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--- Log opened Sat May 04 00:00:09 2013 --- Day changed Sat May 04 2013 00:00 -!- juancarlos [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Killiondude] has quit [Quit: Night] 00:00 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:01 < anderson> Jetro: :-* 00:02 < Jetro> :-* 00:02 < Emufarmers> :v 00:02 < Jetro> I knwo 00:02 -!- anderson is now known as [o_o] 00:04 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 00:08 -!- [o_o] is now known as Bradford 00:09 -!- Emufarmers [emufarmers@mediawiki/Emufarmers] has left #wikipedia-en [] 00:09 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Quit: I'm the greatest pirate-hunter in the world! 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Now BACK IN THE DAY I'd delete it, but the school gets google hits and has been around for a century. 00:49 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but was distracted by CNN 00:49 < SigmaWP> Ehmph 00:49 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 00:49 < Keegan> Yeah, I feel the same way. 00:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Keegan why is CNN so... meh? 00:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they finally toned down their coverage to "suspect" level 00:52 < Keegan> Because they've given up sensationalism to Fox News and MSNBC and then realized there was no money in honest journalism 00:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> there is plenty of money in honest journalism 00:53 < Keegan> Not advertising dollars. 00:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure there is just not as much 00:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> people demand actual news too 00:53 < Keegan> ToAruShiroiNeko: More to the point, it's where the power of media gets lost to shuffling interests. 00:53 < ToAruShiroiNeko> news dont tablotifiy news, people tabloitify news :p 00:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Keegan could it be the Murdoc factor? 00:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can we please send him to dictate something else that is nerdy... like archeology? 00:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he could create an archeological empire 00:55 < Keegan> Can we, the Smart People of Wikipedia® not be informed or entertained by CNN? Sure. Do those who are just checking the news able to be informed? Sure. But now it's just programming like any drama. 00:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> bad kind of drama at best :) 00:55 < Keegan> It's all about money, so meh. 00:55 < ToAruShiroiNeko> how about a ban on advertisements for one hour a day? 00:56 < ToAruShiroiNeko> during news 00:56 < Keegan> Now, I do not doubt that (most) every individual working at CNN does so out of the desire to inform 00:56 < Keegan> The global whole of the entity does not. 00:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they need to put Sorkin in charge of the news division :p 00:57 < Keegan> For cable? Not going to happen. Speaking for the United States, I don't think there should be advertising during broadcast news 00:57 < Keegan> The US government fucking gave the four networks free air. 00:57 < Keegan> It's the least they could do. 00:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it was never banned 00:57 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its the one thing congress left out. channels are required to have 1 hour of informational broadcasting 00:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> murrow had cigarets as his sponsors 00:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he was sir smoke-a-lot 00:59 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: when does this channel have 1 hour of informational broadcasting. Can you do it ? 01:00 -!- kondi [7bc91522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.201.21.34] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:01 < Keegan> ^Touche 01:01 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I can do it but I need an executive producer to help me do it 01:01 * kondi is using webchat 01:01 < kondi> fucking fuck 01:02 < NotASpy> kondi looks qualified, ToAruShiroiNeko, that's exec producer levels of swearyness. 01:02 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|zZzZ 01:02 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy bah 01:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [[Wikipedia:Votes for Executive Producer for IRC/kondi]] 01:03 < mareklug> NotASpy my links pasted in here alone are making up our required hour and then some :) 01:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy I find the comments posted on cnn to be more entertaining 01:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean than the actual news 01:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> "I think because she was an accomplice. Converted muslims are in most cases more radical than the Original ones, most of them convert to Jihadist islam." 01:08 -!- kondi [7bc91522@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.201.21.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:09 < NotASpy> yeah, there are a few websites like that out there. The Daily Mail in the UK is classic, lots of people who think Hitler was a left wing bleeding heart liberal and who sit somewhere to the right of Idi Amin. 01:14 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can you get more right than Idi Amin? 01:14 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:14 < sam> Pinochet? 01:16 < mareklug> Pinochet was a centrist by comparison. try Pol Pot 01:16 < NotASpy> that's Daily Mail reader territory. They created merry hell when the Spanish wanted to extradite him on human rights crimes. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-421777/Pinochet-Death-friendly-dictator.html 01:17 < NotASpy> secretly (or really, quite openly) the DM wanted Thatcher to behave like Pinochet. 01:17 -!- jetsamUDH [~iceboxDYF@190.250.49.42] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:17 -!