User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-05-02
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00:00 < IDoH> Maybe s/h/xe is conflicted.
00:00 < mareklug> IDoH so, is the 5 HHz radio stuff clear to you now?
00:00 < mareklug> GHz
00:00 < IDoH> Kind of.
00:00 < mareklug> what remains unclear?
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00:01 < IDoH> Not sure. Just taking it in.
00:02 < TOS> Hello guys
00:02 < IDoH> Hey TOS
00:02 < TOS> Whats up?
00:03 < IDoH> Nothing much. Yourself?
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00:04 < TOS> Me neither. Just creating some fun and eeriely distracting templates
00:04 < mareklug> TOS how is the girl search going on in metro Calcutta?
00:04 < TOS> mareklug: Who said I was searching for any girls?
00:04 < mareklug> you were here.
00:05 < mareklug> IDoH anyway, addihockey10 shits on Apple, but if someone gave him this toy http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0MS0LL/A/refurbished-imac-32ghz-quad-core-intel-core-i5 he would shit with happiness.
00:06 < IDoH> really? doubt it
00:06 < TOS> mareklug: But yeah. The search is still on
00:06 < mareklug> oh yeah. it is an excellent Windows machine, natively, in dual boot
00:07 < addihockey10> Quad core?
00:07 < addihockey10> Meh.
00:07 < addihockey10> How much?
00:08 < IDoH> Heh
00:09 < mareklug> quad core at 3.2 i5 that is optimized to screem with the best screen available at 27" all in a thin good looking package of aluminum and glass, not the shit box you are going to put together. click on the link to se how much. actually a nice price
00:09 < Bradford> Hi
00:09 < Bradford> Good morning
00:09 < Bradford> :D
00:10 < addihockey10> Mareklug I'm not using data
00:10 < TOS> Bon jour Bradford!
00:10 < mareklug> what does that mean addihockey10 ?
00:10 < Bradford> O_O
00:10 < mareklug> your great telephone and your subscription can't handle a URL with information?
00:10 < mareklug> you know, an Iphone or even an ipod touch can
00:10 < addihockey10> Loading the page will use a lot more data than you telling me.
00:11 < addihockey10> Lol what?
00:11 < mareklug> there is a lot of information on that page\
00:11 < mareklug> technical
00:11 < addihockey10> Canadian carriers suck
00:12 < mareklug> basically you are too poor to even have a conversation that involves looking up a URL and you diss Apple?
00:12 < addihockey10> What the hell are you on about?
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00:13 < mareklug> addihockey10 http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0MS0LL/A/refurbished-imac-32ghz-quad-core-intel-core-i5 <-- I want you to see this, price and tech specs, including weight and video.
00:14 < addihockey10> I can't right now..
00:14 < mareklug> there you go. an iPhone could.
00:14 < addihockey10> Send it in PM to haggis.
00:14 < zscout370> that is about 1/5 of my student loans to pay for that monitor
00:14 < addihockey10> Fuck yourself. An iPhone doesn't change my data plan.
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00:15 < mareklug> done
00:15 < mareklug> i mean, sent in PM. I am not going to masturbate on your command.
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00:16 < addihockey10> I have money because I don't spend on stuff I don't need. I don't need a 500gb plan.
00:18 < mareklug> addihockey10 I am going to spend on cell phone stuff about 50 dollars for the year starting 5/30 and ending on 5/30 in 2014. so…. you can't touch that.
00:19 < addihockey10> Ok, your point?
00:19 < addihockey10> What does your plan include.
00:19 < mareklug> that the machine I pointed to you is a reasonable machine for you.
00:19 < addihockey10> Maybe.
00:19 < mareklug> it includes talk.
00:19 < addihockey10> How much
00:20 < Bradford> Moe_Epsilon: :-*
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00:20 < mareklug> and it will change your mindset, plus you can continue to run windows both in dualboot and in virtual machine inside MacOS X. Btw, that machine is about 4 times faster than mine, at least.
00:20 < addihockey10> 10 minutes à year?
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00:21 < mareklug> addihockey10 I have now 1500 minutes that I will transfer for free to the thing I am getting that comes with 600 minutes and a year's worth of activation. I cannot possibly use up all that time, and I still have another phone with 1400 minutes on it.
00:22 < addihockey10> So no text or emails
00:22 < mareklug> that's (both) 2.43056 days of being on the phone nonstop, google calculator tells me. :)
00:22 < mareklug> days as in 24 hour jobbers
00:23 < mareklug> text and sms
00:23 < mareklug> and i can send email out, never tired to get any
00:23 < addihockey10> Text and small?
00:23 < addihockey10> SMS *
00:23 < mareklug> yes
00:23 < addihockey10> They're the same thing afaik
00:24 < mareklug> you have Tracfone in canada?
00:24 < mareklug> voice calls and sms then
00:24 < addihockey10> Don't know.
00:27 < kelapstick> no tracfone in canada
00:27 < mareklug> no, you appear not to. but you might have other prepaid alternatives. anyway, throwing money at phone data plans in North America is a rich fool's game
00:28 < kelapstick> you can get prepaid Telus, Bell, Rogers, and some others
00:28 < mareklug> this might be of help: http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php/326-Canadian-Prepaid-MVNO-Discussion
00:28 < mareklug> probably not as good a deal as Tracfone, but still
00:29 < mareklug> of course, Tracfone's customer service is from another planet. It's called Bangalore.
00:29 < kelapstick> no, tracfone is great, I used to have one when I lived in the US
00:30 < kelapstick> even prepaid isn't all that cheap in canada though, depends what you want though, I get data with mine, but I only use it four months of the year
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00:39 < legoktm> this weeks signpost doesnt have a tech report?
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00:48 < addihockey10> Legoktm we couldn't afford one
00:48 < legoktm> oh well, i complained :P
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01:04 < Isarra> Guys.
01:04 < Isarra> Eigenstuff.
01:05 < Isarra> STUFF.
01:05 * Isarra collapses on the channel.
01:05 < legoktm> Writing this tech report is harder than I thought.
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01:08 < Isarra> Doing things in general is harder than I thought.
01:09 < SuicidalZerg> I think my alarm clock is fuckin haunted or someshit
01:10 < SuicidalZerg> I set it for 11 AM...
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01:10 < SuicidalZerg> ...and it just went off at 2:07 AM for no apparent reason
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01:10 < Isarra> It loves you.
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01:10 < Isarra> It's trying to express it the only way it knows.
01:10 < Bradford> Isarra: :-*
01:10 < Bradford> IDoH: Emmmuachhh
01:11 < IDoH> What?
01:11 < Isarra> What?
01:11 < SuicidalZerg> What?
01:11 < Bradford> What?
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01:11 < IDoH> What does Emmmauchhh means?
01:11 < Bradford> xD
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01:13 < Isarra> Why did you ping us?
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01:14 < Bradford> Hey russavia_ :)
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01:26 < mareklug> Bradford pendejo, decime: ¿Por qué las reinas de belleza venezolanas siempre tienen tetas falsas y otras cirugías?
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01:46 < mareklug> my best download result yet, 57.61 Mbps with 9 ping! http://www.speedtest.net/result/2682774323.png
01:48 < IShadowed> mareklug, die
01:49 < mareklug> well, it is Comcast, and I am paying only 29.99 a month for the next 6 months, so it is reason to celebrate
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02:03 < SigmaWP> night
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03:11 < Peter-C> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/935768_10152818254095515_510784919_n.jpg
03:11 < Peter-C> 'Merica
03:12 < mareklug> MJ94 is gettin 12 inches of snow
03:12 < mareklug> he he he
03:13 < mareklug> on May the 2nd. Imagine that.
03:13 < mareklug> 83 degrees in San Francisco. That's tropical for them.
03:14 < Peter-C> O-o
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03:17 < mareklug> snow in Kansas City, 88 in LA and wild forest fires in the hills, 12" of snow in Duluth, 67 degrees in Chicago, 83 in San Francisco, 50 in Dallas.
03:17 < mareklug> crazy
03:17 < Peter-C> It's going to 76 today
03:17 < Peter-C> I hate this
03:17 < Peter-C> :(
03:17 < mareklug> 76 in nyc sound ideal
03:18 < Peter-C> Ew
03:18 < Peter-C> 60 is my temperature
03:18 < Peter-C> Little cold, but not too bad
03:18 < mareklug> dallas for you
03:18 < Peter-C> :D
03:18 < Peter-C> I ahve a problem
03:19 < Peter-C> This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O9Y1sEmyymw#t=30s
03:19 < Peter-C> I was blasting this song on the way to a call
03:19 < Peter-C> Fist pumping and all
03:19 < TOS> Any admins here?
03:20 < mareklug> TOS are you trying to date admins now?
03:20 < TOS> mareklug: No. that will be too risky if I left her
03:20 < TOS> This is about a deleted page I want userfied
03:21 < mareklug> she might cut off your wikipipi
03:21 < TOS> So any admins here?
03:21 < Ushau97> !admin TOS: Any admins here?
03:21 < Ushau97> is there a command to ping admins
03:22 < legoktm> …..
03:22 < legoktm> you just did
03:22 < legoktm> but thats for urgent requests.
03:22 < Ushau97> oh I was testing
03:23 < TOS> Any admins here?
03:23 * addshore slaps Ushau97
03:23 < addshore> TOS potentially :P
03:23 < TOS> Ah
03:23 * Ushau97 slaps TOS
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03:24 < TOS> Could you userfy [[NNG (company)]]?
03:24 < TOS> Its a deleted article, and the author wants to work on it
03:24 * TOS says Ow!
03:25 * Ushau97 is sorry
03:25 < addshore> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Addshore/sandbox&oldid=553177544
03:25 < mareklug> Peter-C that was ok
03:25 < Peter-C> the song?
03:25 < mareklug> yeah
03:25 < Peter-C> It is a good song
03:26 < TOS> User:Patrik Putz NNG/sandbox will be a good place to put it
03:26 < Peter-C> But I look like a douche when I open up all the windows and blast that song on to a call while fist pumpinh
03:26 < Peter-C> I look like I am part of the cast of the Jersey Shore
03:27 < mareklug> Peter-C not as good as this song, though, not to mention the song-singing talent, erm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bF6QipA3iQ
03:27 < TOS> addshore: Got it. Thanks
03:30 < addshore> np :)
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03:42 < mareklug> Peter-C this is also neat. First single by Annie (Norwegian singer) in 4 years, out a few days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vW4pTe0yRAc
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03:44 < Peter-C> good stuff
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04:16 < mareklug> Peter-C some more pulsating Scandinavians for ya. (this is from an upcoming album to be released 21 May) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oG6qtjvjrdI#! Club 8 - "Stop Taking My Time" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club%208
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05:21 < mareklug> http://www.firstnews.co.uk/news/officials-release-banned-baby-name-list-i9389 "OFFICIALS in New Zealand have published a list of baby names they have rejected for being too weird."
05:22 < mareklug> Moon UNit could never have been born in the fascist republic of New Zealand
05:23 < mareklug> russavia "President Vladimir Putin awarded Valery Gergiev, director of the Mariinsky Theatre in St. Petersburg, a Hero of Labor award, a Soviet-era distinction restored by the Russian leader this year."
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05:29 < moogsi> "Another banned baby name type is the one which simply indicates which position the child finds his or herself in the family order. '2nd', '3rd' and '5th' were all rejected!"
05:30 < moogsi> i bet that was one family just trying it over again :)
05:31 < moogsi> it's not actually an uncommon practice to name children 1st, 2nd, etc
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05:31 < moogsi> ancient rome and japan spring to mind
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05:33 < moogsi> it's not as bad as iceland... it has an approved list of names
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05:34 < moogsi> one stipulation being that the name has to be declinable in Icelandic
05:35 < mareklug> moogsi what about Emilíana Torrini? she is Icelandic, albeit daughter of an Italian father.
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05:35 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil%C3%ADana_Torrini
05:35 < moogsi> people born to Icelandic parents, there are exceptions for foreigners
05:36 < mareklug> "Because of name regulations in Iceland at the time, her father Salvatore Torrini had to change his name to "Davíð Eiríksson", which also implied that Emilíana Torrini had to use the surname after her father in the traditional way; "Emilíana Torrini Davíðsdóttir". A few years later, the name regulations were changed,[1] and she was again allowed to use her original surname.[2][3]"
05:36 < mareklug> looks like name regulations are poof, too.
05:37 < moogsi> ah
05:37 < moogsi> good
05:38 < mareklug> well, it is still a bit strict http://eng.innanrikisraduneyti.is/information/nr/125
05:39 < moogsi> there was that couple in New Jersey who named their children "JoyceLynn Aryan Nation" and "Adolf Hitler"
05:39 < moogsi> Adolf Hitler Campbell
05:41 < moogsi> "The Campbells, who have denied they are neo-Nazis, made headlines in January 2009 when a supermarket refused to decorate a birthday cake for their son Adolf Hitler"
05:41 < mareklug> that is still a small venial sin as compared to the mother who bought that 5yearold in kentucky a real gun marketed for kids as "My First Rifle", complete with a pink-colored stock.
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05:42 < mareklug> he is minus his kid baby sister now.
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05:46 < moogsi> mareklug: interesting link about Iceland... it seems it is still a bit odd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Naming_Committee
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05:49 < mareklug> INdeed, Laxness did use Blær in "Independent People", I think. I might be misremembering
05:50 < moogsi> weirdly relevant that Laxness changed his name from Guðjónsson
05:50 < moogsi> before it became forbidden in 1925
05:51 < mareklug> well, it always was a pseudonym.
05:51 < moogsi> ah so it mightn't have been a legal change of name
05:53 < moogsi> i think Icelandic is a pretty language... would like to know more about it but it's not really a useful thing to know
05:53 < mareklug> no, I misremembered fair enough: it is The Fish Can Sing, original title Brekkukotsannáll
05:53 < mareklug> http://laxnessintranslation.blogspot.com/2010/08/fish-can-sing.html
05:54 < Swob> icelandic is a mouthful
05:55 < mareklug> the original title does not match the English phrase used. I think it is a place name.
05:55 < moogsi> "laxness in translation" just sounds like someone couldn't be bothered to translate it properly :P
05:55 < Swob> "Brekkukot Identification eel"
05:55 < mareklug> or somethign along the lines the tale of brekkutot
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05:56 < Swob> i added a space before áll and google translate gave me that
05:56 < Swob> Brekkukot might be a place name
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05:56 < Swob> Brekku = slope, apparently (maybe bridge?)
05:56 < mareklug> actually, the English translations read for the most part very well. Magnus Magnusson did a number of the important ones and he is a prof at Glasgow, or was. not sure he is still alive
05:57 < moogsi> nope
05:57 < Swob> barkingfish would know
05:57 < moogsi> he was quite famous as a broadcaster in the UK
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05:57 < mareklug> wiki knows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Magnusson
05:57 < mareklug> died in 20007
05:58 < mareklug> 2007
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06:00 < Swob> járn brú = iron bridge
06:00 < mareklug> swob brekkukot IS a place name. it is featured in the book
06:00 < Swob> ok
06:01 < mareklug> "As we read The Fish Can Sing, we ponder, along with Álfgrímur, what the Superintendent does for a living, the nature of the strange people who come to stay in the mid-loft at Brekkukot, whether we will ever hear Garðar Hólm sing, what will become of Little Miss Gúðmúnsen as well as the lovely Blær, the appeal of lumpfish, and whether the learning of Latin will benefit Álfgrímur. These questions, and so many more, flavor the book with
06:01 < mareklug> subtle confusion akin to being a very young man or young woman all over again."
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06:02 < mareklug> it's not fair that the 2010s Blaer was not recognized as a oficial girl, when Halldor Laness invented her from whole cloth in 1957 when he already had a Nobel.
06:02 < moogsi> i think i'd cope quite well with learning a heavily-inflected language... i did Attic Greek for 3 years and that's very much a "36 words for /the/" kind of language
06:03 < mareklug> Laxness *
06:04 < mareklug> I think the Icelandic committee should have recgnized that it was dealing with established canon of Icelandic culture, albeit contemporary/modern.
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06:04 < a930913> Has anybody made a tool that for a given sentence/paragraph, finds a book (that is not available online) that looks related to the text, and makes a citation out of it? It would make for a CV's worst nightmare :p
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06:07 < mareklug> "On 31 January 2013, the Reykjavík district court ruled in the family's favour and overruled the naming committee, finding that Blær could in fact be both a man's and a woman's name and that Blær had a constitutional right to her own name, and rejecting government claims that it was necessary to deny her request in order to protect the Icelandic language.[11] "
06:07 < Swob> hehe
06:07 < Swob> "the naming committee"
06:07 < mareklug> "After the court's decision, Iceland's interior minister confirmed that the government would accept the ruling and would not appeal the case to the country's Supreme Court.[12][13] The chair of the naming committee, as well as a spokesman for the Ministry of the Interior, said the ruling in Blær's case could prompt the government to revisit the current laws on personal names.[2]"
06:07 < Swob> thats one of the quaint things about European countries
06:08 < mareklug> the chair of the naming committee should have committed ritual sepuku with a whale bone, or however it is done in the sagas
06:08 < moogsi> that's one of the quaint things about people outside Europe
06:08 < moogsi> homogenizing it into one mass
06:09 < moogsi> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/blær it does of course grammatically agree with Icelandic.. baby steps, naming committee
06:09 < moogsi> baby steps
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06:10 < tttb> i ran before i walked
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06:14 < mareklug> heh. http://sagadb.org Welcome to the Icelandic Saga Database <-- try searching for: suicide
06:15 < moogsi> no results. interesting ads from Google
06:15 < Swob> no hits
06:15 < mareklug> obviously incomplete db for English anyway
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06:16 < mareklug> let's try then sjálfsvíg
06:17 < mareklug> no results!!!!
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06:18 < moogsi> hmm
06:18 < moogsi> seems like no-one ever killed themselves in a saga then
06:18 < Swob> must be
06:19 < Swob> i think suicide was invented in the 1960s
06:19 < moogsi> :)
06:20 < mareklug> wrong. http://books.google.com/books?id=0j0l7rQaf68C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=suicide#v=onepage&q=suicide&f=false
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06:21 < Swob> cmon man, do you really expect us to believe that. it even says "false" at the end of the URL
06:21 < mareklug> it says f=false
06:21 < mareklug> no clue what the fuck that means
06:21 < mareklug> meaybe it means fuck
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06:22 < mareklug> anyway, i found you at least one paraphrase of a saga featuring suicide. maybe in the actual text it takes a sentence.
06:23 < mareklug> http://books.google.com/books?id=0j0l7rQaf68C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=suicide this works too
06:24 < mareklug> but it creates the other params
06:24 < mareklug> maybe it means flow
06:24 < Swob> ♥♥♥♥♥
06:28 < mareklug> Swob you know how many Marina and the Diamonds cheeks it took to harvest all those black hearts?
