User:Badmachine/wikipedia-en-2013-06-06
MyWikiBiz, Author Your Legacy — Thursday November 07, 2024
Jump to navigationJump to search--- Log opened Thu Jun 06 19:37:55 2013 19:37 -!- anomynous [~nick@198.144.190.20] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 -!- Irssi: #wikipedia-en: Total of 210 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 208 normal] 19:37 -!- Irssi: Join to #wikipedia-en was synced in 1 secs 19:38 -!- Peter-C [Peter-C@wikimedia/Peter.C] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:38 < funnyfarm299> Evening. 19:40 -!- YE|Coaching is now known as YE 19:42 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 19:44 < SigmaWP> funnyfarm299: hi 19:46 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:46 < funnyfarm299> Don't tell Nawlins, but I don't get the appeal of New Orleans 19:49 < Soapy> I dont get the appeal of the West Coast 19:49 < Soapy> or most of the South 19:50 < Soapy> New orleans is not a place Id ever want to live 19:50 < Soapy> it does have the appeal of uniqueness though 19:50 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:50 < Soapy> if you were born there youll never find another place to live thatll make you say "yeah, just like home" 19:51 < funnyfarm299> Example: most streetcars are at least 5 minutes late. That would get you fired if you worked for NYC subway. 19:51 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 -!- TOS [TOS@wikipedia/TheOriginalSoni] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:52 < Soapy> oh have you lived there? 19:52 < Soapy> that seems like a thing only a local would know 19:53 < Soapy> supposedly the Nawlins accent sounds more like a NYC accent than a southern one 19:53 < Soapy> its not really much of a Southern city 19:54 -!- Revent [~Revent@108-202-173-14.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:55 < funnyfarm299> I'm here now. 19:55 < Soapy> ok cool 19:56 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 19:56 -!- bitcoin_boy [bitcoin_bo@unaffiliated/bitcoin-boy/x-2615748] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57 -!- sdamashek is now known as sdamashek|sleep 20:01 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03 -!- bjelleklang [~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:04 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-96-224-16-128.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:06 -!- GabrielF [~GabrielF@wikipedia/GabrielF] has quit [Quit: GabrielF] 20:08 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 20:08 -!- Swarrley [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:08 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 20:09 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:09 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:09 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:13 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:15 < mareklug> Chicago leads Los Angeles at Los Angeles 3-2 with 12:00 to go in the game. If the Kings lose, it will be the first time at home in very long time. and the series will be 3-1 Chicago and moving to Chicago. 20:17 -!- sam____ is now known as sam 20:17 -!- GabrielF [~GabrielF@wikipedia/GabrielF] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 < mareklug> 8:37 20:21 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Quit: Good night, and good luck.] 20:22 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 20:23 -!- D1000|Away is now known as Demiurge1000 20:23 < mareklug> 6:39 20:25 -!- Jeske_Couriano_ [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 -!- Jeske_Couriano_ [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:25 -!- Jeske_Couriano_ [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:26 < mareklug> 4:37 penalty against Chicago 20:26 < IDoH> mareklug: Basketball? 20:26 < mareklug> hockey, finals of the conference. winner of the series plays for Stanley Cup 20:26 < mareklug> on the other side it's Boston vs. Pittsburgh 20:27 < mareklug> IDoH there is no score such as 3-2 in basketball ….well maybe in the first minutes 20:27 < IDoH> Ah, I see. 20:27 < IDoH> You're a sports fanatic 20:27 < mareklug> no, some sports. And it is the Chicago Blackhawks 20:27 < IDoH> Some sports. You love some sports 20:28 < mareklug> some. women's tennis 20:28 -!- mode/#wikipedia-en [-b *!*@*krystallnacht.com$#wikimedia-ops] by Prodego 20:28 < Swarrley> yay Prodego 20:28 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:29 -!- Jeske_Couriano_ is now known as Jeske_Couriano 20:29 < mareklug> 3:40 20:30 < mareklug> 0:35 left on the powerplay. 3:12 left, faceoff in Los Angeles zone 20:31 < Soapy> i saw somw women playing tennis a few days ago 20:32 < mareklug> 2:12 20:32 < mareklug> Soapy were they Maine women> 20:32 -!- VunKruz [~hhhh@108-206-230-100.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:33 < mareklug> icing, faceoff in Los Angeles zone. 1:50 remaining, equal forces 20:34 < mareklug> 1:20 faceoff in Chicago zone 20:34 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:35 < mareklug> 52.4 seconds left 20:36 -!- fumika [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:36 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:37 < mareklug> 18.2 seconds, offside by Los Angeles 20:39 < mareklug> First home ice loss in these playoff for the Los Angeles Kings! Chicago leads 3-1 and back to Chicago. 20:39 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:39 < mareklug> legoktm ^^ 20:39 < legoktm> I hate both teams :/ 20:39 < legoktm> But Fuck LA 20:40 < mareklug> legoktm there is no reason to hate the venerable and cutely attired Blackhawks, the nicest logo in professional hockey. 20:41 < mareklug> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVU-CsEBpZwzk1TqpjUr3CHUiMTRA1ANzMP7ypVmiKs6_YTce6o3Ek140HkQ 20:41 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:42 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|iPad 20:43 -!- Sadeukko_ [~AnXa@84-253-230-1.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:43 -!- Sadeukko [~AnXa@84-253-230-1.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:44 -!- Revent [~Revent@108-202-173-14.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:44 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:45 -!- funnyfarm299 [~funnyfarm@wikipedia/Funnyfarmofdoom] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:47 < mareklug> IDoH do you like the Blackhawks logo? 20:47 < IDoH> I dunno 20:47 < mareklug> it is supposed to represent the real person, Chief Blackhawk 20:47 < IDoH> Really? 20:48 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:48 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:48 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:48 < mareklug> click 20:48 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_(Sauk_leader) 20:49 -!- Koi is now known as Charmlet 20:50 < mareklug> Iowa's nickname of the "Hawkeye State" is a tribute to Black Hawk.[52] 20:50 < mareklug> The United States Army Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter. 20:51 < mareklug> Four United States Navy vessels were named USS Black Hawk. 20:51 -!- fumika [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53 < Soapy> that hair 20:56 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:56 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:56 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:58 < mareklug> Soapy so there were two great Indian chiefs who fought on the side of the British in the 1812 war, Tecumseh of central Indiana and Black Hawk of essentially rock Island, Quad Cities Illinois/Iowa border on the Mississippii 20:59 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hawk_State_Historic_Site 21:00 < Soapy> did they really think the British were their friends? 