- jetsamUDH [~iceboxDYF@190.250.49.42] has quit [Client Quit] 01:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hafez was born on 6 October 1930 in Qardaha to an Alawite family,[1] from the Kalbiyya tribe.[2] His parents were Na'sa and Ali Sulayman. Hafez was Ali's ninth son and the fourth son from his second marriage.[3] Sulayman married twice, had eleven children,[4] and was known for his strength and shooting abilities, so locals nicknamed him Wahhish (a wild beast).[5] By the 1920s, he became 01:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> well-respected among the locals, and like many others he opposed the French occupation initially.[6] Nevertheless, Ali Sulayman later cooperated with the French administration and was appointed to an official post. In 1936, he was one of 80 Alawi notables who signed a letter addressed to the French Prime Minister stating that "Alawi people rejected attachment to Syria and wished to stay 01:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> under French protection."[7] For his accomplishments, he was called al-Assad (a lion) by the locals.[6] He made his nickname a surname in 1927.[8] 01:17 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geez 01:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> that looked shorter in browser 01:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafez_al-Assad#Family 01:19 < NotASpy> aye. I wonder how Syria would have turned out if the eldest son had survived. Bashar wasn't very well thought of by the family and was sent to the UK to become an optician. 01:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy so he could retire to start such a business? 01:20 < sam> he does seem short-sighted 01:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Assad Optics 01:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sam that was brillian! 01:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> *t 01:20 < NotASpy> right, laters all. 01:20 < sam> haha 01:21 -!- TheChance_ [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 -!- muahaha is now known as muahaha|AFK 01:24 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:31 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:31 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:31 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:32 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:41 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:44 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:44 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:48 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has quit [Quit: You cannot logic someone out of an opinion they did not logic themselves into] 01:49 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:55 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 01:57 < mareklug> it will be faster for me to download and install the "new" (read, neglected last version) Inkscape 0.48.2-1 than for my 0.43.8 to actually *open* 02:12 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:12 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@c-24-23-83-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:12 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:15 -!- wctaiwan [72243c3a@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:20 -!- Irunongames [~Peter-C@wikimedia/Peter.C] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:21 -!- Peter-C [~Peter-C@wikimedia/Peter.C] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:23 -!- wctaiwan [72243c3a@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:25 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:26 -!- lbenedix [~lbenedix@g231249014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:27 < lbenedix> hi there, I'm looking for the history of extension-usage in enwiki. The result should look like this: "extension_name; deployment_date; removal_date" 02:28 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:33 -!- My76Strat [~chatzilla@wikipedia/My76Strat] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:38 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:39 < russavia> mareklug -- 超人ハルクのプレミアでリヴ·タイラー 02:39 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39 < mareklug> you are wonderful. 02:41 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:44 < russavia> i know right 02:47 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:47 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 02:47 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 02:50 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:01 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:03 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:03 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:11 -!- Steven_Zhang [~Steven_Zh@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:11 < Steven_Zhang> mmm 03:16 < Steven_Zhang> <3 long island iced tea 03:26 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:33 -!- TBloemink is now known as TB|VOER 03:39 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:39 < Qcoder00> Good morning humans 03:43 -!- Ushau97 [~Ushau97@wikimedia/Ushau97] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:48 -!- petan [~pidgeon@wikimedia/Petrb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52 -!- TBloemink_ [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 03:53 -!- TB|VOER [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:54 -!- TBloemink_ is now known as TBloemink 03:56 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:58 < russavia> any admin around to help with some deleted image contributions for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BigRonbo 03:59 -!- Mkdw_ [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:01 < Irunongames> ToAruShiroiNeko - http://i.imgur.com/OOsPyeK.jpg 04:01 < Irunongames> Russian T-90 04:01 < Irunongames> "FEED ME CHECHANS" 04:02 -!- petan [~pidgeon@wikimedia/Petrb] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:02 -!- Irunongames is now known as Peter-C 04:06 < Qcoder00> "AD-VANCE!" 04:06 < Qcoder00> "LO-CATE, SEEK."etc.. 04:07 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 04:11 -!- Mkdw_ [~Mkdw@d207-216-143-248.