06:29 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKNcuTWzTVw
06:31 < Swob> Greek + Welsh is a good blend
06:31 < mareklug> it's a nutt, intoxicating blend. this woman is...
06:31 < mareklug> nutty *
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06:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> greek and welsh?
06:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why not mix chinese and welsh? with greek on top
06:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> one hell of a salad
06:44 < mareklug> there are some really pretty Chilean-Swedes
06:44 < mareklug> and Polish-Vietnamese
06:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we werent talking about salads?
06:45 < mareklug> the salad days of multicultural world
06:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its all human culture
06:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd call it mono-culture
06:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :p
06:45 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_days <-- my continuing education of you re: English idioms
06:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am aware of english idioms, I just take them literally for comical effect
06:46 < Swob> never heard that before
06:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do you think I mentioned salads?
06:46 < mareklug> I don't trust you. You are the only person I know who confused Iowa with Ohio, to the tune of even claiming that you were at the airport in Iowa, which could only mean a diverted flight to Des Moines, which just never happens.
06:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so I am supposed to know all 50 states?
06:47 < mareklug> considering that you WERE PHYSICALLY in Michigan. I would say, yes.
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06:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why would I need to know the states surrounding it?
06:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> provided I never visited any one of them
06:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> aside from a brief hop on a plane where I spent like 10-20 minutes on the state below michigan
06:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I didnt exactly have time to even check where I was, only thing I was looking for was for a gate
06:49 < mareklug> Port Columbus International Airport. a place I know well.
06:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure, I dont.
06:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its useless info to me
06:50 < Swob> its forgivable to confuse Ohjio and Iowa
06:50 < Swob> its just like how Americans confuse Belgium and Bulgaria
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06:51 < Swob> similar name, neither one very famous, easy to confuse
06:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob or Czech republic and chechnia
06:51 < mareklug> no way. Bulgaria features food. Belgium features Belgian humor known as Belgian cooking.
06:51 < Swob> bulgaria is just another faceless country that wishes it was Greece
06:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> noone wishes to be greece
06:52 < mareklug> Swob some of the prettiest Slavic girls are from Bulgaria.
06:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Belgium used to be a part of the netherlands before the rebelion
06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they have local culture like all dutch dishes
06:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Belgium was rather busy and didnt exactly have time to come up with newer dishes in the past 130 years
06:53 < Swob> not enough blondes
06:54 < Swob> goota go north of the Alps
06:54 < mareklug> Swob they tend to be dark haired olive-skinned beauties with high cheek bones and rounded faces
06:55 < Swob> yeah
06:55 < Swob> like Asians
06:55 < Swob> but taller
06:56 < mareklug> https://www.facebook.com/BulgarianGirlsAreMostBeautifulInTheWorld
06:56 < mareklug> of course, you can probably find a facebook page under that title substituting X for Bulgarian some 210 different ways
06:57 < mareklug> but the pix are still worth a cursory look just the same
06:58 < Ironholds> and this is how you guys spend your spare time
06:58 < Swob> you used to be one of us
06:58 < mareklug> Ironholds "morning has broken, like the first morning, blackbird has spoken…"
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06:59 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sSEkZ86ts
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07:00 < Ironholds> Swob: I don't think I ever argued over the relative beauty of people based solely on their passport.
07:00 < Ironholds> if I did, I post-hoc slap myself.
07:01 < mareklug> it's ironic that now that he is Yusuf Islam he won't sing, except by intoning prayer
07:01 < mareklug> not passport, but ethnicity.
07:01 < mareklug> you can be a Bulgarian from Ethiiopia, i.e. with Bulgarian passport.
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07:02 < mareklug> also, the current Miss Israel IS from Ethiopia
07:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> she is jewish tho
07:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so clearly she is a pure breed
07:03 < mareklug> Jewish is not an ethnic condition, ToAruShiroiNeko.
07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I know it isnt
07:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but plenty claim it is
07:03 < mareklug> well, there are bloodlines that have kept themselves remarkably intact, which is a Jewish kinda thing. It has led to all kinds of unhappiness.
07:04 < russavia> what's the bet that this discussion will note end well
07:04 < russavia> *not
07:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 20 to 1
07:04 < mareklug> as soon as that happens, we will polandball it.
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07:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia you should start pokeballs
07:05 < russavia> from the Turkish side it will end with the palestinian side, and from the polish side who is the biggest martyr (poland or israel)
07:05 < russavia> and i'll do my best to prod it along in that direction ;)
07:05 < Swob> i was already looking up polandball comics to try to find one that i remembered from before, but i couldnt find it
07:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> police officer dies
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07:06 < Swob> id' say roughly 80% of polandball comics go right over my head
07:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> 2 other officers 5 soliders and 4 civilians also wounded
07:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *police officers
07:07 < russavia> really swob? very few go over mine -- dunno why
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07:07 < mareklug> russavia clearly Polish Jews were the biggest martyrs, so that is settled amicably
07:08 < russavia> :)
07:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-border-police-wounded-clashes-turkey-syrian-border-122740582.html
07:08 < russavia> now we'll just work on toaru with the gaza flotilla
07:09 < mareklug> has the Turkish PM been to Gaza yet? hope he is not going by boat
07:09 < mareklug> not that there is a functioning airport there. ie. one with intact runways
07:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I dont know
07:10 < russavia> why would a turk going to gaza on a boat be a problem mareklug
07:10 < russavia> did something happen? why did it happen if so?
07:11 < TheDruId> Maybe they can sponsor a float in the Tournament of the War of the Roses.
07:11 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the people on the flotila were unarmed civilians carying aid not weapons to gaza, israeli comandos raided the ship in international waters.
07:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whatever bullshit you are about to sprout, just keep that in mind.
07:12 < mareklug> russavia basically, there is a naval and air embargo on Gaza.
07:12 < mareklug> and the Egyptians built a tall wire fence on their side.
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07:14 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko your preemptive defensiveness is beguiling.
07:14 < Swob> egypt doesnt love the Palestinians?
07:14 < mareklug> nope
07:15 < mareklug> there wer eEgyptian military recently killed in attacks on Sinai
07:15 < mareklug> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57488629/16-egyptian-soldiers-killed-in-sinai-buried/
07:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why would I be defensive?
07:16 < mareklug> "(AP) CAIRO - Egypt on Tuesday buried the 16 soldiers killed by suspected Islamist militants near the borders with Gaza and Israel, as pressure built on Egypt's president not to ease restrictions on the Palestinian territory and to seek amendments in the peace treaty with Israel to allow more Egyptian troops on the border."
07:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I practically dont share any kind of political opinions with the people on tha flotila
07:17 < mareklug> "[09:12:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> whatever bullshit you are about to sprout, just keep that in mind." <-- so why WERE you DEFENSIVE *here*?
07:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I wasnt?
07:17 < mareklug> Swob he wasn't?
07:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I just dont like hearing bullshit
07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> am I on trial here?
07:18 < mareklug> did you hear any this hot new york minute?
07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can decipher that last sentence
07:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *can't
07:19 < mareklug> what part of this hot new york minute don't you get?
07:19 < Swob> i dont know how y'all got so serious
07:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRC is serious business
07:19 < mareklug> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=New%20York%20Minute
07:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I still dont get your question
07:20 < mareklug> was there any bullshit offered here now?
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07:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you were talking... so yeah
07:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> plenty of it
07:21 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko are you trolling, or are you serious? "you were talking… so yeah" what the fuck, ToAruShiroiNeko ?
07:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Swob current Egypt government is anti-israel and pro palestine naturally
07:22 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko do you want to be trouted?
07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> however they are in a passive-agressive mode
07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they arent exactly doing anything of substance
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07:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug I will not entertain this line of questioning from you anymore.
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07:23 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko go fuck yourself you little complicated nonlinear man
07:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sticks and stones
07:23 < sam> Spring is definitely my favourite season of all
07:23 < mareklug> good on ya.
07:24 < NotASpy> could we possibly all have a group hug and behave ?
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07:24 < mareklug> NotASpy as soon as you get Mr. Defensive to stop offending.
07:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy for what exactly?
07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am tired of mareklugs attempts to bait
07:25 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko I don't bait. you are hereby being officially trouted. that is not a bait. that is a fish used as a paddle.
07:25 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: that's why IRC is has the ignore function.
07:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
07:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but he does this often whenever I talk
07:26 < mareklug> NotASpy ToAruShiroiNeko is too dependent on me feeding him genuiine information
07:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mareklug at least learn to type
07:26 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko you are too low.
07:27 < NotASpy> enough people, it's one thing to disagree about content, politics etc, but to get into the realms of commenting on typing and the like, that's too far.
07:27 < NotASpy> Comment on the content, not the contributor applies here too.
07:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> indeed it is
07:27 < mareklug> it went too far when Mr. Defensive foreswore hearing any bullshit I was about to type
07:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its just the nonsense I have been getting here
07:28 < mareklug> considering there hasn't been any in this conversation, you are off.
07:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he can ignore me if he likes, I dont have this luxary unfotunately
07:29 < mareklug> why would I ignore you? I will happily pounce on you for saying stooooopid things.
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07:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> your high and all might attitude is the problem.
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07:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and you know it too.
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07:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you enjoy picking on me even when I am not even talking to you
07:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you interrupt any discussion I start with other people
07:31 < mareklug> ToAruShiroiNeko this must be the summer of your discontent.
07:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> stop trolling and I wont complain about your trolling.
07:32 < mareklug> forgive me for the gruesome image, but you sound like the irc incarnation of a burst pimple
07:32 < darev> Hello again!
07:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hi
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07:35 < TheDruId> darev, Howdy; nice to see you again.
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07:41 < odder> !admin please unblock me on en, thanks
07:42 < closedmouth> wat
07:42 < mareklug> odder! how did you get yourself blocked?
07:42 < odder> mareklug: an admin blocked me because I did two reverts
07:42 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&action=history
07:42 < mareklug> i have to see that.
07:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder arbcom? :p
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07:43 < odder> I didn't even violate any revert rules, I checked
07:43 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: dunno, whatever.
07:43 < Swob> 14:39, 2 May 2013 Floquenbeam (talk | contribs | block) blocked Odder (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 31 hours (Edit warring: to be undone the minute you promise not to remove a thread on someone else's talk page anymore)
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07:43 < odder> Swob: I noticed that, thanks
07:44 < Swob> i was posting it for others' reference
07:44 < Swob> oh look it's the child porn issue again
07:44 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=468666190
07:44 < Swob> havent seen that come up for almost a week
07:44 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=434157922
07:44 < Cookies52> Seems fine - you can be blocked for generic edit warring - it doesn't need to be 3RR
07:44 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=382730257
07:44 < NotASpy> odder: so you're here to solemnly promise not to edit war, yeah ?
07:45 < odder> I don't see him blocked for removing comments from Jimmy's talk page
07:45 < odder> NotASpy: not at all
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07:47 < NotASpy> odder: do you understand you cannot remove comments from another user's talk page ?
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07:48 < odder> NotASpy: no
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07:48 < mareklug> odder this is not black and white, but I think you erred in judgment here.
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07:49 < NotASpy> Those messages are for Jimmy, it's not a normal page for discussion like anywhere else. It's really up to Jimmy what he removes from the talk page, not you nor anybody else.
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07:51 < odder> mareklug: I don't think so—I'm feeling double standards being used here.
07:51 < IRWolfie-> I don't see why you were removing that thread
07:51 < odder> NotASpy: not really—I mentioned some links which clearly show that people are removing threads from Jimmy's talk page so often
07:52 < Fluffernutter> odder: personally, I find it odd that only one side of the revert war was blocked. But that doesn't mean you should be *unblocked* before you understand the problem; it only means the other side (in my view) ought to have been blocked too
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07:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder its jimbos talk page, its the definition of double standard
07:52 < mareklug> like I said, it is not black and white. it is not a case that one should NEVER remove stuff from someone else's talk page, what with Jimbo's page being something of a vitriolic man's village pump…. you zapped an entire thread including substantive comments. Not good.
07:52 < NotASpy> someone else doing something wrong doesn't permit you to do the same thing, odder.
07:52 < odder> nothing I haven't seen on Jimbo's talk page before
07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter you have a minute?
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07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I have been menaing to ask you something
07:53 < odder> mareklug: ^^
07:53 < Fluffernutter> not really, sorry. I'm running around as it is
07:53 < odder> NotASpy: but using double standards, and not even warning people before being blocked is cool with you?
07:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can you let me know when you are available?
07:53 < odder> before blocking them*
07:54 < odder> quality behaviour, surely.
07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder I was blocked on commons for the same reason
07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> for not even revert warring
07:54 < IRWolfie-> odder: you were blanking a significant portion of another editors talk page for no great reason
07:54 < odder> I did two reverts, the rules speak about three. What's the point of it being there in the first place, if admins can apply them as they want to?
07:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there are two types of contributors, sysops and nonsysops
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07:54 < odder> IRWolfie-: the thread was hostile, and harassing another user
07:54 < Fluffernutter> "Even without a 3RR violation, an administrator may still act if they believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring, and any user may report edit warring with or without 3RR being breached. The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." <---odder
07:55 < odder> I read that, so?
07:55 < IRWolfie-> odder: then report them to ANI if you wish
07:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter the context of the thread is borderline vandalism
07:55 < odder> the whole point is that I am blocked :)
07:55 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: that doesn't make sense
07:55 < Fluffernutter> so "I didn't revert three whole times" doesn't keep you clear of having been edit warring
07:55 < mareklug> odder since you are not tweaking your belief system despite consensus on this channel :) :) :) I suggest take a bit of rest and let the block ride. I know it sucks, but....
07:56 < odder> I think I might start trolling there, for the mere fun of it
07:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder you have to comply with the will of the channel. Rational discussion is out of the question.
07:56 < Fluffernutter> ...please don't do that
07:56 < IRWolfie-> odder: Wow, and you said you were an oversighter on commons?
07:56 < Fluffernutter> it's not likely to help anything, and it's very likely to end with you blocked even harder
07:56 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: I did notice that
07:56 < IRWolfie-> Commons attracts such quality
07:56 < odder> Fluffernutter: I am not editing en.wp too often, no harm done
07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- please do not talk about quality on commons when en.wikipedia is a very low bar
07:57 < odder> IRWolfie-: en.wp attracts such quality
07:57 < Fluffernutter> so then why are you so anxious toi be unblocked right now?
07:57 < russavia> odder: can you please come and do something on commons
07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> commons is far better in all aspects
07:57 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: pfft
07:57 < odder> Fluffernutter: it's just unfair when I know people are free to remove threads from Jimmy's talk page and are left free
07:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> en.wikipedia has seen cases where people claimed to have phds in theology
07:57 < odder> when I get blocked without a single warning
07:57 < IRWolfie-> by and large wikipedia works
07:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and baeed on that they gotten in to arbcom and stuff
07:58 < moogsi> umm can we all accept that we broadly share the same mission and hug each other?
07:58 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: On the internet anonymous people can claim anything. It's not a failing of wikipedia
07:58 < odder> not really, no, moogsi
07:58 < moogsi> odder: :(
07:58 < moogsi> WHY
07:58 < Fluffernutter> odder: perhaps ask Floquenbeam that, on your talk page? Have a discussion?
07:58 < odder> no, I don't think so, thanks for the offer though
07:59 < moogsi> it's ok, i know why... it makes me sad
07:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder I sent you a pm
07:59 * Fluffernutter sighs. Well, I think mareklug is right. If you're not willing to enter into discussion or try to understand how your behavior might not have been great, it's unlikely you're going to be unblocked.
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08:00 * Cookies52 just wishes everyone could just get on, and not worried about minor things
08:00 < TheDruId> Sarcasm, it's as if you never left...
08:00 < russavia> odder: the trick to getting unblocked on enwp is to 1) wikilawyer your ass off or 2) just tell them what they wanna here (I'll be a good boy lol)
08:00 < Cookies52> Sarcasm, was that sarcastic?
08:00 < odder> russavia: I don't care, fuck them all
08:01 < Sarcasm> Wot
08:01 < Cookies52> odder, watch the attacks, please
08:01 < russavia> sorry, scrub one -- you wikilawyer and lie your arse off to prevent yourself getting blocked
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08:01 < russavia> only honest people get blocked onenwp
08:01 < NotASpy> and only deluded people come onto IRC complaining about being blocked on IRC.
08:02 < NotASpy> *enwp
08:02 < odder> NotASpy: watch the attacks, please
08:02 < Fluffernutter> an honest person ate my dingo
08:02 < NotASpy> WP is a collaboration, you do not get to dictate to everybody else what you're doing to do.
08:02 < russavia> umm, no odder is not deluded...sure he's polish....but he's not deluded
08:02 < IRWolfie-> Editor who has been blocked ~17 times and is currently blocked giving tips about how not to get blocked.
08:02 < IRWolfie-> ^^
08:03 < mareklug> Fluffernutter dingo is a wild Australian dog. Yours did not look the part in the videoclip.
08:03 < NotASpy> Irony, it's getting creases out of clothes.
08:03 < russavia> IRWolfie- i sure a
08:03 < russavia> *i sure am
08:03 < russavia> IRWolfie- you watch the sparks fly when i return ;)
08:03 < Cookies52> :D
08:04 < TheDruId> NotASpy, http://www.despair.com/irony.html
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08:04 < Cookies52> Well, they didn't want to stick around
08:04 < NotASpy> Irony, just like bronzy and goldy...
08:05 < Fluffernutter> tungsteny is the best
08:05 < Cookies52> Irony, its just like NotASpy's jokes
08:06 < NotASpy> quite rusty and not all that strong.
08:06 < mareklug> odder tak naprawdę to mógłbyś obiecać, że się odwalisz od tego tematu i nie będziesz już więcej wycinał tamże, no i będzie po sprawie. Po co się stawiać honorowo.
08:07 < odder> mareklug: dlatego, że 2 rewerty to żaden edit war, a ktoś się poczuł jak Chuck Norris—to nie moja wina
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08:07 < odder> i dlatego, że mój block log na en jest teraz zasyfiony–a ja tego bardzo nie lubię
08:07 < mareklug> odder tak, ale to wypadek przy pracy, i nie każdy z miotłą jest pełnosprawny :)
08:08 < mareklug> no, wiem jak się czujesz; też mam zasyfiony
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08:08 < russavia> odder: I know that feel bro
08:09 < odder> mareklug: i to, co napisała Fluffernutter: albo blokujesz obie strony, albo nie blokujesz nikogo
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08:09 < russavia> so many feels
08:09 < odder> i blokowanie bez ostrzeżenia? dziwna maniera.
08:09 < Fluffernutter> that's not what I wrote, odder. I wrote that It'd odd they didn't block both siders, but that doesn't mean the blocks they did make were wrong
08:10 < odder> Fluffernutter: cieszę się, że Google Translate produkuje dobre tłumaczenie :)
08:10 < russavia> ummmm.....sorry to ask the obvious here -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Jimbo.2C_at_some_point_you.27re_going_to_have_to_tackle_commons -- why isn't this InconvenientCritic blocked?