21:00 < mareklug> well, they knew the Long Knives (the US Army) were not, and all the settlers streaming in. 21:02 < Soapy> oh thats right 21:02 < Soapy> Britain still had Canada then 21:02 < Soapy> so it was a serious military presence 21:02 < Soapy> if the British somehow won the War of 1812, they probably would have given some US land to Canada 21:02 < TeeTylerToe> it was probably tribal rivalries between the indians 21:03 < harej> some? try all 21:03 < TeeTylerToe> the enemy of their enemy was their friend 21:03 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:03 < Soapy> well I dont think Britain seriously considered taking over the USA 21:04 < Jasper_Deng> or did they? 21:04 < TeeTylerToe> like india or something 21:04 < Jasper_Deng> They burned the white house 21:04 < Soapy> they would never have been able to do that 21:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 21:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:04 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:05 < coyoteTCC> l 21:05 < coyoteTCC> hola coma estas 21:07 < Soapy> I think Britain viewed the USA in those days the way the US viewed Vietnam in 1970 21:08 < mareklug> yeah. had the British won we would be on the metric system already and have health insurance for all. And very crummy road system. 21:08 < Soapy> worth fighting over, but not worth wasting the whole British army on when there were other countries to fight 21:08 < Soapy> so even if Britain could have fought to the death and won, it wasnt worth it because then they would be easy prey in Europe 21:08 < Soapy> the same thing in 1776 21:08 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 21:09 < Soapy> it wasnt like America was ready to come on over and occupy the UK 21:09 < coyoteTCC> yes, 33 and what not. lol 21:09 < coyoteTCC> ;-) 21:09 < mareklug> Soapy England was fighting for its life against Napoleon in 1811-13 21:09 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:09 < Soapy> Nappy was still on the loose in 1812?? 21:10 < SigmaWP> Soapy: yes 21:10 < mareklug> he invaded Russia in 1812. Had he not done that, he would have defeated teh British 21:10 < Soapy> hmm 21:10 < mareklug> same with the Nazis 21:10 < SigmaWP> 1812 Overture is about Napoleon 21:13 < BlastHardcheese> but was it over when the french bombed pearl harbor 21:14 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 21:14 < Swarrley> SigmaWP: I admire Marc. 21:14 < Swarrley> Marx 21:14 < SigmaWP> yay 21:15 < coyoteTCC> I admire Stalin 21:15 < Swarrley> http://teespring.com/marxistutopia 21:15 < mareklug> it's easy to admire Marx from a distance, when you grew up in 21st century Canada. 21:15 < coyoteTCC> he was good men 21:15 < BlastHardcheese> I admire Groucho Marx 21:16 < SigmaWP> I think Hungary had the highest support for socialism 21:16 < SigmaWP> and Poland the least 21:16 < mareklug> Hungary had the 1956 revolution which was very bloody and was suppressed with Russian army 21:16 < SigmaWP> I know 21:16 < Swarrley> FUCK 21:16 < mareklug> so try Bulgaria 21:17 < Swarrley> I had a t-shirt idea 21:17 < Swarrley> but I forgot it 21:17 < SigmaWP> What even goes on there anyway 21:17 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:17 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:18 -!- monkeyham [ae358e34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.53.142.52] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 -!- monkeyham [ae358e34@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.53.142.52] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23 < mareklug> IDoH and all the Marxists. Here is a cooky lady of yesteryar just for ya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoEmhQP774 Lene Lovich - "Lucky Number" (live) 21:24 < Firefly67> BlastHardcheese: I admire Groucho Marx too 21:26 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:27 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:27 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:34 < mareklug> IDoH did you like Lene? 21:35 < IDoH> mareklug: Haven't listened to it yet. 21:35 < IDoH> OMG her voice is annoyin 21:35 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:35 < IDoH> annoying 21:35 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Quit: Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds the demand.] 21:35 -!- juliancolton [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35 -!- Swarrley [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:36 < mareklug> no it is not. I will link you another, but studio version from her debut album, Stateless 21:36 < IDoH> Okay. 21:38 < mareklug> IDoH while I look, check out our article about her album, look at the critical reception scores http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_(Lene_Lovich_album) 21:38 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:38 -!- Soapy [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 21:40 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V8Gyr4FPt8 Lene Lovich-Tonight (what you see there is the American cover, the one I have) 21:40 < TeeTylerToe> she's my radiation baby; she's my... teenage fallout... queen 21:41 < IDoH> More tolerable 21:42 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:43 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:43 < IDoH> mareklug: I like this better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URPtOAs_eMc 21:44 < mareklug> yeah, that's a sweet tune. 21:46 < mareklug> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_kDjF40g8A but consider the English original, Lene Lovich I think we're alone now 21:46 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:46 -!- Jamesofur is now known as Jamesofur|away 21:46 < IDoH> Yea! 21:47 < mareklug> she was hugely popular in 1979 among the cool people 21:48 < mareklug> her performances were always completely over the top as compared to her singing on the albums. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isI2ray8cFE Say When (live) 21:49 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:49 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:50 -!- Prodego [~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51 < mareklug> IDoH compare the above live version against the studio version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8XDCnA2szc Say When 21:52 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:52 < IDoH> That's just a bad song. 21:52 < mareklug> no it is not! 21:52 < mareklug> read the comments, better yet, listen to it again. "Easily the best single release she had. Thanks for posting. Liked it upon release, still like it now" 21:53 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:54 < mareklug> and this rousing number, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMq8C23pn7w "1 in a 1,000,000" 21:55 -!- GabrielF [~GabrielF@wikipedia/GabrielF] has quit [Quit: GabrielF] 21:55 -!- Susan [sex@wikipedia/MZMcBride] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:59 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:59 -!- AaronBale [~AaronBale@74-133-164-159.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:01 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01 -!