debate offline, as long as no coordination takes place. Ironically, one log I saw somewhere suggested far more coincidence of votes between myself and another user not considered here, than with either of the two people using my internet connection."
  • Z85: 03:44, 3 August 2007
    • "Orderinchaos is a close personal friend of mine."
    • "DanielT5 is my partner (as in we are in a relationship) and presently lives with me. Being a student in from the country, he has no reliable Internet access and usually uses either mine or Orderinchaos's."
    • "We often meet up for lunch, and being only one suburb apart, sometimes spend weekends (and even weeknights) together."

Meatpuppetry or sockpuppetry?

"I have but one further question, if you'll indulge me, Orderinchaos: granting that DanielT5 and Zivko85 are individuals distinct from one another and from you, was there any time at which you'd posted under their usernames, or any time when one of them might have posted under yours?"08:40, 7 August 2007
This question remains unanswered.

Alleged misconduct

Vote stacking

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Orderinchaos
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wikidudeman
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion

Orderinchaos wrote, "Also, any WP policies and guidelines applying to actions taken on a user relate to two things - the level of damage or disruption caused, and the concept of a preventative rather than punitive measure. The former, as a few people have already highlighted, affected a small number of AfDs…"10:18, 6 August 2007

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlingford Court
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westfield North Rocks
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Hoodoo Voodoo Dolls
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Brisbane suburbs
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Courtney Murphy
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Mitchell
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Railpage Australia (2)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/78 Records (2nd nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Western Australian JSHAA Member Schools
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of South Australian JSHAA Member Schools
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Victorian JSHAA Member Schools
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aquinas College Salter Point Campus
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rosetta Stoned
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mars Bar
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Australian general election campaign, 2006
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western Australian general election campaign, 2005
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Out Now Consulting (2nd Nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sally Sara
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Vicary
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Visevic
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Arrigo
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian International College of Art
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2003 Melbourne thunderstorm
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ANCA (company)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ogalo
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Events and Trivia on Get This
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wild about fruit Company
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Network Video
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Herring Surf
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyndal Eckersley
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of guest hosts on Get This
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derrimut Heath Primary School
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reject Shop
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Connect Financial
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kings Christian Church
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eccpasian
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elanora State High School
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern District Times
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delone Catholic High School
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karrinyup Shopping Centre
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ardross Primary School
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hampton Park Primary
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Rules for Boats
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/QStik Records
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/This Vital Chapter
  • OIC nominates for deletion: 01:38, 25 July 2007
  • OIC modifies to delete or merge: 02:45, 25 July 2007
  • Z85 votes to merge: 05:45, 25 July 2007
  • Comment: This is the only the second instance noticed thusfar where Z85 appears to disagree with OIC about anything, and does so as conspicuously ("hence I disagree with the nom that there is "quite literally nothing to merge") as the disagreement is trivial.

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 March 3#Template:WA JSHAA Members
Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 May 18#Template:AustralianMorningNewsShowsat6

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2007 January 3#Perth

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jeendan
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Potters house
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Cruftcruft

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 March 3#Guildford chapel → Guildford Grammar School Chapel
  • DT5 nominates redirects for deletion:

20:09, 3 March 2007

  • OIC supports deletion:

04:23, 4 March 2007

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2007 March 3#see list below → Aquinas College, Perth

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/July#Merge of Cat:Gosford suburb geography stubs and Cat:Wyong Shire geography stubs
Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/July#Merge of stub types entering Cat:Hunter region geography stubs

Wikipedia:Attribution/Poll

Talk page polls

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Renaming of general election to federal and state election
Talk:Croatian War of Independence

Reviews own work

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Peer review/Hamersley, Western Australia

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hamersley, Western Australia

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Hamersley, Western Australia/archive1

Violates WP:3RR

Western Australian general election, 2005

Tag-team harassment of OIC opponents

User:Joestella

Evidence that DT5 and Z85 are sockpuppets of OIC

Slip-ups

Posts message as DT5 while logged in as OIC

Here OIC posts a message to his own talk page that was meant to be posted as DT5:

Flailing ensues:

DT5 attributes OIC ANI post to himself

In this ANI thread, DT5 attributes OIC's previous post to himself:

This is quickly amended:

Edit times

Shared phrases/onsets

"If you…, [friendly offer]"

"If you…, I'm open to [suggestions/ideas]"
  • OIC:
    • "If you feel this is unclear, I'm open to suggestions for wording changes."15:08, 9 June 2007
  • DT5:
"If you (know of any) […], feel free/don't hesitate to"
See also: 02:46, 4 June 2007
  • Z85:
    • "If you know of any other venues, festivals or events with articles please don't hesitate to pop them in…"14:40, 23 May 2007