08:10 < mareklug> naprawdę jest dobre!
08:10 < russavia> they are an obvious sock
08:10 < Fluffernutter> so am I!
08:10 < odder> mareklug: nie sprawdzałem tego nawet :)
08:11 < mareklug> "or blocking both sides, or you are not blocking anyone" nie na sto procent, ale nieźle
08:11 < russavia> fluffernutter -- just tell odder this -- he will be impressed no doubt -- tea who you yeah bunny
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08:11 < odder> I am alrady, russavia!
08:12 < russavia> :)
08:12 < odder> already*
08:12 < mareklug> no, he is al kaida. or al cohol
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08:12 < NotASpy> russavia: yes, but they're not doing anything wrong. It's permitted to use an obvious sock to prevent your own good account being dragged into a shit storm of controversy.
08:12 * Fluffernutter speaks juuuust enough bad czech to sort of vaguely have an idea of what people typing polish might be saying, but not enough to actually have a clue.
08:12 < russavia> ummm no its not
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08:13 < russavia> Seleucidis/Hortensja is living proof ofthat
08:13 < NotASpy> per WP:SOCK Editors who use unlinked alternative accounts, or who edit as an IP address editor separate from their account, should carefully avoid any crossover on articles or topics, because even innocuous activities such as copy editing, wikifying, or linking might be considered sock puppetry in some cases and innocuous intentions will not usually serve as an excuse.
08:13 * Cookies52 wonders is this is still an English Channel....
08:13 < russavia> notaspy i suggest you look at WP:SPI/Russavia
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08:13 < russavia> cookies52 -- these damned poles
08:13 < russavia> there's nothing you can do
08:14 < odder> mareklug: zresztą słyszałem już wcześniej, że en jest mega pokręcona i wieczne dramaty się tam odbywają, więc w sumie nie wypadłem źle
08:14 < russavia> although - - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_deal_with_Poles
08:14 < russavia> might offer some pointers
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08:14 < odder> mareklug: zastanawiam się, czy sobie całkowicie tego projektu nie odpuścić – Wikiźródła na przykład zawsze potrzebują pomocy :)
08:14 < mareklug> no tak, ale przyznasz, że pl też jest pokręcona na własny sposób.
08:15 < odder> mareklug: ale takich podwójnych standardów czy sytuacji z Hortensją to nie widziałem, a widziałem sporo
08:15 < russavia> also cookies52, these aren't REAL poles -- there's not a single kurwa anywhere
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08:16 < odder> russavia: nie obawiasz się, że wdawanie się w taką dyskusję to naruszenie twojego bana?
08:16 < odder> russavia: w końcu przecież IRC stanowi integralną część społeczności, czyż nie?
08:16 < mareklug> chyba nie
08:16 < russavia> nie
08:17 < odder> russavia: to odpowiedź na które pytanie?
08:17 < mareklug> na pl wiki właśnie tak by było :/
08:17 * Cookies52 breaks out Google translate
08:17 < russavia> mareklug: you spelled bydlo wrong
08:17 < odder> e, opcji z Hortensją sobie raczej nie wyobrażam
08:17 < Fluffernutter> rozumiemy punkt, chłopaki, ale może mieć to rozmowy w pm?
08:18 < odder> \o/
08:18 < mareklug> bydło not bydlo.
08:18 < odder> Polish mafia takes over the channel, apparently.
08:18 < Cookies52> Meh
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08:18 < odder> russavia: a więc? :)
08:18 < Cookies52> We've had worse
08:18 < russavia> fluffernutter,i'm welcomed in pl.wp with english, no reason they can't into polish here
08:18 < mareklug> we have had spanish daily
08:18 < Cookies52> Such as a sandwich taking over.......
08:19 < Fluffernutter> indeed, russavia, but they're having an extended one-on-one conversation in polish in an english channel. Seems just as easy to have it in pm
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08:19 < Fluffernutter> i'm not about to go butt-kicky or anything, just sayin'.
08:20 < odder> Fluffernutter: rozmawiamy też z russavia, dużo lepiej jest rozmawiać na kanale w trzy osoby
08:20 < russavia> that's cool fluff -- you're obviously interested enough to google translate it ;)
08:20 < russavia> perhaps tell them in spanish fluff
08:20 < Cookies52> russavia - yes, but that's because most people know English - and a lot less know other European languages
08:20 < russavia> odder: go somewhere elso
08:20 < mareklug> Fluffernutter we're trying to unruffle odder so he can get himself in gear and unbanned b4 31 hours
08:20 < moogsi> GO BACK TO POLE LAND
08:20 * moogsi flees
08:21 < gwickwire> this is so weird.
08:21 < odder> mareklug: to raczej nie zadziała
08:21 < russavia> sorry odder you asked me a question
08:21 < Fluffernutter> gwickwire still exists?
08:21 < Cookies52> gwickwire, this is Wikipedia....
08:21 < odder> russavia: w którym miejscu?
08:21 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: in here for a while. I was asked by someone to make sure you weren't spreading rumors.
08:21 < mareklug> gwickwire comes here for comfort and harth
08:22 < Cookies52> gwickwire, don't blame you
08:22 < Ushau97> gwickwire: why did youretire?
08:22 < mareklug> hearth *
08:22 < gwickwire> Ushau97: Because.
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08:22 < Ushau97> because with a period. that's it?
08:22 < Cookies52> Ushau97, guessing you've been away from ANI then......
08:22 < Fluffernutter> the period is the important part.
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08:23 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: Thanks :D
08:23 < gwickwire> You understand me :D
08:23 < odder> mareklug: oh, to jest ta dramah właśnie
08:23 < Sarcasm> Cookies52: being away from ani should be celebrated
08:23 < mareklug> odder w jego przypadku, kara boska
08:23 < odder> mareklug: gwickwire? po tym, co widziałem na wikipediocracy, to chyba dramah
08:23 * russavia gives odder pyry
08:23 < gwickwire> holy poop
08:23 < odder> nie wyobrażam sobie takiego outowania ludzi na pl
08:24 < gwickwire> yo no speako el language de tu.
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08:24 < russavia> fuckings of yuo gwickwire
08:24 < Cookies52> I heard wikipediocracy :O :O
08:24 * Fluffernutter feels the love in here. It just radiates.
08:24 < gwickwire> russavia: I saw fuck. I didn't try to understand.
08:24 < Ushau97> can anyone provide me with the discussion at ANI
08:24 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: Well, appparently, I'm a person that causes divides now :/
08:24 < russavia> it does doesn't it fluffernutter :)
08:24 < Cookies52> Look in the latest archive
08:24 < mareklug> Fluffernutter today is a bad day. it's a meltdown thursday. we should be serving virtual tuna melt fluffernutters.
08:25 < TheDruId> Me gustaría un gato con queso y dos cervezas, por favor.
08:25 < Fluffernutter> i don't think tuna goes well with marshmallow
08:25 < russavia> funny things is fluffernutter -- there's many feels here
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08:25 * Cookies52 puts Fluffernutter on a plate with marshmallows
08:25 < russavia> me gusta? you found my secret stalk phrase
08:25 < mareklug> Fluffernutter the cheese makes the two happy
08:25 < Fluffernutter> you should open a restaurant of the weird, mareklug
08:25 < mareklug> :)
08:26 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: And server fluffernutters? :P
08:26 < mareklug> in all seriousness, if the cheese is strong enough, anything goes.
08:26 < Fluffernutter> nah there's already a restaurant in NYC that does that
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08:26 < russavia> who cut the cheese?
08:26 < mareklug> the laser dude
08:26 * Cookies52 opens a Wikipedian Cheese-marshmallow bar
08:26 < russavia> oh sorry, i thought i smelt something nasty
08:26 < odder> mareklug: seriously, czasem jak spoglądam na te wątki na wp-cracy, to jestem przerażony
08:26 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: really? where?
08:26 < russavia> it's just delicious carbuncle
08:26 < gwickwire> Ill be in NYC this summer, I'd like to go.
08:27 < Fluffernutter> in the village, iirc
08:27 < gwickwire> russavia: don't feed the trolls.
08:27 < gwickwire> DC is such a troll it's not even funny.
08:27 < odder> mareklug: widziałeś tę żółć wylewaną na gwickwire, przykładowo?
08:27 < russavia> that's right
08:27 < gwickwire> How the fuck are they and their sock (which CU can't find a master, but it's obvio a sock) not banned?
08:27 < Fluffernutter> gwickwire: http://ilovepeanutbutter.com/media/pdf/shop_menu.pdf
08:27 < mareklug> odder ja jeno edytuję w przestrzeni głównej. Jeszcze się nie splamiłem komentarzem ani głosem na Rf*
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08:27 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: block DC (or some other idiot)'s sock pls.
08:28 < odder> mareklug: interesujące podejście :)
08:28 < IRWolfie-> gwickwire: what socks?
08:28 < gwickwire> see jimbos talk
08:28 < Fluffernutter> why in the world would i go blocking someone or their uknown theoretical sock
08:28 < IRWolfie-> They are probably just wikipediocracy members, they might not even have a main account
08:28 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: Look at the comments, this is such an obvous salk that the only other way they could make it more obvio is sayign "IM THIS PERSON"
08:29 < gwickwire> IRWolfie-: It's probably Vigilant.
08:29 < gwickwire> or Tungsten
08:29 < IRWolfie-> file an SPI
08:29 < gwickwire> (btw, Tungeten Carbide claims to have an admin account undiscovered so..)
08:29 < gwickwire> IRWolfie-: -retired- what part not understands?
08:30 < IRWolfie-> if you are retired then stop caring I guess
08:30 < Fluffernutter> ^
08:31 < odder> this doesn't mean he cannot care
08:31 < mareklug> IRWolfie- gwickwire is retired but emotionally invested. He needs to get his Froth-at-the-mouth IRA transferred out
08:31 < Fluffernutter> no, but it does mean that if he ever had standing to give me orders, which he didn't, he's certainly given it up now
08:32 < odder> so no harm
08:32 < gwickwire> Fluffernutter: It was a question, not an order. Hence the please.
08:32 * Fluffernutter really wants a peanut butter and banana sandwich now, on reading that menu
08:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mmm
08:32 < russavia> odder have you gotten down on your knees yet?
08:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Fluffernutter isnt that bad for you?
08:33 < Fluffernutter> i'msure it's terrible for you
08:33 < moogsi> it is good for your soul
08:33 < gwickwire> ToAruShiroiNeko: We're all young healthy men, per the survey of demographics. So...
08:33 < IRWolfie-> gwickwire: if you want to retire the only good way of doing that is to disengage. otherwise you end up like many of the wikipediocracy people. They don't edit but they are obsessed with what is going on
08:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> <3 that makes it better right?
08:33 < IRWolfie-> (It's like a step above meta-editing)
08:33 < moogsi> I WILL HAVE THE ELVIS, PLEASE
08:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gwickwire I was watcing an episode of bullshit on weightloss
08:34 < gwickwire> LOL
08:34 < moogsi> when you order something called The Elvis, at least you know what you're getting
08:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I think their conclusion is spot on :)
08:34 < mareklug> IRWolfie- the Oort cloud of wiki
08:34 < odder> russavia: sorry?
08:34 < moogsi> omg you can add bacon!
08:34 < russavia> odder, remember the video i showed you earlier
08:35 < odder> I don't
08:35 < Fluffernutter> i know, the bacon is like "...i never considered this but...i...might like it"
08:35 < russavia> odder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTWTZaKfE9g -- you have to be like the wikipedia version of this
08:35 < russavia> fluffernutter -- you'll like this ^ ^
08:36 < odder> ah, well, this will never happen, sorry
08:36 < russavia> not even the grin? :)
08:36 < odder> and you already know my evil plan of removing the thread the minute my block expires, so :)
08:36 < odder> fuck wrong window
08:36 < russavia> hahaha
08:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> odder more pm?
08:37 < TheDruId> gwickwire, as a retiree, I'll dispute the "young" label, although I'm young at heart, I don't know at what age you'd draw the line.
08:37 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: sorry, got a couple of things atm – will respond in a moment
08:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure no hurries :D
08:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> TheDruId you are a druid, you can shapeshift into one
08:38 < moogsi> russavia: ahaha guilty dog... i actually believe that's the main difference between dogs and cats... dogs are able to feel something like guilt
08:39 < moogsi> a cat in the same situation would just be "yeah? so what?"
08:40 < Fluffernutter> my dog would sit in that situation and be like "What? You left them out, they were fair game."
08:40 < TheDruId> moogsi, Main difference: You come home, you feed the dog, you pet the dog, the dog thinks "He's the greatest person on the face of the planet." You come home, you feed the cat, you pet the cat, the cat thinks "I'm the greatest person on the face of the planet."
08:40 < moogsi> :D
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08:49 < moogsi> i don't know if i'm a dog or a cat person... maybe a cog or a dat
08:49 < moogsi> or Catdog
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08:49 < TheDruId> I prefer the unusual pets, ferrets, snakes, spiders...
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08:54 * Fluffernutter had snakes as a kid. Unless you get to boa-sized ones, they're not very cuddly
08:55 < russavia> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Odder&diff=553211515&oldid=553203403 hey man, check this out bwahahahaha
08:55 < russavia> oh shit, sorry, wrong window
08:55 < odder> LOL, russavia, that was so lame
08:56 < russavia> i know right
08:56 < TheDruId> Is there an image to accompany that?
08:57 < russavia> one sec
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08:57 < russavia> thedruid -- indeed there is -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polandball_warrior.png
08:58 < mareklug> russavia I don't think the hussars had curved whatever that is.
08:58 < mareklug> blades
08:58 < mareklug> scimitars
08:58 < mareklug> it is the other dudes who had them
08:58 < TheDruId> It's been warped by the need for battle.
08:59 < russavia> http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hussars5.bmp
08:59 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HUSARZ_2009_200zl_reverse.jpg
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09:00 < odder> TheDruId: http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~odder/tpp/trollmodeon.png
09:01 < odder> IRWolfie-: good link with the policy
09:02 < odder> "Furthermore, some types of user accounts are considered disruptive and may be blocked without warning, usually indefinitely."
09:02 < odder> I guess that's me, right?
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09:02 < IRWolfie-> odder: your reaction to being blocked was essentially to promise to be disruptive.
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09:03 < IRWolfie-> odder: I also didn't link to the subtopic you quote
09:03 < IRWolfie-> I'm linking to disruption generally
09:03 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCK#Preliminary:_Education_and_warnings
09:03 < IRWolfie-> A user may be blocked when his or her conduct severely disrupts the project; that is, when his or her conduct is inconsistent with a civil, collegial atmosphere and interferes with the process of editors working together harmoniously to create an encyclopedia.
09:04 < odder> Before a block is imposed, efforts should be made to educate users about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to warn them when their behavior conflicts with these.
09:04 < odder> How about that?
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09:05 < IRWolfie-> odder: You are oversight on commons and appear to wikilaywer with the best of them, are you seriously contending you don't understand that trolling isn't ok?
09:05 < Fluffernutter> heh, some days... https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7395410176/h271C94BA/
09:05 < TheDruId> Two wrongs don't make a userright.
09:06 < odder> IRWolfie-: what does it matter what rights I hold on Commons? We're talking about en.wp
09:06 < odder> and their admins blocking regular users on sight without warning, which is required by the policy.
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09:07 < mareklug> IRWolfie- um denouncing odder on Floquenbeam's page strikes me a bit petulant, if not crass.
09:07 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: I'm not denouncing, I'm pointing it out
09:08 < mareklug> it didn't require it. I think THAT was bad judgment also.
09:08 < mareklug> just sayin'
09:08 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: An editor promising to troll while blocked shouldn't be unblocked
09:08 < odder> I'm not asking to be unblocked.
09:08 < odder> I'll just wait until the block expires.
09:08 < IRWolfie-> odder: I don't think the block should be allowed to expire while you promise to troll
09:09 < russavia> would someone like to remove the personal attack on myself fromJW's talk page?
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09:09 < russavia> comparing me to Saddam Hussein is a fucking insult and gross personal attack
09:10 < mareklug> IRWolfie- I realize that you may think you are acting in some sort of a goody too shoes amicus curiae, but really, my friend, you should NOT have.
09:10 < mareklug> two *
09:10 < odder> IRWolfie-: I'm sure you have some sort of a process to request users being blocked indefinitely
09:10 < odder> go for it, man.
09:11 < russavia> yeah it's called a community ban
09:11 < IRWolfie-> mareklug: I fail to see why I should not have
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09:11 < mareklug> IRWolfie- then YOU need to reflect on the finer nuances of life, as well
09:11 < IRWolfie-> ?
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09:13 < JohnLewis> Does anyone in here know Russian by any chance?
09:13 < russavia> IRwolfie- i do believe mareklug is telling you you need to go get laid
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09:13 < russavia> PREVED!
09:16 < IRWolfie-> odder: a block isn't the same as a community ban
09:17 < IRWolfie-> (and suggesting a block be extended isn't the same as an indefinite block)
09:17 < odder> IRWolfie-: did I even mention community bans?
09:19 < IRWolfie-> No, russavia did. I am pointing out they aren't the same
09:20 < odder> IRWolfie-: seriously man, you don't need to teach me the policies, I've been here long enough.
09:21 < IRWolfie-> odder: and earlier you were saying you should have been educated about policies etc. Make your mind up.
09:22 < odder> Yes, for instance why admins decide to block users without warning them.
09:22 < odder> I would like to be educated about that particular part of the policy.
09:22 < IRWolfie-> odder: clearly you did not need the warning if you knew it was against policy
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09:26 < odder> IRWolfie-: the policy also says: On the other hand, users acting in bad faith, whose main or only use is forbidden activity (sockpuppetry, vandalism, and so on), do not require any warning and may be blocked immediately.
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09:26 < russavia> that's what they did to hortensja
09:27 < odder> IRWolfie-: you want to tell me that my main activity on en was sockpuppetry or vandalism?
09:27 < russavia> and her crime was helping me to chill lol
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09:29 < IRWolfie-> odder: You just said you knew policies, and so knew what you were doing. warnings are unnecessary
09:29 < IRWolfie-> *knew the
09:29 < IDoH> Hey
09:29 < odder> How come? The policy says they are required.
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09:30 < IRWolfie-> odder: where
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09:30 < IRWolfie-> The section you quote does not state that the blocking admin must personally try and educate you
09:30 < odder> IRWolfie-: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Preliminary:_Education_and_warnings
09:31 < IRWolfie-> The people reverting told you to stop and that it was disruptive
09:31 < IRWolfie-> yet you did it anyway
09:31 < IRWolfie-> odder: that does not say what you think it says
09:31 < odder> twice, yes. On a talk page.
09:31 < IRWolfie-> odder: Oh I see, the place they choose to teach you wasn't one that suited you?