- bazinga [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:07 -!- Mike_HH is now known as Mike_H 22:07 < harej> haltermike 22:08 < coyoteTCC> haha 22:09 < coyoteTCC> harej you in NJ? 22:09 < harej> nope 22:09 < coyoteTCC> its 100am there 22:09 < harej> 1 am here too 22:09 < coyoteTCC> somewhere on east coast of usa 22:09 < coyoteTCC> i am in nj 22:09 < coyoteTCC> seaside 22:09 < harej> neat! how's the boardwalk? 22:10 < coyoteTCC> too many hookars 22:13 < harej> yes but has it improved from its state of being destroyed? 22:13 < mareklug> System Uptime: 2 Days, 7 Hours, 31 Minutes, 29 Seconds - Textual Uptime: 2 Days, 7 Hours, 29 Minutes, 13 Seconds 22:13 < harej> thanks klugman 22:16 < coyoteTCC> Server Up 353 days, 6:16:03 22:16 < coyoteTCC> Highest connection count: 10527 (10526 clients) (2446892 connections received) 22:16 < coyoteTCC> Server Up 353 days, 6:16:03 22:16 < coyoteTCC> Highest connection count: 10527 (10526 clients) (2446892 connections received) 22:16 < IDoH> coyoteTCC, once is enough. :-) 22:16 < coyoteTCC> this is true. 22:19 -!- RD [~Ryan@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:20 -!- RD [~Ryan@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:22 < TeeTylerToe> during katrina there was one domain name server in new orleans that didn't have any downtime through the whole hurricane and recovery 22:23 -!- albel727 is now known as albel727_ 22:24 -!- FastLizard4|iPad is now known as FastLizard4 22:25 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@176.254.35.61] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:25 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@176.254.35.61] has quit [Changing host] 22:25 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:27 -!- IDoH [~IDoH@wikipedia/I-dream-of-horses] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:34 < mareklug> coyoteTCC I guess you don't install updates on that server that require it to restart 22:35 -!- bjelleklang [~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39 -!- Ks0stm [~Ks0stm@wikipedia/Ks0stm] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:41 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:44 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:44 < bazinga> mareklug : went to a mac store today, they wanted to sell an imac with outdated specs for about the same price as my PC 22:45 < mareklug> what's a mac store? there are no Apple stores in Saskachewan 22:45 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:46 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: probably not officially an Apple store 22:46 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:46 < Jasper_Deng> probably a 3rd-party store 22:46 * Jasper_Deng thinks that illustrates one of his biggest reasons for disliking Macs 22:46 < bazinga> Actually, mareklug, I moved. 22:46 < mareklug> you can't lay the outrageous outrages perpetrated by local prairie merchants at the feet of Apple. 22:47 < mareklug> so you moved to a city with a real Apple Store? ppl running around in dark blue t-shirts? 22:47 < TeeTylerToe> I hear Apple invented outsourcing manufacturing to china and dodging taxes 22:47 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:48 < bazinga> I went to the Vancouver apple store 22:48 < mareklug> TeeTylerToe gee, I hear Google invented it as well 22:48 < Jasper_Deng> well, Andrew Carnegie didn't invent vertical integration either 22:48 < mareklug> bazinga so what were the specs and the price of this iMac? 22:48 < TeeTylerToe> But SURELY apple is the devil! No other company would do bad things like dodge taxes! Not General Electric, or Dell, or Lenovo 22:48 < TeeTylerToe> I'm sure Lenovo makes all it's computers in the US 22:49 < mareklug> of course they do. they bought that business from IBM, and everyone knows IBM is a TJ Watson Laboratory in New York 22:49 < Jasper_Deng> eh, Lenovo is Chinese, so they can make it in China and it wouldn't be outsourcing, would it? 22:49 < TeeTylerToe> And dell wouldn't charge customers $200 for a hdd upgrade to a hdd that only costs $70. They're a good american company 22:49 < mareklug> Dell is actually owned and entirely run by wiley Indians. 22:50 < mareklug> htey may be in California, but they are very Indian in their business attitudes 22:50 -!- Lara|Study [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Jennavecia] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:50 < bazinga> TeeTylerToe I did see a third party mac retailer try to sell a very basic Optical drive for $80 22:51 < bazinga> (identical to the one I got for $15) 22:51 < mareklug> bazinga try to find values as opposed to focus on nonvalues 22:51 < TeeTylerToe> Did you know that best buy sells pure, 0% oxygen DVI cables for like $2,000 claiming that it improves the digital signal 22:52 < bazinga> Best Buy and Future Shop are shit 22:52 < TeeTylerToe> It's probably Apple's fault I'm sure. Zombie steve jobs probably is making them do it 22:52 -!- wctaiwan [b99902035@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:52 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: you also can't deny that in many cases (I'm not sure about the newest Macbooks), you must buy an external add-on for external displays 22:52 < mareklug> whaaaa? 22:52 < wctaiwan> such a lovely thing to walk into. 22:52 < bazinga> Heeey wctaiwan 22:52 < Jasper_Deng> and to make use of displayports, you need to also buy external add-ons 22:52 < wctaiwan> hi. 22:52 < TeeTylerToe> some of their laptops use displayport or something 22:53 < bazinga> Brb gotta get a hit of crystal 22:53 < wctaiwan> I'm just going to carefully back away. 22:53 < mareklug> they use DVI 22:53 * bazinga lols at Jasper_Deng 22:53 < wctaiwan> mareklug: mini DVI, needs adapter 22:53 < mareklug> they may have microDVI or miniDVI holes in them 22:53 < TeeTylerToe> Don't move! An apple genius will kill you! 22:53 < mareklug> wctaiwan my iMac and my Air both came with adapters 22:53 < TeeTylerToe> that's what they do to everyone who tries to leave their stores 22:54 < wctaiwan> you bought an Air? 22:54 < mareklug> in 2008 I bought a refurbished air. I just updated it's itunes remotely. it's desktop is now on my scren 22:54 < mareklug> e 22:55 < wctaiwan> oh. 22:55 < wctaiwan> My iMac said yesterday that it would take 2 hours to download the 149MB (!) iTunes update 22:55 -!- StevenW [~StevenW@wikimedia/steven-walling] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55 < bazinga> Well then 22:55 < wctaiwan> I force quit App Store to cancel the update. 22:55 < Jasper_Deng> wctaiwan: which, to be fair, you can't fault the Mac for. 22:56 < wctaiwan> of course I can fault apple for not doing incremental udpates properly 22:56 < mareklug> wctaiwan it was not 149 MB for me, and in any case, it was already downloaded when it told me the update was up and read to be installed. change your software update defaults and it will download it when you are not looking. 22:56 < wctaiwan> I'll look into that 22:56 < bazinga> Apple and Sony have crappy updates afaik 22:57 < TeeTylerToe> Can I fault Microsoft for making me reboot about a billion times every other day? 22:57 < bazinga> Nothing about content 22:57 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I bet you have a fun time reading winsupersite.com 22:57 < mareklug> bazinga can you say anything true about Apple? 