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13 < mattbuck> EX-TER-MIN-ATE 04:17 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-94-31.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:24 -!- MrsHetfield [~Blah@CPE-58-164-9-60.lnse5.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:30 -!- MrsHetfield [~Blah@CPE-58-164-9-60.lnse5.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 04:32 -!- lukas|away is now known as lukas23 04:34 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130425162858]] 04:34 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@202.83.101.70] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:34 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@202.83.101.70] has quit [Changing host] 04:34 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:48 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:48 -!- evilgohan2[NullR [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:51 < Qcoder00> Hmm :) 04:53 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has quit [Quit: Rebooting computer] 04:54 -!- electabuzz [~cam@unaffiliated/onei] has joined #wikipedia-en 04:54 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:01 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-94-31.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:03 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:25 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 05:33 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:33 -!- Wiki13 [~Wiki13@wikimedia/Wiki13] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:36 -!- Izawayz is now known as Izhidez 05:37 -!- electabuzz [~cam@unaffiliated/onei] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:39 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:40 -!- Gnumarcoo [~marco@wikipedia/Gnumarcoo] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:46 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:46 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:47 -!- electabuzz [~cam@unaffiliated/onei] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:48 -!- rockerball [~rockerbal@1.135.186.0] has joined #wikipedia-en 05:57 -!- marek__ [~marek@178-37-48-91.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:03 -!- DanielUCD [~DanielUCD@i47057.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:04 -!- DanielUCD [~DanielUCD@i47057.upc-i.chello.nl] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:05 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:07 -!- hunzig [~hunzig@125.113.75.122] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:09 -!- Halfsack [~kota31@rrcs-173-197-158-85.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:09 -!- Halfsack [~kota31@rrcs-173-197-158-85.west.biz.rr.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:14 -!- hunzig [~hunzig@125.113.75.122] has quit [Quit: 离开] 06:18 -!- DanielUCD [~DanielUCD@i47057.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:18 -!- DanielUCD [~DanielUCD@i47057.upc-i.chello.nl] has left #wikipedia-en [] 06:30 -!- TParis [~TParis@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:30 -!- TParis [~TParis@cpe-24-243-23-129.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 06:30 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:30 < russavia> jetro -- you norwegians are truly fucked up -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/adsaman/4997931047/in/photostream -- what in the name of god is the kid in this statue doing? 06:30 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:30 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-62-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:36 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 06:40 < Qcoder00> russavia: You've not meet Finns then XD 06:40 -!- Mike_HH is now known as Mike_H 06:40 < russavia> i ask because i was going to upload this stream to commons --and you know...well...is that shit legal? 06:41 < russavia> *of course i know there's no FOP in norway 06:42 < russavia> qcoder000 i know all about finns and their saunas 06:44 < jubo2> Qcoder00: russavia: The most useful line of Finnish is fi."Vihdo lujempaa perkele!" ( == en."whack me harder with your bunch of birch branches damn it!" ) .. sauna or no sauna free booze and friendship is almost guaranteed 06:45 < jubo2> they're yet not in season but it's possible to get 'em dried or frozen from last summer 06:46 -!- SlowLizard [~David@c-76-18-199-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:46 -!- SlowLizard is now known as Moe_Epsilon 06:46 < russavia> yeah i was sure finns always keep a bunch of birch branches stored away for such an occasion 06:46 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@c-76-18-199-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:46 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:47 < jubo2> whacking with 'em makes the sauna even more soothing :D 06:48 < Moe_Epsilon> o_O 06:48 < Qcoder00> Isn't there somethin in brich twigs that also releases specfic resins or something? 06:49 < jubo2> Qcoder00: you can run this sweet resin from the trunk similarly to running maple resin .. 06:49 < jubo2> it's called fi."mahla" 06:49 < Qcoder00> it's edible? 06:49 < jubo2> slightly sweet and very healthy 06:49 < jubo2> yes. 06:49 < Qcoder00> Hmm 06:50 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:51 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:51 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:51 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 06:58 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:05 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:11 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:12 -!- Johnlong [~johnlong@2a02:8109:8500:5e:129a:ddff:febc:4d40] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:13 -!- ragesoss_ [~quassel@pool-74-98-210-132.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:14 -!- p858snake|l_ [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:14 -!- plains [~plains@unaffiliated/plains] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:22 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Liv_Tyler#New_Image I seem to be getting nowhere with this editor. Perhaps someone has better arguments? Or maybe I am missing the obvious. 