09:31 < odder> IRWolfie-: aaah, yes, I cannot understand the language it's written in.
09:31 < odder> English tu hard
09:33 < russavia> \o/
09:33 < odder> (cur | prev) 2013-05-02T15:13:45 Tarc (talk | contribs) . . (289,576 bytes) (+17,747) . . (Undid revision 553199810 by Nemo bis (talk) - you don't get to delete threads on another editor's talk page, I'm afraid) (undo)
09:33 < odder> (cur | prev) 2013-05-02T15:39:43 Rd232 (talk | contribs) . . (290,445 bytes) (+17,747) . . (rv - it is Jimbo's prerogative to delete threads from his talk page, not yours) (undo)
09:33 < odder> can you see any policies being cited here?
09:34 < odder> any warnings, anything?
09:34 < IRWolfie-> odder: Are you a wikilaywer? Do you think we need to link to policies when telling you about current practice?
09:34 < odder> What is the current practice?
09:34 < odder> That some people can remove threads from JW's talk page, and some not?
09:35 < odder> And those who are not allowed, get blocked without a single warning?
09:35 < odder> Yes, this sounds like a good practice to me.
09:35 < IRWolfie-> You were told not to do it by two established editors. What more do you want?
09:35 < IRWolfie-> just maybe that's a sign that you should discuss things.
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09:36 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Cloudyjbg27512 - yes, that's an established editor.
09:36 < TheDruId> Don't template the regulars suggests that anyone shouldn't have given you templated warnings, though they could have posted to you; they evidently trusted you to read the edit summary.
09:37 < IRWolfie-> odder: You quoted Rd232 and Tarc, they are established editors
09:37 < odder> Yes, sorry.
09:37 < odder> Tarc didn't revert me but Nemo.
09:38 < IRWolfie-> (Cloudy is not an established editor)
09:39 < odder> depends on your definition of 'established'. As far as I am aware, it doesn't equal 'registered'.
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09:39 < IRWolfie-> odder: I would say several thousand edits, and a nick recognised by a decent number of other editors
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09:40 < IRWolfie-> Cloudy has only 70 edits
09:40 < odder> 123
09:40 < russavia> <IRWolfie-> odder: Are you a wikilaywer? Do you think we need to link to policies when telling you about current practice? -- odder -- isn't this the same argument you basically presented to DC about OS?
09:40 < russavia> and it's something that one does not necessarily need to know (according to DC)
09:40 < odder> What do you mean?
09:41 < odder> I told him it wasn't written down, and that I though it was a good idea to make it more prominent.
09:41 < odder> thought*
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09:41 < russavia> if DC didn't know about OS, then its only fair to assume you don't know about enwp policies as an occasion editor there
09:41 < odder> IRWolfie-: so, now you see, that I got reverted by a user who registered on April 25, and then by Rd232, whom I did not revert back, even though I could've done that.
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09:42 < odder> And then I got blocked without a single warning, even though the policy requires that editors should be issued with one.
09:43 < IRWolfie-> odder: Rd232 reverted with (rv - stop deleting entire discussions), do you think he needs to direct it at you personally before you listen?
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09:43 < IRWolfie-> odder: You don't have to be templated before being blocked
09:43 < IRWolfie-> the only time you are required to be templated is before discretionary sanctions
09:43 < odder> I'm not talking about being templated, I'm talking about being warned, which did not occure.
09:43 < IRWolfie-> odder: it did, on the talk page
09:44 < russavia> IRWolfie -- being warned by a troll doesn't count
09:44 < IRWolfie-> the block didn't come out of nowhere, you knew other editors were saying not to do it, and yet you did it anyway
09:44 < TheDruId> odder, Policy /does not/ require warning: "However, note that warnings are not a prerequisite for blocking. "
09:44 < IRWolfie-> russavia: odder claims to know policy, so he's trying to argue on a technicality here
09:44 < russavia> hey it works for others
09:44 < odder> TheDruId: it does.
09:44 < russavia> give him the same opportunity
09:45 < odder> Before a block is imposed, efforts should be made to educate users about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and to warn them when their behavior conflicts with these.
09:45 < odder> In general, administrators should ensure that users who are acting in good faith are aware of policies and are given reasonable opportunity to adjust their behavior before blocking. On the other hand, users acting in bad faith, whose main or only use is forbidden activity (sockpuppetry, vandalism, and so on), do not require any warning and may be blocked immediately.
09:45 < russavia> i'm blocked for a month currently because Sand "Respect my authoritah" Stein argued that Israel is in eastern europe
09:45 < IRWolfie-> odder: In general isn't the same as always
09:45 < russavia> so let odder have his go
09:45 < TheDruId> odder, should =/= must
09:46 < IRWolfie-> odder: There is no bright line rule
09:46 < odder> Wow, thanks for explaining this to me.
09:46 < odder> Wouldn't know the difference between "should" and "must" if it wasn't for you guys.
09:46 < russavia> odder -- one sec
09:46 < odder> Appreciated.
09:46 < russavia> who blocked you
09:46 < odder> some F guy
09:46 < odder> lemme check it
09:47 < odder> Floquenbeam (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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09:48 < odder> IRWolfie-: so if there is no bright line rule, you go for block without warning? wow.
09:49 < IRWolfie-> odder: It looks to me like you were warned
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09:50 < IRWolfie-> You've enough edits to know that you don't just delete dicussions you don't like from another users talk page after other people tell you not to.
09:50 < IRWolfie-> But you did it anyway
09:50 < odder> I would assume this 'do not remove messages you don't like' would also apply to other users.
09:51 < odder> And I have 800 edits on en.
09:51 < IRWolfie-> odder: except for vandalism
09:51 < IRWolfie-> you can remove obvious vandalism.
09:51 < odder> You can't assume I would know all the details about such bureaucracy as en.wp
09:52 < odder> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=552563693
09:52 < odder> how about this, IRWolfie- ?
09:52 < IRWolfie-> odder: are you saying you didn't know you couldn't delete discussions you don't like?
09:53 < IRWolfie-> odder: Jimbo can remove posts from his own talk page
09:53 < odder> WP:OWN
09:53 < IRWolfie-> a user talk page is not an article
09:53 < odder> Should I assume that Jimbo can remove posts from his talk page when he doesn't like them?
09:53 < odder> And because he is Jimbo?
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09:54 < IRWolfie-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN#User_pages
09:54 < IRWolfie-> odder: you can remove posts from your talk page that you don't like
09:54 < odder> Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. Nevertheless, they are not personal homepages, and are not owned by the user.
09:55 < IRWolfie-> yes
09:55 < zscout370> odder: generally, if someone is trolling your talk page, you can remove the notice without penalty or hitting 3RR
09:55 < zscout370> or remove discussions once resolved
09:55 < russavia> zscout370 -- tell that to Sandstein!!!
09:55 < IRWolfie-> You can remove discussions before they are resolved
09:56 < odder> zscout370: was it trolling?
09:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> zscout370 so anyone can talk trash of any other user unless its the talk page the badmouthed user has control over?
09:56 < odder> zscout370: I asked a valid question, and the highest moral authority on en removed it.
09:56 < Pharos> hi zscout370!
09:56 < odder> so I am assuming you can remove messages that are hostile.
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09:57 < IRWolfie-> odder: An editor can remove any message they want from their own talk pages
09:57 < zscout370> IRWolfie-: if they are trolling in nature
09:57 < IRWolfie-> zscout370: no, they can remove even regular comments
09:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- what if the comment posted is a series of personal attacks?
09:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its on somebody esles talk page so it is ok?
09:58 < Pharos> zscout370: join the picnic craze sweeping the nation! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiknic#2013_Wiknic
09:58 < NotASpy> ah, the Jimbo talk page shambles continues on, I see, ToAruShiroiNeko.
09:58 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: If it is a blatant personal attack, sure, if it's not, and people revert it, then that's a good sign that you shouldn't revert more without discussion
09:59 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: if someone reverts it, but you think it's a personal attack, either bring it to ANI or ignore it depending on the nature of it.
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09:59 < NotASpy> the original comment that prompted everything wasn't a personal attack, it should have been left, regardless of what else was removed.
09:59 < zscout370> Pharos: I am dealing with a work transfer, and also most Wikimedians near me have moved, so that probably won't happen for NW Arkansas
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- thats not the purpose of ANI though
10:00 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: sure it is
10:00 < IRWolfie-> ANI is for incidents
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> this wouldnt be an incident
10:00 < Pharos> we have to find new wikineighbors, then!
10:00 * Moe_Epsilon has made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Former_administrators all fancy looking :3
10:00 < IRWolfie-> Sure it would
10:00 < zscout370> also with Jimbos talk page, a lot of people watch it, so people will remove things besides him. My best suggestion is to try again, or maybe email Jimbo, to get a response.
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> umm... no?
10:00 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: life is a serious of incidents, one after the other.
10:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a non-issue
10:01 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: if something is a non-issue why would you be removing it
10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its one guy being a dick and people trying to keep the info with flimsy reasons like jimbo can remove it if he doesnt like it and such
10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not actually commenting on the content
10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if the revert reason was "its fine as is" no one would complain
10:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> to revert a removal and block over it... thats an entirely different level
10:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> now that is indeed an incident
10:02 < NotASpy> I had no idea Lar, Riana or Secret had desysopped, Moe_Epsilon. Good to see them back though.
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10:02 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: it's called edit warring.
10:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- it really isnt
10:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont tolerate personal attacks or at least that was the idea when I was last editing
10:03 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: I see no obvious personal attacks
10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am not up to date on such policies
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10:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you arent looking hard enough then
10:03 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: If I have to look harder then it's not an obvious personal attack
10:04 < Moe_Epsilon> NotASpy: actually that is the resysopped lists, they are current admins again :p except Secret, who desysopped again (and is on the list next to the one you read)
10:04 < IRWolfie-> if its not an obvious personal attack, vandalism or obvious trolling etc, removing 17,000 bytes from another editors talk page is probably a bad idea.
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10:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- it is a long thread
10:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it would take you minutes to review it
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10:07 < Moe_Epsilon> NotASpy: I guess I should remove double names from the last fifteen, since desysops/resysops are frequent sometimes :<
10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "I just want him to engage directly with the problem and make some effort at either getting WMF involved in a non-trivial capacity, or building consensus to get rid of Russavia and rebuilding Commons as something other than what it now is."
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10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that isnt a personal attack?
10:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "Disqualifies it in the eyes of the Russavia Fan Club, sure. But those sorts of people are not really relevant to the discussion."
10:08 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: bad point—that's in the thread that I left being.
10:09 < odder> be*
10:09 < russavia> no toaru-- it is evidence of harassment
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10:09 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: You don't remove an entire discussion if you think there is a personal attack somewhere in there
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10:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure
10:09 < IRWolfie-> ToAruShiroiNeko: and no, I don't think those are personal attacks
10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I also dont block people for doing it either
10:10 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: seriously, stop. bothering.
10:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fair enough
10:10 < IRWolfie-> Incivility isn't a personal attack
10:10 < odder> ToAruShiroiNeko: I don't care any longer.
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10:10 < odder> thanks for the good will though
10:11 < russavia> odder: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests&diff=prev&oldid=90967020#File:Straddle_injury.jpg -- please shove this up DC's arse
10:11 < odder> I can't, I'm blocked.
10:11 < russavia> doh haha
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10:12 < russavia> that is how we deal with stuff on commons-- and my responses to uploader were for probably unobvious reasons
10:12 < odder> russavia: and Philippe suppressed that file, not me
10:13 < russavia> yep that's right, i contacted legal
10:13 < russavia> oh wait....does thatmean i get to be an attention whore too
10:13 < russavia> ohwait,i already am:)
10:13 < odder> russavia: I thought you meant the other thread
10:13 < odder> the one that Trijnstel told DC about OS
10:13 < odder> s/that/where
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10:14 < russavia> oh,the one that i deleted, and then had DC go and be an attention whore atJW's talk page about?
10:14 < odder> Yeah.
10:16 < russavia> ah....so we need to remove Russavia from premises,coz he's a *insert random insult* here
10:16 < odder> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=87423904#File:Genitals_of_a_teenage_boy.jpg_-_why_was_this_deleted_now.3F_Why_was_the_uploader_blocked.3F
10:16 < russavia> and i am sure mattbuck and others are the same
10:16 < odder> that's when DC was told about the existence of OS
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10:18 * mattbuck is a bad person
10:18 < NotASpy> DC's been around for as long as I have, there's no way this is the first of him learning about OS, odder.
10:19 < russavia> so i hope people can see why we are all pissed off that enwp allows this shit to continue to occur
10:19 < Qcoder00> Are individual API calls notable?
10:19 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CreateRemoteThread ->Not an article
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10:19 < Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CreateThread -Not an article
10:19 < Qcoder00> etc
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10:20 < NotASpy> urgh. I'd merge them into a sensible, sizeable article.
10:21 < russavia> odder: part 1.5 http://imgur.com/UPqiDYO bwahaha
10:21 < Qcoder00> I'm tagging for notablity - But I should really Speedy tag them
10:21 < Qcoder00> They belong in a specic Wikia,
10:22 < Qcoder00> Not a General Encylopedia
10:22 < odder> russavia: LOL
10:22 < russavia> Pavlov wasn't very nice to his dogs :(
10:24 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: I think most of these are speedy
10:24 < Qcoder00> :)
10:24 < legoktm> Qcoder00: I don't think theyre notable
10:24 < legoktm> I'd rather see a merge though
10:25 < legoktm> Or a transwiki to wikibooks or something.
10:25 < Qcoder00> I'm using a PROD
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10:25 < legoktm> thats a good idea
10:26 < russavia> odder: the EE battles continue on enwp -- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=next&oldid=553217044
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10:29 < russavia> the only thing i can deduce from that is -- if yuo like of polandball = yuo don't of like volunteer marek -- that shit's funnier than pavlov's dogs
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10:30 < russavia> mareklug -- ping
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10:31 < russavia> when was 787 grounded? and where were LOT's grounded?
10:31 < odder> russavia: why the plural? :)
10:31 < russavia> because they have 2(??)
10:32 < odder> the only one they had was grounded on WAW, the rest they ordered were still in the US, AFAIK
10:32 < russavia> one was in chicago i believe
10:32 < russavia> http://csb.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%92br%C3%B4zk:LOT_Boeing_787-8_SP-LRA_Lebeda.jpg -- i do like the tail design- but don't like the all-white fuselage
10:33 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: See also -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/CreateRemoteThread
10:33 < NotASpy> can we do an API call for DeleteNonNotableArticle ?
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10:35 < odder> russavia: exactly; one was grounded at WAW, the other one at ORD
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10:38 < russavia> odder: looks like LOT might be gone for good soon :(
10:38 < russavia> http://www.bne.eu/story4898/Poland_reportedly_asks_Norwegian_Air_to_rid_it_of_LOT
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10:40 < kondi> lots of Kanye West fans on enwp, every other article related to him is a GA
10:40 < Pharos> it's a kanyespriracy
10:41 < Pharos> *Kanyespiracy
10:41 < odder> russavia: not a bad idea
10:41 < kondi> heh :)
10:42 < kondi> I think he is actually a good producer
10:42 < odder> Polish immigrants will take over Norway in a couple of years, so selling LOT to Norwegians might just be a trick
10:42 < odder> russavia: ^^
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10:43 < russavia> we'll be seeing polls on Poles in norwegian media before we know it
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10:45 < Ironholds> It's like this channel is a competition to see who can say the most mindlessly stupid things.
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10:45 < russavia> ^ ^ there's your winner
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10:46 < TheDruId> Maybe we should just have polandball articles.
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10:48 < TheDruId> 300-style quote "This in not Encarta!"
10:48 < TheDruId> sorry, *"This is not Encarta!"
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10:58 < russavia> toaru-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Diri%C3%B6z -- you know of this guy?
10:58 < russavia> ToAruShiroiNeko ^ ^
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11:06 < kondi> russavia: may I pm?
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11:06 < russavia> kondi: sure anytime mate
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11:19 < Fluffernutter> heh: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7391365120/h4736ED4C/
11:24 < kondi> -_-
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12:28 < Fox2k12> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/02/houston-airport-shooting_n_3202950.html
12:28 < Fox2k12> :/
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12:40 < darev> n8
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12:46 < kaldari> StevenW: I made the talkback template obsolete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Replyto
12:49 < StevenW> Wooo!
12:49 < MJ94> kaldari: I made your template obsolete!
12:49 < StevenW> I forget, do you you have to link to generate a mention?
12:49 < MJ94> [[User:MJ94]]
12:49 < MJ94> StevenW: [[User:MJ94|This would work]].
12:50 < StevenW> I'm wondering if you can do it without the link even.
12:50 < kaldari> needs the link
12:51 < kaldari> otherwise the User:OK is going to get a not of notifications
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12:53 < kaldari> MJ94: Yeah, talkback is basically obsolete anyway now :)
12:54 * Moe_Epsilon hasn't received a name highlight yet and is rather pleased with our new notification system :p
12:54 < MJ94> I miss OBOD
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13:04 < Scott_Martin> kaldari: nice work there. Also you beat me to aliasing it as {{ping}}.
13:05 < kaldari> :)
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13:06 < Scott_Martin> So now we have both {{ping}} and {{bump}}. Excellent.
13:07 < Moe_Epsilon> assuming they didn't disable their notifications :P
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13:13 < MJ94> I was thinking about sending {{ping}} to tfd, but maybe it's useful...
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13:20 < gwickwire> Scott_Martin: Not using nick "hexmode" anymore?
13:20 < Scott_Martin> Different guy.
13:20 < petan> hexmode is Mark
13:22 < gwickwire> Scott_Martin: O.o really?
13:22 < gwickwire> Wow ok. I thought that was you this whole time. My apologies.
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13:46 < IRWolfie-> MJ94: it's not used much according to "what links here", so yeah; it's not used and it seems pointless
13:47 < IRWolfie-> oh it's new
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13:48 < IRWolfie-> Still seems pointless since the person you are reply to is presumably in the same thread
13:48 < legoktm> Hm
13:48 < legoktm> kaldari: we should Lua that so it can accept as many parameters as supplied :D
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13:50 < kondi> writing an application is hard :\
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13:52 < NotASpy> kondi: what you writing ?
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13:57 < Rcsprinter> Three minutes left to vote in the UK council elections!
13:58 < Qcoder00> In my area it wouldn't make a difference...
13:58 < Qcoder00> We get a tory or a liberal...
13:59 < Qcoder00> and never anyone actually interested in being radical
14:00 < IRWolfie-> multiple watchlists would be a cool feature to have
14:00 < Rcsprinter> Times up
14:03 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: define 'radical'
14:03 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: 'Green' or 'Socialist'
14:03 < Ironholds> greens aren't radical, they're crypto-fascists.
14:03 < Qcoder00> So is UKIP :(
14:03 < Ironholds> no, UKIP are just fascists.