22:57 < bazinga> But just the way they're deployed 22:57 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: kinda, they took out that setting in Windows 7 22:57 < Dcoetzee> By far the most offensive thing Microsoft does is to force reboots for critical security updates 22:57 < Jasper_Deng> and you have to mod the registry to stop it. 22:57 < wctaiwan> Jasper_Deng: I read it for laughs >.> 22:57 < Dcoetzee> I don't care how important it is for the integrity of the ecosystem, I don't like losing my data 22:57 < IShadowed> no, it was hiring you\ 22:57 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: you can disable it in the registry. 22:58 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: Yeah I know :-) 22:58 < Dcoetzee> IShadowed: :-P 22:58 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I don't know that website, never been there 22:58 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I developed my dislike of Apple from reading that site. 22:58 < bazinga> Mareklug : obviously this isn't a matter of true or false 22:58 < wctaiwan> ...oh god. 22:58 < bazinga> It's opinion 22:58 < wctaiwan> that's no better than someone reading Daring Fireball and then developing a distaste for Microsoft / Google. 22:58 < Jasper_Deng> you can't logic someone out of an opinion they didn't logic themself into. 22:58 < wctaiwan> it's a friggin microsoft-centered website. 22:58 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: hi 22:59 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng it would be more valuable if you developed your dislike of Apple from actually using Apple computers, such as Dcoetzee did 22:59 < wctaiwan> hello. 22:59 < bazinga> Wctaiwan I agree 22:59 -!- KimiNewt [~Kimihaha@bzq-84-111-141-63.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:59 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: To be fair my experience was anecdotal 22:59 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: that too. In middle school, I used their Macs, and I was alienated. 22:59 < bazinga> I developed my tastes by using a variety of products 22:59 < Dcoetzee> And additionally, I rarely booted into OS X 22:59 < Dcoetzee> So I didn't get the full experience 22:59 < Jasper_Deng> the keyboard keys would take like a hundred newtons of force to move. 22:59 < Jasper_Deng> the iMacs lagged 22:59 < wctaiwan> in middle school I used Macs and Tiger was a breath of fresh air compared to the extremely aged Windows XP at the time 22:59 < TeeTylerToe> You should hate Windows 8 because microsoft wasn't a real GUI when you were in middleschool 22:59 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng might be the school setup tbh 23:00 < wctaiwan> Windows 7 has since caught up, but that's what got me started using macs. 23:00 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I really feel sorry for your motor challenged keyboard experiences. All the Apple keyboards I ever used were the best. And they vary in touch. 23:00 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: I do hate Windows 8 23:00 < Jasper_Deng> I absolutely love Windows 7 23:00 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I still dislike modern Apple keyboards because I have long fingers 23:00 < Dcoetzee> Windows seems to suck every other version 23:00 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:00 < TeeTylerToe> Because of problems microsoft had when you were in middleschool? 23:00 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: haha, definitely 23:00 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng yeah, the registry of Windows 7, as well. 23:00 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: definitely 23:00 < wctaiwan> ME, Vista, 8. 23:00 < TeeTylerToe> windows 7 is barely a wallpaper pack for vista 23:00 < bazinga> Lol 23:00 < bazinga> Me 23:00 < bazinga> I remember that shit 23:00 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: nah, it fixed a lot of things under the surface. 23:00 < wctaiwan> TeeTylerToe: you don't know what you're talking about. 23:01 < TeeTylerToe> They fixed the same problems in vista 23:01 < Jasper_Deng> no they didn't. 23:01 < TeeTylerToe> what do you think they were doing with their time? 23:01 < Dcoetzee> I think it's because they switch between doing "innovative" releases packed with new features, and doing conservative releases based on what they learned with their sucky version 23:01 < bazinga> My school computers used windows 97 in 2010 23:01 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1 second] 23:01 < Jasper_Deng> Windows 8.1 unfortunately only goes halfway towards addressing my gripes about Windows 8 23:01 < wctaiwan> Dcoetzee: Intelk seems to do a better job with tick-tock releases. 23:01 < wctaiwan> -k 23:01 < TeeTylerToe> there was never a windows released called windows 97 iirc 23:01 < Jasper_Deng> they're actually gonna allow us to boot to the desktop by default 23:02 < Jasper_Deng> but gimme back my start menu and off with Metro! >.< 23:02 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:02 < SigmaWP> [22:58:50] �<�Jasper_Deng�>� you can't logic someone out of an opinion they didn't logic themself into. 23:02 < SigmaWP> That's my quit message! 23:02 < bazinga> 98 23:02 < bazinga> Whatever 23:02 < bazinga> I don't remember 23:02 < wctaiwan> resistance is futile, Jasper. 23:02 < Shirik> I liked Windows 3.2 23:02 < TeeTylerToe> windows 8 certified ARM devices are required to have a Microsoft cryptographic signature in their UEFI that prevents anything not signed by microsoft from running on it 23:02 < Jasper_Deng> SigmaWP: I forgot to type my attribution. 23:03 < Jasper_Deng> I'm going to stay w/ Windows 7 for a long time. 23:03 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03 -!- wctaiwan [b99902035@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:03 < bazinga> Sigmawp I use that in many arguments 23:03 < Jasper_Deng> (and we're having this discussion on a network whose servers run Linux....) 23:03 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng what do you use for virus protection? 23:03 * Jasper_Deng uses MSFT security essentials 23:03 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@pool-74-96-147-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:03 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@pool-74-96-147-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:03 < bazinga> Eww 23:04 < Shirik> I use intelligence 23:04 -!- TeeTylerToe [~31415@unaffiliated/teetylertoe] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:04 < SigmaWP> ^ 23:04 * bazinga uses malwarebytes 23:04 < Jasper_Deng> mostly I'm careful enough to avoid malware on my own 23:04 < Jasper_Deng> my sister wasn't 23:04 < TeeTylerToe> Apple probably caused that 23:04 < bazinga> I never get malware 23:04 * Jasper_Deng desysopped his sister for getting a rootkit 23:04 < Dcoetzee> I don't run realtime malware protection because the performance issues annoy me 23:04 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng: you have a sister? 23:05 < bazinga> Lol 23:05 < Dcoetzee> At my own peril, I've probably gotten keyloggers and stuff 23:05 < bazinga> Norton 23:05 < Dcoetzee> I should at least run batch scans sometimes... 