"[I am] happy to…"

"I am happy to [accept/assume]…"
See also: 13:19, 8 April 200715:12, 8 April 200723:36, 21 June 2007
"[Am/I would be] happy to see if I can [help]"
"Am happy to…"

"Note that…4 days/2 hours ago"

See also: 06:58, 31 July 2007
  • DT5:
    • "Note that these extreme reversions and content changes only began 2 hours ago…"16:48, 11 April 2007

"I am disappointed that…"

  • OIC:
    • "I am disappointed that I was not consulted by the user before raising these allegations publicly…"04:59, 3 August 2007
  • DT5:
    • "I am disappointed that you have chosen to express your opinion by way of attacking good faith editors on a poll page."18:40, 31 March 2007

"Case of…"

"BTW…"

See also: 12:53, 7 March 2007

Shared phrases/conflict

"antagonistic/aggressive/extreme behaviour [won't] (tolerate)"

"[create an article/essay]…to make a point (violates/overrule consensus)"

See also: 15:42, 18 June 2007
  • DT5:
    • "…that if one person is just disruptive enough that they can overrule consensus and Wikipedia to make a point."03:16, 16 April 2007
See also: 13:12, 8 April 2007

"refusal to seek consensus [edit warring and being uncivil instead]"

  • OIC:
    • "…unfortunately it was your refusal to seek consensus (violating the terms of the very official policy you cited), instead risking WP:3RR and making some very incivil comments towards fellow editors, and not assuming good faith towards them, which led to this situation."20:53, 19 June 2007
  • DT5:
    • "… his bad faith editing, snide comments, utter refusal to seek consensus on anything, long term edit warring, monologuing and other unWikipedian behaviour."16:44, 11 April 2007
  • Google:

"(pointless/silly) revert war(s)…inferior version(s)"

  • OIC:
    • "I'm somewhat relieved that we can actually look to develop this now rather than watch a continuing and pointless revert war between one inferior version and one slightly less inferior version."06:57, 11 April 2007
    • "However, revert wars usually incite stagnation rather than change as editors are forced into a battle between two inferior versions."15:42, 18 June 2007
  • DT5:
    • " if we can agree to end this silly revert war then maybe WP:AUSPOL will be the better for it and we'll start getting quality articles instead of time spent at AfD and having to defend existing(inferior) versions."13:19, 8 April 2007
See also: 04:30, 14 April 2007

Shared phrases/article evaluation

"(clearly) meet(s) (notability) standard/criteria/guidelines"

See also: 08:40, 2 March 200711:19, 10 March 200711:07, 4 June 200714:07, 5 June 2007
See also: 23:15, 27 May 200705:45, 25 July 2007

"(utterly/definitely) fails WP:CORP/WP:BAND/WP:N/WP:RS/WP:V"

See also: 12:04, 7 March 200702:29, 4 June 2007
See also: 23:15, 27 May 200723:31, 4 June 2007

"vague claims"

"(have/has) no place on an encyclopaedia"

(The variant spelling here is not a genuine difference; see: 04:42, 7 April 200704:30, 14 April 2007)

Shared phrases/miscellaneous

"the above"

"the above user/voter/user above"
"the above comment/post/quote"
See also: 21:22, 31 May 2007
"I agree with [the] above"
See also: 03:16, 16 April 2007

"without any/with no…whatsoever"

"raise [an] issue/issue[s] raised"

See also: 11:19, 10 March 200708:11, 31 March 200706:06, 30 June 200712:26, 17 July 2007
See also: 21:47, 31 May 2007
  • Z85:
    • "The WP:CENSOR issues raised worry me - we are here to build a collection of human knowledge with a wide collection of editors from every cultural background and walk of life, and censorship automatically raises the question…"08:15, 31 July 2007

"(not) entirely (un)"

"not entirely"
"entirely un…entirely un…"
  • OIC:
  • Z85:
    • "…this sort of racial labelling is entirely unacceptable on Wikipedia…is entirely unacceptable and offensive."05:37, 25 July 2007

"(somewhat) ambiguous/confusing […] [to speakers of English as a second language]"

Shared style

Near-synonyms juxtaposed with slashes

Emphasis with asterisks

"*not*"
"*current*"
"*quite*"
"*this*"
"*I*/*me*"
"*has*/*did*"
"*always*/*never*"

"2"…"10" (rather than "two"…"ten")

":)"

Shared edit summaries

"created my user page"

"oops […]"

"oopsie(s)"

"whoops […]"

"argh […]"

"…:)"

Appeal to Factiva