14:04 < Qcoder00> So are radical in politics these days?
14:04 < Rcsprinter> Lib Dems rule!
14:04 < Qcoder00> Not for much longer though
14:04 < Ironholds> which is a pity.
14:04 < Ironholds> and, Qcoder00, as someone who's seen the internal polling data: plausibly, actually.
14:04 < Ironholds> there are a lot of seats we're now /more/ likely to hold.
14:05 < Ironholds> Rcsprinter: danke schon.
14:05 < kondi> NotASpy: gsoc application, bleh..
14:05 < Qcoder00> I've heard someone claim Nick Clegg is waiting for Cameron to Balls it up apparently...
14:06 < Qcoder00> at which point you will get a 'Liberal' government
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14:06 < NotASpy> and the country will be fucked.
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14:06 < Ironholds> NotASpy: oh?
14:07 < NotASpy> marginally less fucked than if Milipede and Balls get in, but fucked all the same.
14:07 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: that someone is an idiot.
14:07 < Ironholds> NotASpy: depends on the branch of liberals.
14:07 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: The country is already '***ed'
14:07 < NotASpy> Ironholds: proper Liberals like David Steele, it would be better. If it's the Tories hiding in the Lib Dems because they couldn't get elected as Tories, see above.
14:08 < Qcoder00> Steele is Old Liberal...
14:08 < Qcoder00> Clegg is New Liberal...
14:08 < Ironholds> no, Clegg is an Orange Booker.
14:09 < NotASpy> everything with New attached to it (New Liberal, New Labour) is just a pseudonym for Thatcherism-lite.
14:09 < Qcoder00> Orange Booker?
14:09 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: the Orange Book.
14:09 < Ironholds> NotASpy: I don't think anyone's used "New Liberal" outside of Australia, I'm afraid :)
14:09 < Ironholds> and I've yet to meet a single Thatcherite liberal democrat.
14:09 < Ironholds> (having spent many years in the party)
14:10 < Rcsprinter> Woh, I started a political discussion :D
14:10 < Qcoder00> And Blair was apparently scared about the Labour party mocing back towards being in thrall to union interests
14:10 < Qcoder00> *moving
14:10 * Ironholds snorts
14:10 < Ironholds> Rcsprinter: indeed!
14:11 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: he killed the Labour element of the New Labour party.
14:11 < Ironholds> Don't get me wrong, communism is essentially fascism with prettier signs, but at least they bloody stood for something.
14:11 < Ironholds> albeit something abhorrent. But abhorrent in a consistent fashion.
14:11 < Qcoder00> To be fair though the current Con-Dem coalition, has done some sensible things... - Like Prison Reform, Welfare Reform... etc...
14:11 < Ironholds> first, Con-Dem? how funny you are ;p
14:12 < NotASpy> is it Liberal Tories then ?
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14:12 < Ironholds> 'coalition'? we don't have several.
14:12 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: Well Liberal-Con didn't sound right
14:12 < Ironholds> second, you might also include not reintroducing the surveillance state, rolling /back/ the old surveillance state, releasing children from indefinite detention, pulling out of Iraq and the Stan...
14:13 < Qcoder00> And not just putiing a certain troublsome cleric on a plane
14:13 < NotASpy> I like HS2. But I do like trains.
14:13 < Ironholds> ooh!
14:13 < Ironholds> raising the tax boundaries. that was nice.
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14:13 < Qcoder00> HS2 is the wrong project...
14:13 < NotASpy> The tax cut for top rate tax payers was sensible, if misunderstood by vast chunks of the country.
14:14 < NotASpy> ditto the cut in Corporation Tax.
14:14 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: The current Govt also made local authorities open up their spending....
14:14 < Qcoder00> Not that anyone will be able to understand local authority budgets
14:15 < NotASpy> no, but at least we can see it being spunked away on shite now.
14:15 < Qcoder00> Like translating a document on Pigeons into 11 languages !!
14:16 < NotASpy> instead of having to idly wonder how much of our money they squandered on stupid projects, it's now possible to find out and see quite easily.
14:16 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: Is the WMF budget as a transparent? XD
14:16 < Ironholds> NotASpy: no, I meant 'bottom rate tax payers are now fewer'
14:16 < Ironholds> we raised the brackets. Instead of having to earn N thousand before you pay tax, it's N+
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14:17 < Qcoder00> I am also expecting the current govt to look at other public funding like Arts...
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14:17 < Qcoder00> and Sport...
14:17 < NotASpy> Ironholds: if it wasn't for the fact it would result in mass redundancies at HMRC, minimum wage, working time directive and NI would have been combined to take every minimum wage, 37.5hr per week worker out of the tax system entirely, bar employer NI contribs.
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14:18 < Ironholds> sure
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14:18 < Qcoder00> I mean why should public money fund cultural projects that could seek commerical sponsers?
14:19 < Qcoder00> I mean a major arts event like that planned for Wikimania 2014 looks likely to be entirly funded by sponsership
14:19 * Ironholds slaps Qcoder00
14:19 < IRWolfie-> what was the reason for cutting the tax on the richest?
14:19 < Qcoder00> Ironholds: Why the slap?
14:20 < Ironholds> IRWolfie-: if you raise tax too high people tend to evade it.
14:20 < Ironholds> Qcoder00: first, worst communist ever.
14:20 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: it should, in theory, increase the total tax take.
14:20 < IRWolfie-> Ironholds: then don't raise it :>
14:20 < Ironholds> Second, Wikimania 2014 is almost entirely funded by the WMF turning up and giving a buttload of money to the organisers.
14:20 < Qcoder00> OH OK
14:20 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: somehow I don't think things will work out that way
14:20 < Qcoder00> (And I was reading some comment that there was a concern about the sheer size of the WM2014 budget)
14:20 < IRWolfie-> Those who refuse to pay tax and can go elsewhere won't be moving back any time soon
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14:21 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: the figures from the Treasury suggest it will. There's nowhere for tax dodgers to move to. All the major economies and all the British Overseas Territories formerly behaving as tax havens tell HMRC who has what and where now.
14:21 < Ironholds> as of last week, yep.
14:21 < Ironholds> We told the BIOTs that it would probably be a good idea to share info with us
14:22 < Ironholds> while stroking a drooling mastiff. A hungry drooling mastiff.
14:22 < NotASpy> Even Switzerland now tells most of the G20 nations who is hiding what and where.
14:22 < Qcoder00> Does this information sharing also mean they can be told about suspect transactions?
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14:22 < Qcoder00> I mean no bank wants to handle dirty money that's a bad risk right?
14:23 < NotASpy> Hell, they even cut off the Vatican's electronic card processing facilities because they didn't comply with money laundering, and that was in a place that only sells bibles.
14:24 < NotASpy> The problem with top rate tax is that in the real world (i.e out of the way of bankers), lots of top rate tax payers are small and medium business owners, they get hit with an extra 5% tax on their earnings, all they do is take it out of the business.
14:25 < Qcoder00> Previous Labour Governments (prior to 1997) had a super-tax rate, which meant that a lot of really rich people went overseas
14:25 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: if there is nowhere for the tax dodgers to move to, why would you decrease the tax rate?
14:26 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: it encourages business owners to invest. Investment equals jobs. Jobs equals more tax.
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14:26 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: How does it encourage business owners to invest?
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14:27 < NotASpy> oh, and more Jobs equals less benefits.
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14:28 < Qcoder00> IRWolfe: By provding them with the capital to make approproate choices
14:28 < IRWolfie-> If you want to encourage investment cut corporate tax
14:29 < Qcoder00> If you want to encourage SME's there needs to be an overhaul of Business rates in general
14:29 < Qcoder00> Currently if you run your own workshop from home , you get hit quite hard...)
14:30 < IRWolfie-> Give rich people more money and I doubt they will invest it back
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14:34 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: if you own your own business and have, say, a mortgage, car payments etc to keep up etc, you may need to draw, say, £40K and for ease, £16K is tax, so you earn, after tax, £24K. Increase tax by 5% and you now only take home £22K, so you need to draw roughly another £3K.
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14:37 < NotASpy> and yeah, it may not be an ideal or particularly fair society we live in, but give rich people more money in their pocket and they'll generally spend it. That filters down through the economy anyway.
14:37 * Qcoder00 wonders how many economists there are on Wikipedia
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14:37 < Qcoder00> NotASpy: But 'trickledown' as a concept failed..
14:37 < IRWolfie-> Yep, trickledown is a failure
14:37 < IRWolfie-> it's a very american argument
14:38 < IRWolfie-> Look at their division of wealth
14:38 < IRWolfie-> High personal tax, low corporate tax makes the most sense
14:38 < Qcoder00> However, the Erupean model of beating the rich with a stick until they pay up doesn't work either
14:39 < IRWolfie-> Qcoder00: That would be the french model you mean
14:39 < Qcoder00> And the model used by some pervious Labour governments
14:39 < Qcoder00> *previous
14:40 < NotASpy> the problem now is that both money and jobs are controlled by the same people. If you tax the rich at 95% (1 for you, 19 for me - the lyrics from The Beatles Taxman) they'll bugger off somewhere else.
14:40 < IRWolfie-> NotASpy: you just said they had nowhere to go
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14:41 < NotASpy> IRWolfie-: they can't hide their money and stay in the UK, but they can move themselves, and possibly their entire businesses, to a lower tax rate country.
14:41 < IRWolfie-> so there is somewhere for tax dodgers to move to. You said there wasn't
14:42 < NotASpy> There's no where for tax dodgers to hide their money, there's nothing to stop them moving completely to a different country, becoming resident in that country and paying the correct rate of tax for that country.
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14:43 < MJ94> Any idea when we're going to enact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse#Merging_with_Wikipedia:New_contributors.27_help_page.2Fquestions_-_revisited ?
14:44 < NotASpy> Look at the various people who have moved out of France. Gerald Depardieu has moved to Russia and taken Russian citizenship. That's different to staying in France, but having a shell company based in Moscow through which he is paid for his films.
14:44 < NotASpy> Gerard even.
14:45 < Qcoder00> Didin't Depardieu convert to Islam at one point?
14:46 < NotASpy> The other danger with high personal tax, low corporate tax, is that you get into the realms of people setting up limited companies, invoicing their employer through their own company and paying 20% corporation tax instead of 40% personal tax on their earnings.
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14:48 < NotASpy> The company buys a house, leases a car and all sorts as part of employee contractual terms and when you've got a vast sum of money sitting in the bank, it gets transferred out of the country and into the name of the company's owner overseas where the tax regime is more favourable.
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15:19 < petan> StevenW, Maryana https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Petrb#Status_of_SharedIPArchiveBot
15:20 < petan> seems that even if it's after 2 years, you got some people who appreciate the bot u invented :D
15:20 < Maryana> :)
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15:52 < ChrisGualtieri> Grrr... someone please weigh in on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Ghost_in_the_Shell.2C_Talk:Ghost_in_the_Shell
15:52 < ChrisGualtieri> For the love of Jimbo, this mess is driving me up a wall.
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15:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Our DRN volunteer is AWAL or scared off... and we waited 10 days for the first response. So I'm begging ya, please somebody get involved with this mess.
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15:54 < JohnLewis> ChrisGualtieri: Not that again.
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15:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Not again... still. 4 months it has been ongoing x-x
15:54 < NotASpy> ChrisGualtieri: there's no hurry, have patience.
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15:55 < NotASpy> and I do think the attitude of all parties has contributed to your volunteer going AWAL.
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15:57 < ChrisGualtieri> I know its a hot issue, but if Wikipedia is based on policy then these strawman and red herring and other logical fallacies should be easy to deal with. The citing of policy by the two is either patently wrong or worse
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15:58 < ChrisGualtieri> The last argument raised was the lemonade was a redundant fork of lemon and should not be split, despite both articles existing. In all fairness my frustration about being tag-teamed and dragged to ANI 3 times for this is well... annoying
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16:00 < ChrisGualtieri> I honestly do not know how to respond to the matter, they refactor and alter and change pages and if I don't object they call it silent consensus and work anyways.
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16:01 < Susan> Red herring is my favorite type of herring!
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16:07 < ChrisGualtieri> Okay I need an admin x-x
16:07 < IDoH> Why, ChrisGualtieri?
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16:12 < ChrisGualtieri> IDoH: you an admin?
16:12 < IDoH> Nope, ChrisGualtieri.
16:13 < IDoH> I'm just experienced. ;-)
16:14 < legoktm> [06:07:48 PM] sdamashek is now known as fwilson <-- Like what?
16:15 < sdamashek> legoktm: trying to make his bot quit
16:15 < sdamashek> in another channel
16:15 < legoktm> heh
16:15 < sdamashek> :D
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16:24 < MJ94> IDoH: are ya gonna go for rfa?
16:24 < IDoH> Doubt it
16:25 < IDoH> People keep asking if I will, though. Why?
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16:29 < NotASpy> ooh, Lib Dems have lost their deposit in the South Shields by-election, if I've got all the numbers right.
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16:30 < foks> ouch
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16:31 < NotASpy> 352 votes to Labour's 12,493.
16:31 < foks> thank goodness UKIP didn't win it though
16:31 < foks> oh man, 352
16:31 < foks> that sounds like a lost deposit right enough
16:32 < NotASpy> although it's entirely possible Lib Dems on the ground suggested voting Labour to keep UKIP out of office.
16:32 < foks> Good point
16:33 < Bradford> hi foks ñ_ñ
16:33 < foks> hi
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16:41 < NotASpy> Labour vote is down from 52.0% to 50.7%, Tories down from 21.6% to 11.45%, Lib Dems down from 14.2% to 1.1% and UKIP takes 24%.
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16:43 < NotASpy> I cannot see all of the Lib Dem supporters voting with UKIP, certainly some will have done as UKIP is probably going to be the new alternative protest vote for many, but I suspect the actual redistribution of voters will have been more tactical.
16:44 < mattbuck> I confess, I didn't vote today
16:44 < mattbuck> I knew nothing of the candidates, and am leaving their juristiction next week
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16:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy UK election?
16:49 < mattbuck> yes
16:49 < mareklug> Qcoder00 I wrote to Apple Legal inquiring about the license status of https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105918205/Antelope%20Canyon.jpg after the wallpaper app people washed their hands of it.
16:50 < mattbuck> I see no antelopes
16:50 < Qcoder00> Good
16:50 < Qcoder00> mareklug: Great :)
16:50 < mareklug> mattbuck but do you see a gorgeous hole in the wall?
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16:50 * Qcoder00 wonders if Commons has views of 'THE' BBC Gravel pit
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16:51 < mareklug> Qcoder00 you will be pleased that unlike your tribulations with Google, Apple has easily reached web forms for specialized contact, including Apple Legal.
16:51 < mareklug> the only problem is the note they generate after they accept the missive:
16:51 < mattbuck> I don't see any cash machines mareklug
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16:52 < Qcoder00> mareklug: Hmm , I've been meaning to ask Apple if they would allow for the Apple I manual to be on Wikisource ...
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16:52 < Qcoder00> but I doubt it's old enough yet
16:52 < mareklug> write to Apple Legal then!
16:52 < NotASpy> Current opinion polls suggest 35% support for leaving Europe, assuming around 20% voted UKIP purely on their Europe policy, Labour would have lost 2,400 voters, the Tories probably around 1,100 or so, Lib Dems may have lost 800 or so, it looks like UKIP has picked up mainly Euroseptics from all parties, with the remainder of the Lib Dem vote going to Labour to keep UKIP out.
16:52 < Qcoder00> mareklug : Thanks
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16:53 < mareklug> Qcoder00 http://www.apple.com/legal/contact/
16:54 < mareklug> NotASpy are you saying the British opinion polls reveal that your hapless and ever disgruntled poplulation, or the 35% of it that bothered to respond, wishes to joing North America?
16:56 < NotASpy> mareklug: no, they think we should enslave a third of the world's population and rebuild the empire.
16:56 < mareklug> would that involve recolonizing India?
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16:57 < NotASpy> I think they would probably take China in lieu of India, this time.
16:57 < mareklug> if it will improve the quality of outsourced support now operating in that cuntry, I am all for it.
16:57 < mareklug> aw.
16:58 < mareklug> http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Rhode-Island-becomes-10th-state-with-gay-marriage-4481490.php
16:59 < NotASpy> Support for Britain leaving the EU is now running at 34% and dropping monthly. They've maybe clocked that companies like BMW employ lots of people in the UK and to leave the EU would be economic suicide.
17:00 < mareklug> in not too distant future we will have the American War of Secession II, when the fundamentalist, gay marriage-opposed states will form a confederacy and declare independence, per Björk's song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXVlQTC2yB0
17:00 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy not a suprise
17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its the only way English will get university education :p
17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no one can afford them in the UK
17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can UK please elect queens crown?
17:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> design is too old
17:01 < mareklug> NotASpy also, lots of Poles in UK. They don't want to lose their mobility. Or is it, motility.
17:02 < MJ94> "xFaze is a Wikipedia user who joined on May 2, 2013. His dream is to become an administrator for Wikipedia."
17:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy people dont realise UK can be a part of EEA but not EU
17:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but thats just giving up leverage
17:02 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: unless the host country or host university pays tuition fees (or has no such fees) then it makes very little difference where a UK student studies, student support is pretty much the same across the EU.
17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy its cheaper in most of europe
17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> UK is way overpriced
17:03 < foks> It's free in Scotland
17:03 < foks> wooo
17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well ok UK -> England
17:03 < mareklug> foks because it is balance on the backs of poor Englishmen
17:03 < mareklug> balanced *
17:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks it takes it to be free for scotish to bother with university :p
17:03 < foks> fuck england, etc
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks dont fuck england
17:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> we dont want that kind of reproduciton!
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17:04 < mareklug> foks it is easy to type that from the rich town of Aberdeen, but most Scotland is piss poor and would just die without UK subsidies
17:04 < foks> man, you don't pick up on sarcasm easily
17:05 < mareklug> not on short snippets without smileys
17:05 < foks> "etc" should have been pretty clear
17:05 < mareklug> fine
17:05 < foks> in any case, I'm a fairly vocal "better together" fan
17:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks I thought etc meant oral :p
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17:06 < foks> mainly because I believe the yes vote is fuelled by buckfast and irn bru more than logical rational thought
17:07 < mareklug> foks on a more convivial note, did you know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie%20%28Norwegian%20singer%29 released her first new single/video in 4 years just days ago?
17:07 < foks> I only know "Chewing Gum"
17:07 < foks> assuming that was her
17:08 < NotASpy> I couldn't believe the Scottish Government falling out with Northlink Ferries this week (one of their ferries is out of action). The Scottish Government effectively privatised the service a few months back and gave the contract to an English company.
17:08 < mareklug> yes. there are much better numbers of hers.
17:08 < mareklug> http://anniemelody.com/2013/04/15/new-single-out/
17:08 < foks> I quite liked Chewing Gum actually
17:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy fairies?