23:06 < mareklug> bazinga Jasper_Deng has a sister, ergo he has malware 23:06 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: that's when she shared my PC. She now uses a Macbook Air. 23:06 < Dcoetzee> I'm pretty sure sisters are not considered malicious code 23:06 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng no malware there, except maybe a passing PC virus 23:06 * Jasper_Deng loves pointing apple fans like mareklug to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacSweeper 23:06 < TeeTylerToe> I bet her macbook air is just a mess of malware and viruses 23:07 < bazinga> Well.. I now know Jasper_Deng got a nasty virus on his floppy from his sister. 23:07 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: it's not, but that's b/c she's on a whitelist Internet restriction 23:07 < Jasper_Deng> can only uses Google services 23:07 < Jasper_Deng> and Wikimedia services. 23:07 < bazinga> Keeping it classy. 23:07 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I just decomissioned all my Sophos on all my macs. it was a waste of space, cpu and highly annoying. 23:07 < TeeTylerToe> 0.o 23:07 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: it wasn't on my floppy 23:07 < Jasper_Deng> there exist no more floppy drives in my house. 23:07 < bazinga> Oh 23:07 < TeeTylerToe> That's a bit totalitarian of you 23:07 < bazinga> Your hard then 23:07 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: That was a sexual joke 23:08 * Jasper_Deng saw that 23:08 < Dcoetzee> Ah okay :-P 23:08 * bazinga assumed it was floppy based on the origin if the virus 23:08 < bazinga> Whatever floats your boat 23:08 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 23:08 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:09 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: I assume you're on Linux right now 23:09 < Dcoetzee> Win7, with OS X and Ubuntu in VMs 23:09 < Jasper_Deng> I'd use Linux if it could match Windows' GUI 23:09 < Dcoetzee> I can dual boot to Linux, but rarely do 23:09 < Jasper_Deng> but so far all Linux distros seem to be focused on copying OS X 23:10 * Jasper_Deng actually, besides MSFT Office and Windows, uses almost all FOSS software. 23:10 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng ORLY? They historically copied windows 23:10 < Dcoetzee> Jasper_Deng: There are many window managers 23:10 < Dcoetzee> Try some others 23:10 < Dcoetzee> See if you like any 23:10 < Dcoetzee> Some are very close Windows clones 23:10 < Jasper_Deng> Well, my latest try was w/ CentOS. 23:10 < Jasper_Deng> GNOME obviously is copying OS X. 23:11 < Jasper_Deng> I tried this other window manager... but it just looked like it was /trying/ to copy Windows without succeeding at it. 23:11 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:11 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuffeluf@cpe-065-184-213-197.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:11 < mareklug> there is no one GNOME anymore. It has experienced a schism at the Gnome 3 juncture. There is Gnome 2 and all the attendant spawn. 23:12 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee, mareklug: IMO ReactOS would be what I'd use if people actually developed it. 23:12 -!- albel727_ is now known as albel727 23:13 < mareklug> have you used Xfce 4.10? It was released Aprl 28, 2012 but is still the latest xfce 23:13 < TeeTylerToe> I don't see windows being all that much advanced past Mac OS from like 1985 23:13 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I think that was the other window manager I tried. 23:14 < Jasper_Deng> still, I haven't seen a better try than ReactOS at emulating Windows on Linux. 23:14 < mareklug> you sure? you would have to compile it yourself, as no distribution has it outright 23:14 < Jasper_Deng> well "xfce" rings a bell. 23:14 < mareklug> probably xfce 4.8 23:15 < Dcoetzee> For a year or two I used Blackbox 23:16 < Dcoetzee> Taught me to use virtual workspaces a lot due to its limitations :-P 23:18 < bazinga> Hm 23:18 < bazinga> Is there a female here who could give me advice 23:18 < bazinga> PM me 23:19 < bazinga> (more likely a female could help me than a guy, based off statistics) 23:21 < mareklug> bazinga besides, you should not visit Apple Store if that is your only visit ever 3 days before teh WWDC event in San Francisco when they are to introduce new stuff. 23:22 < bazinga> Mareklug I was downtown vancouver, and I had time to waste. 23:22 < mareklug> should have gone to the Microsoft Store and appreciated the lack of people there 23:23 < bazinga> There is no Microsoft store 23:23 < mareklug> aw 23:23 < mareklug> sure there is 23:23 < mareklug> http://www.yelp.com/biz/microsoft-store-vancouver 23:24 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24 < mareklug> reviewer: "I will give this Microsoft store 2 stars, since you are only able to play with Windows 7 (Microsoft doesn't sell machines, only through partners), and the Microsoft Surface Tablet. There is no help desk (al la Genius Bar), nor can you bring in your failing Windows 7 laptop to get fixed. Kinda just a nice to look at store, but not much it can do to help you." 23:25 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Quit: heatherw] 23:25 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: which is why I build my PCs on my own. 23:25 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:25 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-76-103-45-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:25 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:25 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng does not change the fact that M$ Store is an abortion, as is the entire M$. 23:27 < TeeTylerToe> Is windows worth the $140 or whatever ms charges? 23:27 < bazinga> Pfft 23:27 < bazinga> TPB dat shit 23:27 < mareklug> indeed. last time I paid $100+ for an Apple operating system it was 2001 and it was Jaguar. 23:28 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: on that note, will Apple ever run out of cats? 23:28 < mareklug> bazinga Apple does not put onerous activation bullshit keys on their OS. It is honor system. 23:28 < mareklug> You download it from Apple Store and can use it on whatever. 23:28 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: isn't there a 5-computer limit? 23:28 < bazinga> Mareklug isn't that special 23:29 < Jasper_Deng> (for a family pack) 23:29 < Jasper_Deng> well, Apple really doesn't need the revenue from its OS sales 23:29 -!- gde33 [~gde33@546A1A51.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:29 < Jasper_Deng> when it already grossly overprices its hardware. 23:30 < Jasper_Deng> on the other hand, Microsoft has very little hardware, and so relies almost completely on software, much like Adobe. 23:30 -!- TheLordOfTime [LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/lordoftime] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:30 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae#Extant_species check for yourself 23:30 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:30 < TeeTylerToe> apple prices are fairly competitive 23:31 < Dcoetzee> MS's hardware is pretty much just Xbox, keyboards, mice 23:31 -!- wctaiwan|class [b99902035@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:31 < Dcoetzee> And Xbox accessories of course 23:31 -!- wctaiwan|class [b99902035@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:31 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng don't obfuscate. The M$ licencing picture is a disaster clad in lawyer talk and gobs and gobs of EULA and fine print. Apple OS is simple to use and simple to use on virtual machines. 23:31 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: "simple to use" is what I dispute 23:31 < Dcoetzee> Apple OS "simple to use on virtual machines"? Apple doesn't officially even support use in VMs. 23:31 * coyoteTCC laughing at these fools in here 23:32 < Dcoetzee> They had to use the Hackintosh drivers 23:32 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: yes, but only for OS X Server 23:32 < Jasper_Deng> and only on Macs 23:32 < mareklug> Dcoetzee it sure does . On Apple machines 23:32 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: but only OS X server 23:32 < mareklug> no 23:32 < mareklug> also on client OS machines 23:32 < Jasper_Deng> that's according to what VirtualBox's documentation says. 23:32 < mareklug> don't beleive that. do a little google searching 23:32 -!- Rcsprinter [~rcsprinte@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:33 < Dcoetzee> VirtualBox has limited support for many things 23:33 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: to clarify, you can only use OS X Server /guests/ 23:33 < TeeTylerToe> How easy is it for a home user of windows to get a windows VM? 23:33 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: on Windows 7, it's very easy. 23:33 < Jasper_Deng> Windows XP Mode. 23:33 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: Umm anyone with a Windows install disc can set up a Windows VM just by installing it into a blank VM 23:33 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng no. you can use Mac OS X guests. It does not have to be a OS X Server 23:33 < TeeTylerToe> wow. I mean, like a windows released after 2001 23:33 < Dcoetzee> Win7 and Win8 run fine in VMware 23:33 < Dcoetzee> And I think on VirtualBox too 23:34 < TeeTylerToe> Yes, but how easy is it for a home user to get a win7 vm? 23:34 < Dcoetzee> What? 23:34 < Dcoetzee> If you have a Win7 disc, you install it in a VM, and then you have a Win7 VM. 23:34 < mareklug> Dcoetzee Apple stuff runs fine in Virtualbox too. The thing is Apple requires its ROM to run. And that is what Hacintosh is all about. As you well know. 23:35 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: only if you have the right licensing 23:35 < Dcoetzee> Well yes you need a separate copy of it 23:35 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I can legally run umpteen copies of Mac OS X nonserver OSes on my iMac, virtually. 23:35 < TeeTylerToe> yea, but 99.99% of windows users don't get a retail win 7 disk that they can just install on a vm 23:36 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: OEMs often include a copy of Windows on a CD and a license key with the machine 23:36 < Jasper_Deng> which you can't use twice 23:36 < Dcoetzee> And most versions of Win7 actually supply two licenses, one for 32 bit and one for 64 bit 23:36 < TeeTylerToe> and which won't install on a virtual host 23:36 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: no 23:36 < Dcoetzee> Win7 totally installs in a virtual host. 23:36 < Jasper_Deng> but, Windows Server Datacenter 23:36 < Dcoetzee> I've done it a million times 23:36 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: but you need a separate license for it 23:36 < TeeTylerToe> not from the restore disk 99% of windows users get 23:36 < Jasper_Deng> or you have a Technet subscription 23:37 < Jasper_Deng> anyways, Windows Server Datacenter allows unlimited virtualization 23:37 < Jasper_Deng> the newest Windows Server 2012 R2 will allow activation in Hyper-V automatically w/o any product key hassles. 23:37 < Dcoetzee> TeeTylerToe: That is true, with just the OEM restore disk you have to choose between installing Windows on your host or your guest 23:37 < TeeTylerToe> I'm sure a lot of home users have windows server datacenter pro r3 sp1.5 23:37 < Dcoetzee> It's only one license 23:37 < TeeTylerToe> '14 23:37 < SuicidalZerg> Dcoetzee: 2 licenses? Really? 23:37 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng whereas on the Mac I paid for Mountain LIon under my Apple ID exactly once (was it 19.99? I think so) and I replicated it on 2 machines in my household and several external drives. Each time all I need to do is downlaod it again for free from Apple Store (or if I hung around to the download, restart the installer from disk). No keys, no nothing. 23:37 < SuicidalZerg> You can't use both at the same time, right? 23:37 < Jasper_Deng> SuicidalZerg: no 23:38 < TeeTylerToe> windows also cures restless leg syndrome 23:38 < Dcoetzee> SuicidalZerg: Yeah if you buy retail Win7 it comes with two licenses 23:38 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: you still paid too much for the hardware 23:38 < Dcoetzee> One for 32 bit and one for 64 bit 23:38 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: really? 23:38 < Dcoetzee> Yep 23:38 < Dcoetzee> I've taken advantage of that several times 23:38 < Jasper_Deng> I got a retail copy of Windows 7 Pro 23:38 < SuicidalZerg> But you can't use both at the same time, right? 23:38 < Dcoetzee> Yes you can use both at the same time 23:38 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I paid around 3k for the best mac I could build custom in early 2009. I am still using it and it is not a slow machine, obviously. 23:38 < SuicidalZerg> wat 23:38 < Dcoetzee> They might have changed licensing terms 23:38 < Dcoetzee> But that's how it was 2 years ago 23:39 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: another thing. Custom and Mac don't fit into the same sentence except negative. 23:39 < SuicidalZerg> Too bad I have no use for 32-bit :p 23:39 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: that also was 2 years ago. 23:39 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng are you nuts? 23:39 < Jasper_Deng> anyone who wants to be custom builds his/her own 23:39 < Jasper_Deng> PC 23:39 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng Apple has build to order options on iMacs since many years ago. 23:39 < Jasper_Deng> that doesn't count 23:39 < SuicidalZerg> I wish I could afford to build a custom PC, lol 23:39 < Dcoetzee> I think Win8 is a single license per retail copy. But it's not a big deal to me because I get Windows for free through MSDNAA. Also I get 90% discounts on retail copies through Microsoft alumni. 23:39 < SuicidalZerg> Instead of using this OEM nonsense that I got 5 years ago 23:40 < coyoteTCC> lol 23:40 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: especially b/c Apple (last time I checked) charges like $400 for another 4 or 8 GB of RAM. 23:40 < SuicidalZerg> That's how I got my copy of Windows 7 was through MSDN :3 23:40 < Dcoetzee> Apple's outrageous charges for RAM are just them exploiting their hardware monopoly 23:40 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng who gives a fuck? Buy your ram somewhere else. Of all things to complain about. 23:40 < TeeTylerToe> Everyone charges just as much for add on ram Jasper_Deng 23:40 < Jasper_Deng> then that's not real custom selling, is it? 23:40 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: no 23:41 < TeeTylerToe> you dhink dell or hp or lenovo don't? 23:41 < Dcoetzee> Oh right RAM is user upgradable 23:41 < Dcoetzee> I forgot about that 23:41 < TeeTylerToe> yes they do 23:41 < coyoteTCC> lol.. mareklug and jasper are the same person.. both clock screw times are the same for both 23:41 < Jasper_Deng> that money gets you at minimum 16 GB of extra RAM 23:41 -!