17:09 < mareklug> foks the actual vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vW4pTe0yRAc#action=share
17:11 < foks> mareklug, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTVFQHuIg2I
17:12 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: they broke the crankshaft on one engine. o.o
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17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> what?
17:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> link
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17:13 < NotASpy> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-22349366
17:14 * SuicidalZerg blinks
17:14 < SuicidalZerg> http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/kentucky-accidential-shooting/index.html
17:14 * SuicidalZerg blinks again
17:14 < NotASpy> oh, and the new operator has been told by German tour companies to change the logo as it looks like a Nazi saluting Hitler.
17:14 < mareklug> foks who is this Betty Who?
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17:14 * SuicidalZerg rubs his eyes as he tries to re-read the first paragraph.
17:14 < NotASpy> http://forargyll.com/2013/05/serco-northlink-ferries-now-in-trouble-over-new-logo/
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17:14 < foks> mareklug, Sydney-based songstress
17:14 < foks> she's lovely
17:14 < foks> and very pop-y
17:14 < SuicidalZerg> " A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old son to accidentally shoot and kill his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said."
17:14 < foks> and somehow still sings with a very, very strong accent
17:14 < SuicidalZerg> What in the actual fuck
17:15 < foks> SuicidalZerg, oooold news
17:15 < mareklug> foks interesting. my current crush is Kimbra
17:15 < SigmaWP> Let the DIxie flag fly, SuicidalZerg
17:15 < SuicidalZerg> They gave a 5-year old a GUN for his birthday!?
17:15 < SigmaWP> yeah
17:15 < foks> SuicidalZerg, rural Kentucky, hardly going to be a PS3
17:15 < SigmaWP> How can he have his freedom without it?
17:15 < NotASpy> child must have been quite slow, some families give children guns for third birthdays.
17:16 < SuicidalZerg> wat
17:16 < SuicidalZerg> They certainly don't do that around here...
17:16 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg you may not yet know, but the mother gave the weapon to the kid for his 4th birthday, and it is a gun especially marketed to kids, under the name "My First Rifle" and it has a pastel pink gunstock.
17:16 < NotASpy> and to be fair, many kids in America actually get a gun as a christening present, but that's obviously something they can't use until they're older.
17:16 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy why not shove a gun into the woumb?
17:17 < SuicidalZerg> But if they did, I would keep it locked up until they're 10 or someshit
17:17 < mattbuck> I can't help but feel that the government should just take all the guns
17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so many kids die due to gun violence in the woumb
17:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they may have a fighting chance
17:17 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg good point. then he would kill his kid sister at the ripe age of him 10 and her 7.
17:17 < mattbuck> might help raise the political debate a bit once no one could threaten to gun people down anymore
17:17 < NotASpy> but I don't believe there is an age restriction on licences in some areas, so it's possible to register it in the name of the infant. It's the Second Amendment and what America is built on.
17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy it isnt required to register at all
17:18 < SuicidalZerg> A 5-year old is barely even going to know what a gun is, nevermind how to hold it properly so it doesn't go off accidentally
17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can hadn over your gun to anyone
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17:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> the permit is to carry the concealed weapon or hunt
17:18 < SuicidalZerg> mattbuck: Good luck with that.
17:19 < SuicidalZerg> There has to be more guns in the US than there are people living on this planet
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17:19 < NotASpy> There are (according to Lord of War) 1 gun for every 10 people on the planet, so somewhere in the region of 600 million firearms.
17:19 < mareklug> SuicidalZerg only if you include our military
17:20 < mattbuck> no SuicidalZerg
17:20 < mattbuck> there are 300 million guns in the us
17:20 < mattbuck> with an ever smaller proportion of people owning them
17:20 < SuicidalZerg> 300 million that are accounted for.
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17:20 < SuicidalZerg> It wouldn't surprise me if there were that many that nobody else knew about
17:20 < mattbuck> I'm fairly sure the info on that is from census returns and stuff
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17:21 < mattbuck> it may be a bit more than 300million, but it's in that region
17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SuicidalZerg umm ratio-wise US is high
17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> number of guns in terms of earths populution, no
17:21 < NotASpy> There are 556 handgun owners in Scotland, assuming some with just one hand gun and some with 3 or 4, a reasonable guess is around 1200 handguns in Scotland.
17:22 < mattbuck> the us is the only country that gets near a 1:1 population:guns ratio
17:22 < mattbuck> I think 2nd best is yemen and that's about 2:1
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mattbuck not true
17:22 < SuicidalZerg> Census returns?
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh you mean an actual ratio
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fair enough
17:22 < SuicidalZerg> Do you really think people are that honest?
17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> SuicidalZerg to be honest people are more likely to exagarate
17:22 < mattbuck> SuicidalZerg, I think that most people are, yes
17:23 < mattbuck> the proportion who aren;t is fairly small
17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> in the US people own armories
17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people either own no guns or many guns
17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which should be more distressing
17:24 < NotASpy> 1.8m guns legally held in the UK, apparently.
17:24 < mattbuck> that's what, 33:1
17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy bear in mind some people hold historic guns that cant actually shoot
17:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are registered as firearms
17:25 < NotASpy> mattbuck: yes, somewhere in that region.
17:26 < NotASpy> The vast majority are either shotguns or rifles, with rural areas having higher levels of gun ownership. There's only 900 guns registered in Merseyside, for example.
17:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy whats to the side of Merseyside?
17:27 < mattbuck> the mersey
17:28 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: Lancashire, Cheshire (both rural) and further away, but easily reached in an hour or so, bits of Yorkshire, Northumberland and the likes. It wouldn't be far to travel for hunting or clay pigeon shooting.
17:31 < mareklug> mattbuck the correct answer would be, the neighborhood that fears Merseyside
17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy hmm
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17:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so Merseyside itself is pretty rural then?
17:32 < NotASpy> derelict would be a more accurate description. It's the area that includes Liverpool.
17:34 < mattbuck> when you drive in one side, you're lucky if you come out the other with 4 wheels
17:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hah
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17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why do people own so many guns in the UK?
17:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd think it was a disamred land
17:37 < foks> because rifle ranges exist
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17:40 < Demiurge1000> Not entirely disarmed. But in other measures of civilisation, it is proceedingly reasonably well
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17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> foks so guns dont leave ranges?
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Demiurge1000 I can understand why UKians wanted guns
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nazi invasion and all
17:42 < Demiurge1000> they can do. In locked boxes and such
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but it isnt a requirement?
17:42 < foks> They certainly don't get handed to five-year-olds for their birthdays
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> in germany thats kind of the rule
17:42 < Demiurge1000> what nazi invasion? Don't you mean a zombie invasion?
17:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nazi -> soviet -> zombie
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17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh!
17:43 < Demiurge1000> History proves that Nazis, Soviets, and zombies, all can't swim the English Channel
17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nazi -> soviet -> pokémon -> zombie
17:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pokémon can swim if they know surf
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17:44 < haggis> mareklug: nope
17:44 < haggis> wouldn't get it.
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17:45 < mareklug> haggis you can't build that box dor 2k on your own, so.
17:45 < mareklug> for
17:46 < haggis> i'll 3D print my desktop.
17:47 < mareklug> whatever.
17:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haggis one day you'll be able to 3d print your cpu
17:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and enjoy running out of ink when it is almost done
17:47 < haggis> lol...
17:47 < haggis> ink
17:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure, future CPUs may use graphite over gold
17:48 < haggis> pirating becomes so much more powerful with a 3D printer.
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17:48 < haggis> it's amazing
17:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> haggis if you are pirating dildos
17:48 < haggis> o_O
17:48 < mareklug> Demiurge1000 the last people who could were the Spanish and they left lovely dark-eyed lass genes called Black Irish behind
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17:56 < Bradford> Hahc21: o/
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17:56 < haggis> do they use 3D printing in space?
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17:59 < mareklug> http://www.apple.com/itunes/50-billion-app-countdown/
17:59 < mareklug> haggis imagine yourself witha 10,000 USD Apple Store gift card.
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18:02 < haggis> mareklug: might be able to buy a bottom-line Mac :-P
18:02 < mareklug> bottom-line does not mean what you think it means
18:03 < mareklug> this is the only meaning that could make sense: 3. the most important or fundamental aspect of a situation
18:03 < mareklug> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bottom+line
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18:06 < haggis> mareklug: what would someone do with an App Store gift card?
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18:07 < haggis> At least it'd be useful if the person could use it at an Apple Store... but $10000 worth of apps?
18:07 < haggis> Ew
18:07 < mareklug> haggis have you been to Apple Store? Do you know what is there?
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18:07 < jorm> guys, can we talk about how fucking bummed i am that jeff hanneman died?
18:08 < foks> I had literally never heard of him until you posted about him on Facebook.
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18:10 < jorm> you've heard of slayer, though, right?
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18:11 < foks> Barely.
18:11 < foks> A friend has their poster on his bedroom wall.
18:11 < jorm> augh, kids these days.
18:12 < jorm> listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msIL-9r2HGM
18:12 < jorm> it is a *perfect album*
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18:12 < jorm> this album is the reason the music you like exists. and i'm not kidding.
18:13 < foks> ick
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18:13 < jorm> Most of the best albums of the past 25 years were produced by a man named Rick Rubin.
18:13 < foks> I probably don't own any of them
18:14 < foks> Well, let's see
18:14 < jorm> in 1985, he produced two albums that were released in 1986 that changed the face of popular music *forever*: Reign in Blood and License to Ill.
18:14 < jorm> After that, music was indelibly changed. Even albums not produced by him have attempted to imitate his style and sound.
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18:15 < jorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin_production_discography
18:15 < mareklug> Apple Store, haggis indee not hardware, still: "Prizes. One (1) First Prize Winner will receive one (1) Gift Card for credit in an amount equal to USD $10,000, and fifty (50) Additional Prize Winners will each receive one (1) Gift Card for credit in an amount equal to USD $500, redeemable in the iTunes Store, App Store, and iBookstore, as available in the country in which the applicable winner is located. Total US Retail Value of all
18:15 < mareklug> prizes is $35,000.00."
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18:15 < foks> jorm, that is what I'm reading
18:15 < jorm> Oh, yeah, he also produced Run DMC's "Raising Hell" in 1986.
18:15 < mattbuck> sounds pretty crap to me mareklug
18:16 < mareklug> "[20:13:24] <jorm> Most of the best albums of the past 25 years were produced by a man named Rick Rubin." <-- jorm this must be in a very narrow spectrum, this "most/best"
18:16 < jorm> he rebuilt johnny cash's career from nothing.
18:16 < foks> I don't really like Johnny Cash, to be honest
18:16 < mattbuck> not a solitary man?
18:16 < foks> Out of that whole list I'm actually struggling to find a single album I like
18:16 < mareklug> mattbuck I am sure you would take it
18:17 < mattbuck> if I could sell it, sure
18:17 < Moe_Epsilon> Adrianzo: stay out of my private messages
18:17 < mattbuck> but I refuse on principle to buy apple products
18:17 < mattbuck> they're a cult
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18:18 < mattbuck> on an unrelated note, I have now completed upload to commons of my 2012 photos :)
18:18 < foks> heh, JT's on there
18:18 < Adrianzo> Moe_Epsilon: .I. ¬¬
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18:18 < foks> Anyway...
18:18 < foks> night!
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18:19 < Moe_Epsilon> Adrianzo: I also understand Spanish, so cursing at me in Spanish is quite dumb
18:19 < mareklug> jorm I must say I concur with foks on this one. I hardly see anything I would consider best on this list. Where is Patti Smith, where are The Smiths, where is Steve Hackett, where is Pink Floyd, where is Robert Fripp?
18:19 < haggis> mareklug: that's useless if you ask me,...
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18:19 < haggis> I suppose you could sell it for $9,000 :-P
18:19 < mareklug> haggis i am sure you would never pay for a book, for example
18:20 < jorm> philistines.
18:20 < haggis> I only like paper books.
18:20 < jorm> also, i said "in the past 25 years"
18:21 < mareklug> well even so. Nearly all the music I like from the past 25 years nicely skirts this ouvre.
18:21 < Adrianzo> Moe_Epsilon: I never cursed Animal
18:21 < Moe_Epsilon> <Adrianzo> Andate a la Mierda
18:21 < Adrianzo> Moe_Epsilon eso no es maldecir
18:21 < haggis> mareklug: 3D print penrose stairs :O
18:22 < Moe_Epsilon> -_- whatever, fool.
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18:23 < mattbuck> no radiohead?
18:23 < mattbuck> no muse
18:23 < mattbuck> no coldplay
18:23 < mattbuck> no conway twitty
18:23 < mattbuck> (he is still alive, right?)
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18:27 < jorm> i could never get into radiohead, coldplay, or muse.
18:27 < jorm> they just seemed a bit too. . . whiney for me.
18:27 < jorm> my wife loves conway twitty.
18:28 < mareklug> that would include Kate Bush, Marina and the Diamonds, Kimbra, Hey, The Dø, Buffalo Daughter, KT Tunstall, Amanda Jenssen, Lily Allen, Portishead/Beth Gibbons, Björk, Beth Orton, Brazilian Girls, dawn Landes, Týr, Garbage, Metric, Neko Case, The Moldy Peaches, St. Vincent or Sufjan Stevens
18:28 < mareklug> my 25 year's worth of best
18:28 < mareklug> years'
18:29 < mareklug> I censored myself and excluded Avirl Lavigne :)
18:29 < mareklug> Avril
18:30 < mattbuck> of those albums, I own...
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18:30 < mattbuck> none of them
18:31 < mareklug> and I agree on the douchebags (erm, radiohead, coldplay, muse, etc.)
18:31 < mareklug> mattbuck you don't have any kate bush?
18:31 < mattbuck> of your list, I like marina, lily, orton
18:31 < mattbuck> my dad half likes her, I think she has some occasional good songs, but mostly produces shit
18:32 < mareklug> mattbuck i bet you have not heard dawn or Brazilian Girls
18:32 < mattbuck> nope
18:32 < mattbuck> oh, and avril
18:32 < mareklug> or neko case
18:32 < mattbuck> no
18:32 < mareklug> or amanda
18:33 < mattbuck> no
18:33 < mareklug> or sufjan stevens
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18:34 < mattbuck> no
18:34 < mareklug> so basically, you have not heard of or heard 85% of what I mentioned. :)
18:34 < mattbuck> APPARENTLY NOT
18:34 < mareklug> so you are rather hardly in a position to entertain an informed opinion, shall we concede?
18:35 < mattbuck> to say what of your list I like? I'm perfectly informed
18:35 < mattbuck> I need to have listened to something to like it
18:35 < mattbuck> or to dislike
18:35 < mattbuck> except in exceptional circumstances
18:35 < mareklug> i will also contest the "kate bush made mostly shit" opinion. how many albums of kate bush do you actually know?
18:36 < mattbuck> eg bieber
18:36 < mattbuck> she lost me when she did the washing machines one
18:36 < MJ94> mareklug: do you ever sleep
18:36 < mareklug> what washing machines one?
18:36 < mareklug> i sleep when you sleep
18:36 < mareklug> MJ94 you did get the 12 inches of snow I sent you?
18:37 < MJ94> yes.
18:37 < mattbuck> you claimed it was 12
18:37 < mareklug> it is damn 12.
18:37 < mattbuck> but it was actually more like 5
18:37 < mareklug> Duluth suffers from the so-called lake effect
18:37 < mareklug> it was 5 only 20 miles inland
18:37 < MJ94> mareklug: where abouts do you live?
18:37 < mareklug> Chicago
18:37 < MJ94> Ah,
18:38 < MJ94> Hi neighbor, kinda sorta.
18:38 < mareklug> kinda sorta. also, I've been to your town.
18:38 < MJ94> Nice!
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18:38 < MJ94> It's 35 degrees right now
18:38 < mareklug> htere was a bigass iron ore ship moored to the port dock. and i went to the park that juts into the lake
18:39 < MJ94> park point?
18:39 < MJ94> :P
18:39 < mareklug> yup
18:39 < MJ94> yeah, we get ships
18:39 < MJ94> we have a lake, too
18:39 < mareklug> it's a very nice lake. nicest of the 5. six if you count the Bay as its own lake. :)
18:40 < MJ94> :)
18:40 < MJ94> I'm gonna go do homework. Later, mareklug :)
18:40 < mareklug> later
18:41 < mattbuck> in ball poland, homework can into you
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18:53 < mareklug> mattbuck just released http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KT%20Tunestall she is Scots. http://www.vevo.com/watch/kt-tunstall/feel-it-all/GBUV71300489
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19:10 < IShadowed> I return
19:10 < mareklug> do we get 5 cents for you?
19:10 < mareklug> as in deposit
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19:13 < IShadowed> no
19:13 < mattbuck> too bad
19:13 < mattbuck> guess we'll have to scribble all over you then
19:14 < mareklug> IShadowed if you were an Iowa vessel, we would get even ten cents
19:14 < IShadowed> k
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19:18 < Swob> i love the mIRC logo
19:18 < Swob> http://www.mirc.com/images/indexlogo.gif
19:18 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE
19:18 < Swob> the happy face doesnt even look much like a C anymore, its just a guy who's happy to be online chatting
19:18 * Jasper_Deng would use mIRC if it were free
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19:19 * SigmaWP would use windows if it were free and someone good with low level computing fixed it and made it unix compliant
19:19 < Swob> it's totally worth it for someone like me. I've paid $25 for 14 years of mIRC
19:19 < Swob> that's like half a cent per day
19:19 < mareklug> Swob why has every logo design these days have to be an emetic? Good design is out the window, welcome to kawaii.
19:19 < Swob> I can see someone who hasnt been on IRC for aaaaages not seeing the value though
19:20 < Swob> the older logo was more C-like
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19:20 < mareklug> link me the old logo, pls
19:20 < Swob> like the C was a Pacman
19:21 < Swob> cant really find it
19:21 < Swob> http://farm1.staticflickr.com/2/1639484_81854927ec.jpg <--- sort of like that
19:21 < Swob> it looks uglier scaled up, I guess
19:21 < MJ94> Swob: please no mirc
19:21 < MJ94> save yourself
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19:22 < Swob> dude. 14 years
19:22 < Swob> thats half my life
19:22 < Swob> Im firmly wedded to my chocie now
19:22 < MJ94> You've been IRCing almost my whole life
19:22 < Swob> Ive tried other IRC clients, sure, some of them are good, such as XChat, but not quite as good imo
19:22 < Swob> I used XChat when I was on Linux
19:22 < MJ94> Swob: Textual <3
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19:22 < closedmouth> mareklug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMTRk57ItvQ
19:24 < mareklug> closedmouth it is still too Bieber to be properly ambient
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19:25 < mareklug> needs more wasabi
19:25 < closedmouth> i was surprised how much i liked the effect it had on the song
19:25 < closedmouth> so washed out and spacey
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19:26 < Writ_Keeper> yo, legoktm, any word on the bug front?