- coyoteTCC [~manituXIO@74-115-1-230.anchorfree.com] has left #wikipedia-en ["Silentium est aureum"] 23:41 < Jasper_Deng> on a PC 23:41 < TeeTylerToe> how much? 23:41 < Jasper_Deng> 32 GB of RAM for the desktop PC costs only $140ish 23:42 < Jasper_Deng> and that's using 8 GB modules. 23:42 < Dcoetzee> Mac RAM is standard desktop RAM 23:42 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:42 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:42 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:42 < Dcoetzee> It costs the same as far as I know 23:42 < Jasper_Deng> well, nowadays it probably is 23:42 < Dcoetzee> You just have to upgrade it after purchase, not at time of purchase 23:42 < Jasper_Deng> it used to not be. 23:42 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng also, you are so full of shit: 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X8GB [Add $200.00] http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD096LL/A? 23:42 < Dcoetzee> Same way if you buy a preassembled PC you have to upgrade RAM after 23:42 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: that was the last time I checked 23:42 -!- Rcsprinter [~rcsprinte@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has quit [Quit: Er, I quit...?] 23:43 < Jasper_Deng> which was also 3 years ago. 23:43 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng don't talk when you obviously don't know. 23:43 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: that's why I assemble my own. 23:43 < bazinga> Mareklug I got 16gb of the same type of ram for half the pricr 23:43 < Jasper_Deng> ^^ 23:43 < Dcoetzee> Anyone who doesn't assemble their own desktop (who knows how to do so) is throwing money out the window 23:43 < Jasper_Deng> ^^ 23:44 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng so anyway? how much do two sticks of cheapest 8GB ram (1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM) cost these days on free market? Made in China and all that. 23:44 < Dcoetzee> Also, standard OEM builds have awful specs 23:44 < bazinga> Dcoetzee it's not a bad idea to learn, either 23:44 < Dcoetzee> They emphasise clock speed over more important things like amount of RAM and disk speed 23:44 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee what if that person owns a company that assembles computers? 23:44 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: I remember $140 for 4 sticks /from 9 months ago/ 23:44 < Jasper_Deng> Dcoetzee: exactly. 23:44 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng I am not talking FOUR STICKS. 23:44 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng I doubt it tbh 23:44 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: do the math 23:44 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: again, 9 months ago. 23:44 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng no, give me a link. 23:44 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:44 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@c-24-23-243-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:44 -!- heatherw [~hwalls@wikimedia/heatherawalls] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:44 < bazinga> Mareklug 4x8 23:45 < bazinga> Jssp 23:45 < Dcoetzee> OEM builds are designed to sell, not to actually perform well in practice. 23:45 < Dcoetzee> Which means lots of build numbers 23:45 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng why would the price increase 23:45 < Dcoetzee> *big numbers 23:45 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: exactly. 23:45 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I never gotten why preasembled computers even existed 23:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> you can just have a motherboard + cpu + ram and be done with it 23:46 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: That's kind of like asking why preassembled cars exist 23:46 < bazinga> Mareklug I found 2x8GB for $100, you could probably do as low as $90 in the Us for DDR3-1600 23:46 < Dcoetzee> Lots of people don't know how to assemble one, and are scared to learn 23:46 < Jasper_Deng> bazinga: no way 23:46 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng? 23:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I can't wield steel on steel 23:46 * Jasper_Deng is talking DDR3-1333 23:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> also shipping costs of a non-assembled car is way too expensive 23:47 < mareklug> bazinga so? that still means the Apple Store boutique is overcharging ONLY 2005 23:47 < mareklug> 200% 23:47 < Dcoetzee> Okay bad analogy 23:47 < Dcoetzee> That's like asking why premade cakes exist 23:47 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng well mareklug and I are talking about 1600 23:47 < Dcoetzee> Pretty much anyone can bake a cake or learn to bake a cake 23:47 < Dcoetzee> But not everyone wants to take the time, and some people are scared to learn 23:47 < Jasper_Deng> ^^ 23:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee but cake-masters can influence the price 23:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *taste 23:48 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: In a few words - some people are just lazy. 23:48 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng the Apple store is there to sell machines to people who don't want to build their own. 23:48 < bazinga> Dcoetzee : I know a 16 year old that doesn't know how to make macaroni 23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> my point is we have "prety much everything on board" motherboads. only thing they need to create is a motherboard with integrated ram and cpu 23:48 < mareklug> bazinga most people overcook pasta as well as fish. 23:48 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: The analogy is apt. There are some very good preassembled systems out there. 23:48 < Jasper_Deng> like the Raspberry Pi 23:48 < bazinga> Heh 23:48 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am talking about grandma who wont be playing half life 2 23:49 < bazinga> When my friend and I were baked we made cocoa pancakes 23:49 < Jasper_Deng> PCs are also much more extensible than Macs 23:49 < Dcoetzee> For the average grandma they can get away with the equivalent of a supermarket cake 23:49 < Jasper_Deng> b/c you can choose a motherboard with a lot of expansion cards. 23:49 < Dcoetzee> But they still end up spending money on specs they don't need 23:49 < TeeTylerToe> I can't see to figure out how to build to order on dell, hp, or lenovo 23:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Big Macs are the cheapest PCs :p 23:49 < bazinga> Thinking the cocoa was hot chocolate powder 23:49 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Desktop-Memory-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10/dp/B006EWUO22 121 dollars. And that is Corsair, the cheapest, crappiest memory on the market. 23:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng fair point I suppose 23:50 < Dcoetzee> mareklug: I for one do not enjoy random memory errors :-P 23:50 < bazinga> Mareklug check my reddit 23:50 * Jasper_Deng really doesn't care about RAM speed, and also doesn't like Amazon's lack of IPv6 23:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee do random memory errors happen randomly? 23:50 < mareklug> Dcoetzee my point. 