19:26 < Writ_Keeper> and/or kaldari, now that i see he's here too
19:26 < Writ_Keeper> and yeah this should probably be in -tech, but whatever, sue me
19:27 < legoktm> hey
19:27 < kaldari> been working on bugs for the last 4 days, any in particular?
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19:27 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: Krenair uploaded a patchset
19:27 < legoktm> kaldari: the hasmsg one
19:27 < legoktm> maybe you can review it?
19:27 < kaldari> Oh yeah, I saw that
19:27 < kaldari> haven't had a chance to look at it yet
19:27 < kaldari> but saw it on Gerrit
19:27 < Writ_Keeper> k, no worries
19:28 < Writ_Keeper> more people are running into problems with my cookie hack
19:28 < Writ_Keeper> so it'd be nice to have
19:28 * kaldari nod
19:28 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: well you can use the echo api!
19:28 < legoktm> lemme get you the command
19:28 < mareklug> closedmouth I went to the original song to have a point of reference. I hope this will not cause YouTube to spam me with Bieber
19:28 < Writ_Keeper> how? the echo API i saw in the autodoc looked pretty barebones...
19:28 < Writ_Keeper> has it changed?
19:28 < legoktm> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=notifications¬prop=count&format=jsonfm
19:29 < kaldari> yeah, I deployed a couple Echo Api fixes today
19:29 < legoktm> if that number >=1, display the bar
19:29 < legoktm> of course, not all notifications are talk page messages
19:29 < Writ_Keeper> yeah, I know that, but that catches non-talkpage notifications
19:29 < Writ_Keeper> yeah
19:29 < kaldari> we need to add a filtering parameter
19:29 < kaldari> for types
19:29 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: ok well theres another option
19:29 < legoktm> you could
19:29 < Swob> so the orange bar comes on when there's 2 or more notifications?"
19:30 < legoktm> get https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=notifications&format=jsonfm
19:30 < legoktm> check if there are any "edit-user-talk" that dont have a 'read' key
19:30 < kaldari> the type is actually recorded as a data attribute in each notification's HTML that you can pull with the list prop, but that would probably require some regex messiness
19:30 < Writ_Keeper> yeah
19:31 < Writ_Keeper> okay, when I was trying that API query the other day, it was giving me an error
19:31 < kaldari> that should be fixed now
19:31 < kaldari> on the XML side
19:32 < Writ_Keeper> I assume there's also a mark-read API call?
19:32 < legoktm> Writ_Keeper: yes.
19:32 < kaldari> yeah
19:32 < Writ_Keeper> okay, cool
19:32 < Writ_Keeper> I think I can work with that then, thanks
19:32 < legoktm> you pass the ids to the notmarkread parameter
19:33 < kaldari> sorry the API is pretty weak at the moment
19:33 < kaldari> we had big plans for it, but only 2 devs and a short deadline :(
19:34 < kaldari> we just got another dev though, which will help
19:34 < kaldari> ebernhardson
19:34 < kaldari> aka Erik2
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19:40 < MJ94> hey Writ_Keeper
19:40 < MJ94> have a good night, all!
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19:41 < haggis> MJ94: you leaving?
19:41 < kaldari> Writ_Keeping: looks like you should be able to pull the type from XML now. Forgot it was in the attributes. No regex required :)
19:42 < MJ94> haggis: for the night, I have a big project due tomorrow…to start
19:42 < kaldari> oops, Writ_Keeper
19:42 < haggis> and you haven't started? Nice.
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19:42 < haggis> I have a biology exam and a story to write >_<
19:42 < kaldari> Writ_Keeper: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=xml&meta=notifications¬format=flyout¬limit=3¬prop=index|list|count
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19:43 < haggis> ermahgerd1
19:43 < haggis> Hazard-SJ! </bombard>
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19:45 * Hazard-SJ says hello to haggis too
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19:51 < haggis> Hazard-SJ: All downloaded?
19:53 < Hazard-SJ> Yes, I believe so
19:53 < Hazard-SJ> 3650505 for commons
19:54 < Hazard-SJ> haggis: I actually get results now :P
19:54 < haggis> ERMAHGERD <3
19:54 < haggis> Now... can we do anything with them... yet?
19:55 < Hazard-SJ> The first is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1930s_vibrated_concrete.jpg but it has {{KeepLocal}} on it >:(
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19:56 < Hazard-SJ> I'd have to either check all via api or do another join to the text table on enwiki_p to try to exclude those
19:58 * Hazard-SJ sighs the second is also KeepLocal
19:59 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/03/us-korea-north-usa-report-idUSBRE94200Z20130503 "North Korea's continuing development of nuclear technology and long-range ballistic missiles will move it closer to its stated goal of being able to hit the United States with an atomic weapon, a new Pentagon report to Congress said on Thursday."
20:00 < Swob> yeah
20:00 < Swob> but at least it's only going to hit the West Coast
20:00 < Swob> the West Coast is just basically a buffer area anyway
20:00 < mareklug> it's not going to hit.
20:00 < Swob> all the important cities are east of hte Mississippi
20:01 < mareklug> especially the city on Kennebunk
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20:02 < Swob> oh right, i should never have said 'cities'
20:02 < Swob> cities are expendable. Real people live in the countryside. Silly me
20:02 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/entertainment-us-slayer-jeffhanneman-idUSBRE9411DJ20130502 "Slayer heavy metal guitarist Jeff Hanneman dead at 49"
20:02 < mareklug> liver failure, they said
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20:03 < haggis> Hazard-SJ: Hm, can we skip keeplocal but keep them on a list?
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20:05 < haggis> Honestly I think the {{keeplocal}} tag is rubbish.
20:05 < mareklug> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/25/roundup-health-study-idUSL2N0DC22F20130425?feedName=OutloudFeed&feedType=RSS "Heavy use of herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers-U.S. study" <-- so who do you believe, Monsanto or MIT?
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20:07 < Bazinga> hallo
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20:11 < mareklug> russavia http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/22/us-space-rocket-idUSBRE93G18V20130422 "New U.S. rocket blasts off from Virginia launch pad"
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20:12 < mareklug> Virginia can into space. and soon we won't buy the Russian rockets anymore.
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20:17 < mareklug> Swob http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/02/new-pics-show-off-berlin-apple-store-interior-ahead-of-launch-fans-lining-up Berlin can into Apple Store finally. "There are reportedly 200 Apple employees on hand at the store from 20 nationalities, with 12 different languages spoken between them. "
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20:17 < mareklug> so it is basically the Apple Store for the rest of Europe and points southeast
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20:20 < addihockey10> mareklug: you've gotta admit though $10000 worth of apps/music is a pretty shitty prize
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20:20 < mareklug> addihockey10 it is shittier than if it were store credit, yes.
20:20 < mareklug> btw, read my link above (you are logged in as haggis )
20:20 < mareklug> read the comments especially. they are a riot.
20:20 < addihockey10> Link again plz
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20:21 < addihockey10> Haggis is offline atm
20:21 < mareklug> addihockey10 22:17:09] <mareklug> Swob http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/02/new-pics-show-off-berlin-apple-store-interior-ahead-of-launch-fans-lining-up Berlin can into Apple Store finally. "There are reportedly 200 Apple employees on hand at the store from 20 nationalities, with 12 different languages spoken between them. " so it is basically the Apple Store for the rest of Europe and points southeast
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20:23 < addihockey10> Good old deutscheland
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20:24 < {soap|bed}> hm
20:24 < addihockey10> Do you know how funny it would be if during a product unveiling the software glitches :P
20:25 < {soap|bed}> 200 employees for one store
20:25 < mareklug> and they will make hand over fist, too.
20:26 < mareklug> and since this is EU, they are decently paid and have all the benefits
20:26 * MJ94 bites addihockey10
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20:26 < addihockey10> Mj94 gross
20:27 < MJ94> edible
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20:28 < mareklug> addihockey10 http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/02/rare-apple-1-to-be-auctioned-off-this-month-for-expected-261k-to-392k <-- any windows machine like that? :)
20:32 < mareklug> addihockey10 you said something ignorant yesterday about Bluetooth on iPhone being only good for playing music? http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/157299/first-look-bluebulbs-iphone-controlled-led-bulb-looks-to-kill-light-switches "Unlike the Philips hue light bulb, which is controlled over Wi-Fi via a wireless gateway, BlueBulb uses energy-sipping Bluetooth 4.0 technology to make a direct connection with an Apple iOS device. For now,
20:32 < mareklug> support is limited to the iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, third and fourth-generation iPads, and the iPad mini. A free app is already available in the App Store, which offers a fairly deep feature set with support for color changing, individual control over the white and color LEDs and sleep/wake timers."
20:35 * Hazard-SJ wonders whether to ping addihockey10, Bazinga, or haggis :S
20:35 < eeekster> why wonder?
20:36 * Hazard-SJ doesn't know
20:36 < eeekster> so you can wonder about wondering
20:37 < Bazinga> Hazard-SJ: Ping Bazinga
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20:37 < Bazinga> mareklug: that's so pointless.
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20:38 < Steven_Zhang> legoktm: poke
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20:38 < legoktm> hi
20:38 < addihockey10_> ping addihockey10_
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20:38 * Jasper_Deng left Bazinga a message on addihockey10
20:38 < Bazinga> ok
20:38 < Bazinga> wtf
20:39 < MJ94> Bazinga!
20:39 < mareklug> addihockey10 your addihockey10_ is not protected, or the protection kicks in with a delay, you turkey.
20:39 < Bazinga> mareklug: I don't care.
20:39 < mareklug> Bazinga you also are all wet when it comes to that cool bulb.
20:40 < Bazinga> it's a light bulb that changes colours... not too special.
20:40 < mareklug> basically you say that b/c they did not bother (yet) to make an Android app
20:40 < Bazinga> if there was an android app I still wouldn't use it :-P
20:40 < mareklug> typical Android user condition. no fucking software.
20:41 < mareklug> another typical Android user condition: software with malware in it.
20:41 < mareklug> yet another typical Android user condition: phone makers who ship stale Android versions and never update them (on time or ever)
20:41 < Steven_Zhang> mbping
20:41 < Steven_Zhang> hm
20:43 < Bazinga> I don't buy a phone to turn on a light.
20:43 < mareklug> Bazinga you don't. but the phone / os should not stop those who do wanna.
20:43 < Bazinga> Anybody can code an app that does that.
20:44 < Bazinga> No one wants to because it's useless.
20:44 < mareklug> i don't think so. this another stoooooooooooooopid addihockey10 assertion from the cycle of everybody can use torrents and everbody can do DNS
20:44 < mareklug> except exponentially more stoooooooooopid
20:45 < Jasper_Deng> at least not factorially more stupid
20:45 < mareklug> no, at least not.
20:45 < mareklug> but exponentially is fast enough
20:47 < Bazinga> mareklug: have fun with your light.
20:47 < mareklug> I already have an LED screwin lightbulb. had one for years. I am an early adopter. :)
20:48 < Bazinga> what use is a colour-changing light?
20:48 < Jasper_Deng> does it have an IPv6 address, mareklug?
20:48 < mareklug> nope, it has a place on my table.
20:48 < mareklug> oh, it is a touch to switch on off thing, so it gets switched on every now and then when I brush against it
20:48 < Bazinga> Who honestly wants to be the guy who sits around and dicks around on their phone changing the colour/brightness of a lightbulb.
20:48 < Bazinga> Not my thing :-P
20:48 < mareklug> girls dig it
20:48 < mareklug> I am sure they do
20:49 < mareklug> girls like funny colors
20:49 < Jasper_Deng> Bazinga: in today's world, someone wants anything
20:49 * Jasper_Deng wonders if mareklug and Bazinga have seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2057_%28TV_series%29
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20:50 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng haven't watched but I do have discovery channel on my excuse of a cable tv service, so never say never
20:50 < Bazinga> Jasper_Deng: is it on TPB?
20:50 < Jasper_Deng> TPB=?
20:51 < mareklug> Bazinga watch it buddy, or the Royal Pain in the Ass Horsie Mounted Police will come knocking at your door.
20:51 < mareklug> the pirate's bay, the latest feature of North Korean IT
20:52 < Jasper_Deng> I'm guessing that mareklug and legoktm are going to predict that the "operating system" mentioned in that article will be a Linux kernel
20:52 < Bazinga> mareklug: get your facts straight. those are only for small towns
20:53 < mareklug> I always thought 'too to be a small town. but… meh
20:53 < mareklug> toon
20:53 < Bazinga> macs.
20:53 < Bazinga> the floppy disc of the 2000's
20:54 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng the linux kernel is problematic because it bloatedly tries to provision every known architecture, video card and device known to man woman addihockey10 and child
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20:55 < Steven_Zhang> who here
20:55 < Steven_Zhang> does peer reviews
20:55 < mareklug> I do pear reviews.
20:55 < mareklug> lately, I have 5 stars to bartlett
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20:58 < Steven_Zhang> no one wants a cookie\
21:00 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang a hint: start offering those frozen mini-éclairs that you can buy a whole boatload for 4.99 or sometimes 3.99 at Aldi's. They are >>>>>>>> cookies
21:00 < Steven_Zhang> i just want a peer review, lol
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21:06 < addihockey10> Penis
21:07 < addihockey10> Steven link meh to your article
21:08 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series)
21:08 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series))
21:08 < Steven_Zhang> :P
21:08 < Steven_Zhang> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Logan
21:08 < legoktm> Steven_Zhang: have you seen https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q24 ?
21:09 < Steven_Zhang> nope
21:09 < legoktm> click the link then!
21:09 < Steven_Zhang> id rather a peer review on martha logan
21:10 < Steven_Zhang> since it's probably easier to get featured
21:10 < legoktm> click!
21:10 < legoktm> click!
21:10 < Steven_Zhang> i did :P\
21:10 < SigmaWP> mareklug: What's kurwa?
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21:10 < SigmaWP> As seen in polandballs
21:10 < mareklug> whore.
21:10 < addihockey10> Steven zhang pretty good... Just make it flow easier... Especially in the second and fourth sections.
21:10 < mareklug> but more to the point it functions as fuck
21:11 < SigmaWP> ah, thanks
21:11 < Steven_Zhang> what about martha logan
21:11 < mareklug> np
21:11 < Steven_Zhang> i dare not ask malleus
21:11 < addihockey10> Haven't looked at it yet...
21:11 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang aren't there enough real Marthas for you to bio?
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21:12 < addihockey10> Let me boot up
21:12 < mareklug> 18th reverence in Martha is borked
21:13 < Steven_Zhang> hmm
21:13 < Steven_Zhang> let me see
21:14 < mareklug> i tried to fix it
21:15 < mareklug> is this what you had in mind? |title="24" still shocks (SPOILER ALERT) TV Blog
21:15 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang
21:17 < Steven_Zhang> hmm
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21:17 < mareklug> or is it |work=TV Blog ?
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21:17 < Steven_Zhang> <3 Thehelpfulone
21:18 < Steven_Zhang> let me fix
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21:18 < Steven_Zhang> ok, fixed
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21:20 < Steven_Zhang> shit
21:20 < Steven_Zhang> theres a dead linl
21:20 < Steven_Zhang> link
21:20 < addihockey10> Lol
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21:21 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang but what WA this TV Blog?
21:21 < mareklug> WAS
21:22 < Steven_Zhang> it had the same info as the primary source
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21:22 < jdale> hi
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21:24 < jdale> Anyone good in anthropology ?
21:25 < addihockey10> Me.
21:25 < addihockey10> What do you need to know?
21:32 < ChrisGualtieri> How many people do I need to have a Wikiproject go live? And should I announce its formation at the Pump, prior to going live?
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21:33 < Steven_Zhang> gah
21:33 < Steven_Zhang> anyone have a wayback machine
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21:33 < Steven_Zhang> i mean those tookls
21:33 < Steven_Zhang> the research tools
21:33 < Steven_Zhang> in the wikipedia library
21:34 < mareklug> wayback machine tools? first I hear? what is wrong with using its public interface on the web?
21:35 < mareklug> archive.org
21:35 < Steven_Zhang> no i mean like lexisnexis
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21:35 < mareklug> talk to someone with uni library access, like …legoktm!!!
21:35 < legoktm> Hi
21:36 < legoktm> ChrisGualtieri: Just yourself.
21:36 < legoktm> If you want other people to help, you should advertise it somehow.
21:36 < ChrisGualtieri> Sweet, and I got Questia and Highbeam access Steven_Zhang
21:36 < ChrisGualtieri> legoktm: I have one other person right now
21:37 < legoktm> cool
21:37 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri good on ya. this way the wikiproject will survive if one of you gets hit by a ten ton truck
21:37 < legoktm> normally you can spam people in a category or something
21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisGualtieri/Hentai
21:37 < ChrisGualtieri> Lol... I don't know if I want to spam it. :D
21:38 < ChrisGualtieri> Parsed out over 2000 titles meeting N and GNG that are not on Wiki and 90%+ of the articles are terrible that do exist with no GA or FA. I worked on the Hentai article for two weeks now
21:39 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri so why is it called the Hentai WIkiproject if it is about Hentai and Ecchi? Are you trying to insiduously smuggle ecchi under the radar?
21:40 < ChrisGualtieri> Hah, funny. The Japanese do not use the word 'hentai' as a genre so the ecchi aspect which includes hentai elements is rather subjective, especially in English
21:40 < eeekster> Sigh! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temples_of_Kerala&direction=prev&oldid=553300637
21:41 < The_Blade> Surprised, or merely disappointed?
21:41 < eeekster> certainly not surprised
21:41 < ChrisGualtieri> Green Green (anime) is an example of 'ecchi' being included because it was originally an erogame and a OVA is really hentai. And hentai in english means anything pornographic from anime and manga...
21:41 < mareklug> eeekster they have more temples in Kerala than we have MacDonalds in Chicago
21:42 < eeekster> it's the completely screwed up formatting that I really hate
21:42 < eeekster> and have removed
21:42 < ChrisGualtieri> Whoa.... what is with the overlapping text or is my graphics card shot?
21:42 < Steven_Zhang> ChrisGualtieri: can you look up something
21:43 < ChrisGualtieri> Sure
21:43 < Steven_Zhang> also, im guessing that link is nsfw
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21:43 < Steven_Zhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Logan#cite_ref-nutter_2-0
21:43 < Steven_Zhang> i need to get a link to that again
21:43 < ChrisGualtieri> My link, no, but the content is questionable
21:43 < addihockey10> Sigmawp
21:43 < addihockey10> PM..
21:43 < eeekster> ChrisGualtieri, it was overlapping and unreadable
21:43 < addihockey10> Or not...
21:44 < SigmaWP> ok
21:45 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri so explain this to me, how come the Japanese term "hentai" has a completely different take in English than in Japanese? Isn't that …unusual?
21:45 < mareklug> eeekster it looks very nice now.