23:50 < bazinga> I found some for 100 total 23:50 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Not really 23:50 < TeeTylerToe> an extra 4GB of ram on sony costs $80 23:50 < bazinga> Jasper_Deng stop with the ipv6 complaints 23:50 < mareklug> Dcoetzee obviously young bazinga does. 23:50 < Dcoetzee> They tend to occur in clusters 23:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee then random memory isnt as random as advertised! :p 23:50 < Shirik> lies 23:50 < Shirik> that's why they call it random access memory 23:50 < bazinga> Mareklug got good reviews 23:50 < Shirik> because randomly when you access it, it fails 23:50 < TeeTylerToe> RAM errors happen randomly, mostly gamma rays 23:51 < Dcoetzee> Good RAM fails due to gamma rays, bad RAM fails due to manufacturing defects 23:51 < Dcoetzee> Manufacturing defects tend to be physically localized 23:51 < mareklug> Hynix Find http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Desktop-Memory-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10/dp/B006EWUO22 in Hynix for 100 and then we will talk, ok? 23:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I protect my ram from gamma rays :p 23:51 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: You have 3 foot thick concrete walls? :-P 23:51 < Shirik> but do you protect it from delta rays? 23:52 < Jasper_Deng> You really can't protect from gamma rays w/o like a meter of lead 23:52 < BlastHardcheese> of course, I only let them transport it on american airlines 23:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee... no, I just have plastic foil around it! :p 23:52 < Dcoetzee> Fun fact I read recently: if an astronaut made it to Mars and back, they would be grounded indefinitely thereafter, due to reaching NASA's lifetime radiation exposure limit. 23:52 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: which only stops alpha radiation 23:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if it works for alpha radiation, I dont see why it cant for gamma! 23:53 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: maybe b/c you can use alpha particles to inflate a party balloon? 23:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng I was making a funny :p 23:53 < Jasper_Deng> while gamma rays would kill you? 23:53 * Jasper_Deng is also making one 23:53 < Shirik> hey 23:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng no gamma rays mutate people to hunkishness 23:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am body building by exposing myself to gamma rays 23:53 < Shirik> mutants are people too 23:54 < mareklug> bazinga Jasper_Deng http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=16GB+%282x8GB%29+DDR3+1600+MHz+%28PC3+12800%29+ 23:54 * Jasper_Deng yawns 23:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if one willingly exposes themselves to gamma radiation does that make them an exhibitionist? 23:54 < Jasper_Deng> (both literally and figuratively) 23:54 < mareklug> it is obvious the cheapest memory is Corsair. The more expensive memory is Kingston or Crucial 23:54 < mareklug> either way, we are talking from 116 to 150 23:54 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: go on Newegg 23:54 < Jasper_Deng> you'd be mistaken easily 23:54 < mareklug> so the 200 that Apple Store charges for Hynix or Samsung is not outrageous. 23:54 * Jasper_Deng knows a couple of cheaper brands 23:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee I think the mars bound astronautes will be given a special space craft 23:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> not the orion module 23:55 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:55 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@92.64.31.85] has quit [Changing host] 23:55 -!- martijnHH [~MartijnH@wikipedia/Martijn-Hoekstra] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:55 < TeeTylerToe> I couldn't get a price from dell, hp, or lenovo, but Sony charges $80 for an extra 4GB of ram which is crazy 23:55 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: remember that $200 is not all you're really paying for that RAM 23:55 < Dcoetzee> ToAruShiroiNeko: Relevant video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7q6DF6D54 23:55 < Jasper_Deng> b/c it's an upgrade from RAM you're already paying for. 23:55 < TeeTylerToe> and dell hp and lenovo charge similarly crazy prices 23:55 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng it is 2 more sticks for the 2 you already get as priced with the machine 23:56 < mareklug> and you get it under Apple warranty 23:56 < Jasper_Deng> oh, so that explains why it's priced a lot. 23:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Dcoetzee nice! 23:56 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> so the chinese are gaining superpowers in bulk right? 23:56 < Jasper_Deng> Steve Jobs reportedly made $3000 when he fixed the Mac of this singer before his concert. 23:56 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng it is priced "a lot" because it is being sold in a boutique to people who don't care to pinch pennies and who value convenience. 23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng did he brand it too? 23:57 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: ? 23:57 -!- Jacnoc [~Joshua@c-50-140-179-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:57 < Jasper_Deng> autograph? 23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "Steve Jobs fix job" 23:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> and yes signature under it 23:57 < Jasper_Deng> lol 23:57 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g225044058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:57 < Jasper_Deng> well, he might've. He made $3 grand, after all. 23:57 < mareklug> Jasper_Deng did it occur to you that lots of people don't care to stick memory or shop for it in their APPLIANCE? 23:58 < Jasper_Deng> yes 23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Jasper_Deng see, then he made people pay HIM to advertise for him 23:58 < mareklug> well, an iMac is a posh appliance to lots of people, most of them nontechnical 23:58 < Jasper_Deng> mareklug: which, I conveniently ignore, b/c all my friends tend to provide the necessary technical support to those who aren't nerds. 23:58 < Jasper_Deng> so everyone uses PCs. 23:58 < bazinga> Mareklug http://m.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220735 23:58 < Jasper_Deng> ToAruShiroiNeko: ? 23:58 < Jasper_Deng> he's just a good businessman. 23:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah 23:59 < TeeTylerToe> Dell charges between $500 and $761 for an upgrade to 24GB of ram 23:59 < Jasper_Deng> TeeTylerToe: if that's DDR3-2000, I'd expect that. 23:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> few people with the last name Jobs could start a company like apple 23:59 < Dcoetzee> That's like movie theatres charging $8 for a large Coke 23:59 < mareklug> bazinga 120! and some kind of off-brand called Patriot Viper. Find me Hynix or Samsung, I tell you. And 120 is not the 100 you said you would find. 23:59 < TeeTylerToe> It's 1333 23:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont see why he didnt also start an employment website or service 23:59 < bazinga> Mareklug I bought from amazon Canada 23:59 -!- TheLordOfTime [LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/lordoftime] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:59 < TeeTylerToe> what OEM would put in ddr3-2000 even for $761? --- Log closed Fri Jun 07 00:00:00 2013