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21:46 < ChrisGualtieri> mareklug: if you are not at work and don't mind one explicit image on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai has all your answers
21:46 < eeekster> columns aren't always a good thing
21:46 < eeekster> and they assume screen width
21:46 < ChrisGualtieri> Steven_Zhang: No hits on Questia or Highbeam, sorry
21:47 < The_Blade> mareklug; it has two different meanings in Japanese. Two different kanji for each.
21:47 < mareklug> The_Blade and it is never written in kana?
21:47 < The_Blade> It *can* be, it normally wouldn't be.
21:47 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri the images did not answer my question, but I am hoping The_Blade will
21:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Fine.. I'll explain
21:48 < mareklug> The_Blade so why is ChrisGualtieri's contention on point (if it is) that hentai in English != in Japanese
21:48 < The_Blade> The other meaning of hentai is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentaigana
21:48 < ChrisGualtieri> Eh no.
21:49 < ChrisGualtieri> Hentai is composed of two kanji
21:49 < ChrisGualtieri> 変 (hen; "change", "weird", or "strange") and 態 (tai; "appearance" or "condition")
21:49 < russavia> what's a hentai?
21:49 < mareklug> russavia looks to me like kwaii anime with fucking
21:49 < ChrisGualtieri> The term 変態性欲, hentai seiyoku is shortened to hentai by Japanese.
21:49 < russavia> isn't hentai the tentacle monster that rapes people?
21:49 < Steven_Zhang> aw man
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21:50 < ChrisGualtieri> The actual origin of the term dates back to the 1800's when German sexologistt Richard von Krafft-Ebing's text Psychopathia Sexualis was translated into Japanese
21:50 * The_Blade once ran into someone carrying some hentai comic out in the open, and almost pushed him down a flight of stairs.
21:50 < Steven_Zhang> its a major part of the article
21:51 < hackerGBQ> hi
21:51 < ChrisGualtieri> From there it was discussed in medical terms and became popular, though it was Tanaka who really broadcast it to masses and it culminated in the ero guro genre...
21:51 < russavia> The_Blade; there's no need to push people down the stairs -- buy your own hentai comics!
21:52 < mareklug> ChrisGualtieri does hentai visual stuff have to be "kute"?
21:52 < ChrisGualtieri> After WWII the word hentai had a split with ecchi/etchi, etchi being the first vowel of hentai, and meant lewd.
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21:52 < ChrisGualtieri> mareklug: Oh gods no, most of the stuff as in Japanese translation is absolutely vile and disgusting
21:52 < ChrisGualtieri> The first licensed one was Urotsukidōji which came out in 1993
21:53 < mareklug> then I suggest the wikiproject should make amends in the distorition as far illustrating the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai is concerned
21:53 < ChrisGualtieri> And yeah.. Urotsukidōji's tentacle sex was originally to get around Japanese censorship laws on depicting regular sex... >.>
21:53 < ChrisGualtieri> How in the world do I depict cute... moe ness?
21:54 < The_Blade> I admit I don't see how the tentacle sex would be *less* disturbing than normal sex, but that's just being rational now...
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21:54 < eeekster> I don't think rational applies :)
21:54 < ChrisGualtieri> Its Japan... the actual law as written prohibits male-female intercourse... by explicit wording
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21:56 < ChrisGualtieri> Hideo Azuma is the man you can thank for actually getting lolicon and the big pornography movement started...
21:56 < ChrisGualtieri> but Toshio Maeda did the tentacle stuff... and La blue girl... the two works synamous with hentai from 1990s...
21:58 < ChrisGualtieri> You know the worse thing is... Maeda's horrible things are actually not that bad compared to today's stuff. Abnormal hentai sells best...
21:58 < russavia> i was shown this piece of anime a while ago -- i was left wondering -- dafuq i just watch -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHun7cTFKV0
21:58 < The_Blade> See, *this* is why my sympathies lie with the Ainu. Their traditions are foreign, but they're not the ones churning hentai and lolicon out.
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21:59 < mareklug> Ainu sound like completely sane people. the overly cute Japanese esthetic is an emetic. Why don't THEY get it?
21:59 < ChrisGualtieri> Oh man... russavia that's hilarious
22:00 * The_Blade thinks the facial hair freaks Japanese people out, as no Japanese man could *ever* grow a kick-ass beard like them.
22:01 < ChrisGualtieri> So biased >.>;;;;
22:01 < ChrisGualtieri> What about Jigen from Lupin the 3rd?
22:01 < wctaiwan> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/chinese-spy-caught-with-nasa-laptop-full-of-porn-not-secrets/ rofl
22:02 < mareklug> wctaiwan it is public knowledge the best porn is made in usa.
22:02 < mareklug> the chinese will steal anything of ours that is of value
22:02 < The_Blade> Must have been an interesting interrogation.
22:02 < MJ94> mareklug: finish this sentence
22:02 < MJ94> Abby is a 20-year-old college sophomore living in a middle-class city in
22:03 < mareklug> Minnesota
22:03 < MJ94> hmmm…any state but MN :P
22:03 < mareklug> New Jersey
22:03 < mareklug> always works
22:03 < MJ94> thanks!
22:04 < ChrisGualtieri> Isn't that type of porn illegal in china... or any type?
22:04 < Steven_Zhang> hey
22:04 < wctaiwan> no idea, I just thought that was hilarious
22:04 < Steven_Zhang> but apart from the dead link
22:04 < Steven_Zhang> is the article fa ready?
22:05 < wctaiwan> when the news first made the rounds every news outlet was like OMG CHINESE GUY SPYING ON NASA AND NATIONAL SECURITY
22:05 < wctaiwan> and then now... nope, just watching porn and stealing a laptop
22:05 < mareklug> what about massive copyright infringement under DMCA? to the clink with him for that alone!
22:05 < ChrisGualtieri> Steven_Zhang: Isn't that source kinda key?
22:06 < mareklug> make MPAA sue the bejesus out of him and the government of the Peep Republic of China!
22:06 < ChrisGualtieri> Oh an yes, porn is illegal in China... you got to jail if caught with it
22:06 < wctaiwan> really?
22:06 < Steven_Zhang> it is
22:06 < mareklug> but he was stealing OUR PORN
22:06 < Steven_Zhang> i'll look it up in lexisnexis
22:06 < wctaiwan> I'm not sure whether minors watching porn is legal in Taiwan, really
22:06 < wctaiwan> but... people do it, and they don't go to jail for it.
22:06 * The_Blade is reading your exchange, and is seriously glad he pre-emptively backed up as many sources as possible in his latest endeavor.
22:07 < Steven_Zhang> i back up sources
22:07 < Steven_Zhang> just lost this one
22:07 < Steven_Zhang> argh
22:07 < ChrisGualtieri> " The sale of pornographic material is not illegal in Taiwan, however, due to the lack of copyrights for adult contents, much of the adult materials on sale are not authorized. "
22:07 < wctaiwan> ah.
22:07 < ChrisGualtieri> As for minors... unknown
22:08 < ChrisGualtieri> Actually... some of the content on Wikipedia is actually 'illegal' under US Law.
22:09 * Steven_Zhang crosses fingers
22:09 < wctaiwan> then you should definitely ask that they be taken down.
22:09 < Steven_Zhang> YES
22:09 < Steven_Zhang> YES
22:09 < Steven_Zhang> YES
22:09 < Steven_Zhang> it is in lexis nexis <3
22:09 < The_Blade> Good to hear.
22:09 < Steven_Zhang> i can resource it to the original newspaper article :)
22:09 < Steven_Zhang> re-source
22:09 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi
22:09 < wctaiwan> hello
22:10 < ChrisGualtieri> Yay Steven_Zhang
22:11 < ChrisGualtieri> Wctaiwan... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States
22:11 < wctaiwan> okay, and..?
22:11 < Steven_Zhang> how about now?
22:12 < mareklug> wctaiwan oh dear. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/rooting-exploit-could-turn-google-glass-into-secret-surveillance-tool/
22:12 < wctaiwan> mareklug: saw, don't like it.
22:12 < wctaiwan> I really don't like the privacy implications of google glass.
22:13 < mareklug> don't like WHAT
22:13 < mareklug> I don't like google glass either
22:13 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: Basicially a cartoon stick figure can be obscene and count as underage porn because you can't prove a negative and the 'minor' as depicted doesn't exist. The law is also flawed in that it borrows terms as a 'person' from the original law, making it moot, but is not held up as such...
22:13 < wctaiwan> don't like the fact that something like that is now in the wild.
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22:14 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: I think what you said is very much debatable
22:14 < Steven_Zhang> i like google glass
22:14 < wctaiwan> but IANAL, or indeed, american.
22:15 < Steven_Zhang> should I put it up for FA?
22:15 < ChrisGualtieri> wctaiwan: Debate it all you like the law is at best, stupid people making stupid decisions for the wrong reasons with good intentions.
22:15 < ChrisGualtieri> I would Steven_Zhang, at worse you will find out whats wrong with it.
22:16 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: I'll believe you when there is a ruling that takes that sort of interpretation, i.e. stick figure porn might be minor porn.
22:16 < wctaiwan> because I don't think it's ever going to happen.
22:17 < mareklug> Steven_Zhang you also probably like all kinds of dudas on your phone service.
22:18 < ChrisGualtieri> Of the three cases, two are lolicon and one is Simpsons (offending pics were actually published online in the newspaper to boot) and there is a recent one with pixies and elves in New Zealand
22:19 < russavia> what is it with #wp-en and it's fascination with porn? ;)
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22:20 < ChrisGualtieri> http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html
22:20 < wctaiwan> russavia: you're to blame, basically.
22:20 < ChrisGualtieri> Sometimes its about the speech, sometimes law, sometimes they just want boobs?
22:21 < russavia> oh wow wctaiwan -- you read JW's talk page too eh? ;)
22:21 < wctaiwan> I don't, actually
22:21 < wctaiwan> mostly stick to AN/I and RFA.
22:21 < wctaiwan> I'm of the school of thought that his talk page is the last resort of those who can't get what they want elsewhere.
22:21 < russavia> oh go read his talk page for latest idiocy
22:22 < wctaiwan> it annoys me greatly that his talk page is alternatingly *his* talk page or a public forum depending on the whims of himself and people who got laughed off noticeboards.
22:22 < wctaiwan> cba.
22:22 < russavia> "or building consensus to get rid of Russavia and rebuilding Commons as something other than what it now is." -- that's right people -- Russavia is to blame (TM)
22:23 < ChrisGualtieri> Wikipedia is too self destructive with its cliques >.>;
22:23 < mareklug> who wrote that?
22:23 < russavia> Evanh2008
22:23 < russavia> I am afraid that the getting rid of Russavia part completely disqualifies your proposal. odder (talk) 6:13 pm, Yesterday (UTC+8)
22:23 < russavia> Disqualifies it in the eyes of the Russavia Fan Club, sure. But those sorts of people are not really relevant to the discussion. Tarc (talk) 8:21 pm, Yesterday (UTC+8)
22:23 < russavia> tell tarc to GFH
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22:24 < wctaiwan> ChrisGualtieri: it's not even cliques, per se. It's the... factional warfare.
22:24 < russavia> if that isn't an open admission of a gang mentality on the part of Tarc i dont know what is
22:25 < Steven_Zhang> nominated
22:26 < russavia> wctaiwan -- you are basically write -- i've gone there once to raise issue of WR/WO harassment of Fae last year
22:26 < russavia> *basically right
22:27 < russavia> and that resulted in Jayen466's wife (apparently) stating that I am gay because I hate women lol
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22:27 < wctaiwan> and really, if you're constantly debating at his talk page
22:27 < wctaiwan> probably time that you got off wikipedia
22:27 < wctaiwan> since you're no longer doing any sort of encyclopedia building
22:28 < wctaiwan> just peripheral discussions, and the ones that take place there aren't pleasant.
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22:28 < russavia> wctaiwan -- funniest thing i've seen in a while -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADelicious_carbuncle&diff=553234176&oldid=548332915
22:28 < wctaiwan> not going to bother. reading popehat :p
22:29 < wctaiwan> "the failure mode of funny is asshole"
22:29 < wctaiwan> brilliant.
22:29 < russavia> great...will tuck that quote away for future use :)
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22:33 < russavia> someone get this guy a computer to develop a Nama Wikipedia -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nama_man_giving_us_a_lesson_in_the_click_language_(3694165852).jpg -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoekhoe_language
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22:33 < ChrisGualtieri> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/warner-brothers-sued-for-unauthorized-use-of-two-feline-internet-memes/ Lol
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22:36 < russavia> and so it goes full circle
22:37 < russavia> oops-- guess we better clean up commons-- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata-Cat.gif
22:38 < wctaiwan> yeah, was wondering about that one
22:39 < wctaiwan> tbh I'd think that the nominator is right? Just because you redrew the whole thing doesn't mean it's not a derivative
22:39 < wctaiwan> but IANAL
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22:40 < russavia> deleted
22:41 < wctaiwan> ....erm
22:41 < wctaiwan> you didn't take what I said into account, I hope?
22:41 < wctaiwan> the reason I saw and didn't vote is because I don't know..
22:42 < russavia> no wctaiwan- i never listen to you ;)
22:42 < wctaiwan> heh
22:42 < russavia> it being a DW is obvious
22:42 < wctaiwan> okay
22:44 < wctaiwan> the last thing I want is for something I say offhand on IRC to translate into an action on-wiki. That'd only reinforce the (imo incorrect) notion that there is an IRC cabal that collude to do stuff on-wiki
22:45 < mareklug> i think that is unreasonable. irc is just a real-time communication place and it excludes no one. so it is a self-selecting set of editors who just happen to be fast-connected.
22:45 < mareklug> and they do bicker.
22:45 < ChrisGualtieri> IRC is just easier then talk pages >.>
22:45 < mareklug> not any cabal
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22:46 < wctaiwan> right, I think people don't noitce the internal bickering part
22:46 < mareklug> well, they shuold come onto irc more !
22:46 < mareklug> :/
22:46 < russavia> even more problematic internet meme stuff to be dealt with on commons :(
22:46 < russavia> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:%22Chuck_Norris_facts%22-related_images
22:46 < wctaiwan> the way I see it is, it's certainly useful for collaboration, but I'd hesitate to use it for any editorial disputes, deletion discussions, nominations, etc etc.
22:47 < MJ94> mareklug: goodnight for real
22:47 < wctaiwan> whereby hesitate I mean avoid entirely
22:47 < MJ94> wctaiwan: nini
22:47 < wctaiwan> night MJ94
22:47 < mareklug> MJ94 night night
22:47 < wctaiwan> 1. it's only a small subset of the community, and 2. there is no public record.
22:49 < mareklug> http://www.voanews.com/content/pakistani-prosecutor-in-bhutto-case-gunned-down/1653669.html this mickeymouse land
22:50 < russavia> 2) there is a public record -- GNAA takes care of that
22:51 < wctaiwan> not officially
22:51 < wctaiwan> not in a way that's easy for others to see
22:52 < russavia> i'd be more concerned with the stuff done via other means
22:52 < wctaiwan> mareklug: did they fix your TV?
22:52 < mareklug> yes they did. and then they had to fix my website. and lots of other stuff. so for once, everything is peachy.
22:53 < wctaiwan> great
22:53 < wctaiwan> then you'd surely be in the mood to take the request I made last time? :P
22:53 < wctaiwan> (changing the lenegd for Byzantine Empire at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Byzantine_Empire_1025-en.svg)
22:53 < mareklug> elaborate please
22:54 < mareklug> wctaiwan by the way, I am provisioned for 50/4 and my best download is http://speedtest.net/result/2682774323.png
22:54 < wctaiwan> the legend doesn't match the colour, which was changed.
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22:54 < mareklug> why is there all that Spanish on the page?
22:54 < wctaiwan> I just need someone to open it up in an SVG editor and fill the box with the same colour as is actually used on the map
22:55 < wctaiwan> probably latin
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22:56 < mareklug> wctaiwan I am not sure I understand the coloring request. The empire itself is in kind of dusty plum, and it is not even listed in the legend. everything in the legend matches everything else on the map
22:56 < mareklug> colorwise
22:57 < wctaiwan> um, isn't the "Byzantine Empire: 1025" box supposed to be said dusty plume?
22:58 < wctaiwan> s/:/,/
22:58 < mareklug> oh.
22:58 < mareklug> doing...
22:59 < wctaiwan> (that's some very nice speedtest result)
23:00 < mareklug> i know, way above what they promise, which is unusual. 6.8 Mbps OVER the provision?
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23:03 < kelapstick> Russavia: I am going to try to get to that church on Thursday
23:04 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: 天 = tian right?
23:04 < SigmaWP> :(
23:05 < SigmaWP> Is that the sound of head banging I hear over the Pacific?
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23:08 < Steven_Zhang> yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
23:08 < Steven_Zhang> $1842 bonus :SD
23:09 < Steven_Zhang> :D
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23:11 < Steven_Zhang> hey guillom
23:11 < guillom> hi
23:11 < wctaiwan> SigmaWP: it is
23:11 < wctaiwan> and yes
23:11 < wctaiwan> and I was afk
23:11 < SigmaWP> afk smashing your brains out over my illiteracy!
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23:12 < SigmaWP> Mdann52: Haven't seen you in a bit
23:12 < Mdann52> I've been........busy
23:13 < Mdann52> Kinda got roped into Wikia for a bit....
23:13 * Jasper_Deng strongly dislikes that Wikia has been too lazy to upgrade to IPv6
23:15 * Mdann52 blocked a ton of IP's anyway, so doesn't care
23:15 < mareklug> wctaiwan finally done and all the caches purged
23:15 < Steven_Zhang> wikia, lol.
23:15 < wctaiwan> thank you very much
23:15 * Mdann52 also hates the fact Wikia fails to provide a purge button
23:16 < mareklug> you are most welcome wctaiwan
23:16 < wctaiwan> &action=purge, Mdann52
23:16 < Mdann52> That involved extra typing effort.....
23:16 < mareklug> Mdann52 just stick it on a hot key or a function key on your keyboard.
23:16 < Mdann52> And it's a ? on wikia, not a &
23:16 < mareklug> it works with either
23:17 < Mdann52> Not for me.....
23:17 < mareklug> it is actually universal syntax nothing to do with wikia per se
23:17 < SigmaWP> ^
23:17 < wctaiwan> Mdann52: first argument takes ?, the rest take &
23:17 < wctaiwan> I was thinking of /w/index.php?title=X&action=purge, which is why i said &action=purge.
23:18 < Mdann52> Gotcha
23:19 < wctaiwan> class time. Later
23:19 < SigmaWP> bye
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23:20 < mareklug> I caught my WiFi doing 243 Mbps but it is so shy, it immediately retreated to its lately usual 216
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23:59 < SuicidalZerg> Anyone around here know why I would get ghosting on an S-video signal?
23:59 < Shirik> the better question
23:59 < Shirik> is why the hell anyone still uses S-video
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