07:24 -!- Everz [znc_efnet@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:1a1d] has left #wikipedia-en [] 07:24 < mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Oz_Steps 07:27 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130430204233]] 07:28 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32 < Qcoder00> If thye aren't here to responde... ;) 07:33 < mareklug> <mareklug> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tabu_(actress)&diff=next&oldid=553474703 here is his latest example of reverting someone putting back a better picture for his sweaty ugly one 07:33 < russavia> mareklug--go check the "Brisbane" talk page 07:34 < mareklug> Qcoder00 you really should comment on the talk page. 07:34 < Qcoder00> I can't... I made an agreement with admins not to comment on contentious images for a bit 07:34 < wctaiwan> mareklug: acting as a devil's advocate—there's a difference between "high quality" and "pretty" 07:35 < mareklug> you can comment on the practice of edit warring over pictures in infoboxes. that is his entire corpus of work. 07:35 < wctaiwan> the more recent image may be manipulated such that the lighting is better. 07:35 < russavia> <mareklug> you can comment on the practice of edit warring over pictures in infoboxes. that is his entire corpus of work. -- you sure you not a member ofEEML? That is beautiful wikilawyering there 07:35 < mareklug> but why? the old picture is encyclopedic as is AND makes one feel good. 07:36 < mareklug> russavia just look at his contributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Oz_Steps 07:36 < wctaiwan> well, she's still alive. I think it's good to favour more recent images? It's not like the old one is particularly historical. 07:36 < mareklug> it is particularly historical: it was her biggest film role. 07:36 < wctaiwan> I mean, I think the older one is higher quality. But the more recent one does have the advantage of being… more recent. 07:37 < mareklug> well use them later in the article. there is chronology that can use them. 07:38 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:40 -!- rockerball [~rockerbal@1.135.186.0] has quit [Quit: IRC for iPhone] 07:42 < mattbuck> what's en policy about what happens when underage users reveal their names/dob? 07:42 < mareklug> we date tehm 07:42 < mattbuck> serious answer please 07:43 < mareklug> we block tehm blobally (Carly) and revdel 07:43 -!- Yellow_Evan [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:43 < mattbuck> ok 07:43 < mattbuck> who do I talk to to make that happen 07:43 < mareklug> there is an email addres for that 07:43 -!- Yellow_Evan is now known as YE 07:44 < electabuzz> for revdel: #wikipedia-en-revdel 07:44 < Krenair> Weird. I never got blocked. 07:45 < electabuzz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BLOCK#Protection says arbcom-lwikimedia.org 07:46 < electabuzz> for the email 07:47 -!- Johnlong [~johnlong@2a02:8109:8500:5e:129a:ddff:febc:4d40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 < Krenair> Maybe I just wasn't obvious enough 07:49 -!- TParis [~TParis@wikipedia/TParis] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:50 < wctaiwan> I thought name was okay? 07:50 < wctaiwan> might be wrong though. It's not something I looked up. 07:50 < Krenair> Or someone realised that blocking because of their ageist ideas could only end badly 07:50 -!- Beria [~Beria@186.212.96.52] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:50 -!- Beria [~Beria@186.212.96.52] has quit [Changing host] 07:50 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:50 < Qcoder00> mattbuck: Depending on the circumstances, a note to the users advising them to have a word with an 'appropriate adult' might also be in order 07:51 -!- electabuzz [~cam@unaffiliated/onei] has left #wikipedia-en [] 07:51 < Qcoder00> The problem is my usual advice contact on this got busted for socking :( 07:51 < russavia> mattbuck you simply say oversight 07:51 < ToAruShiroiNeko> CNN - Sectarian violence reported in Syrian city of Baniyas 07:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> [...] But the U.S. State Department said it was "appalled by horrific reports that more than 100 people were killed May 2" in Beyda, a suburb of Baniyas. 07:52 < mattbuck> no one in #wikipedia-en-revdel is answering :/ 07:53 < russavia> !admin 07:53 < Izhidez> yes? 07:53 < Izhidez> oh 07:53 < russavia> there you go mattbuck 07:53 < Izhidez> {{justdone}} 07:53 * Izhidez saw the ping in -revdel 07:54 < russavia> izhide -- {{notdonecompletely}} 07:54 < Izhidez> ya getting it now 07:55 < russavia> great,you get to troll DC whilst you do it xD 07:55 < mattbuck> :p 07:55 < mattbuck> CONSPIRACY 07:55 < russavia> wait for it :) 07:55 < Krenair> Still not done completely 07:55 < Izhidez> Krenair: how? 07:55 -!- [DJNN] [~corpseMDQ@90-230-104-133-no87.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 07:55 -!- [DJNN] is now known as iceboxFGK 07:56 < Krenair> Well I'm hardly going to tell you am I? 07:56 < Izhidez> ... 07:56 -!- iceboxFGK [~corpseMDQ@90-230-104-133-no87.tbcn.telia.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 08:03 < russavia> ok so i have 5 days to derail legoktm's rfa 08:03 < Thehelpfulone> I hope you're not serious russavia 08:03 < legoktm> I'm dead already. 08:04 < russavia> isn't that enwp is about? see who can derail other's rfa's in the most spectacular way possible?:) 08:04 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:06 < FunPika> enjoy combing through his contribs trying to find an embarrassing diff that will cause a bandwagon of oppose !votes :P 08:06 < russavia> funpika-- youdon't even need to do that 08:08 < russavia> can i ignore my block to vote? :( 08:12 < FunPika> no 08:13 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:13 < russavia> ok, can i create a sock to do it? 08:14 < russavia> please say yes 08:14 < haggis> legoktm: you're rfaing? 08:14 < haggis> Finally I can oppose someone 08:15 < legoktm> <notcanvassing>yes</notcanvassing> 08:15 -!- Doug_Weller [~Doug_Well@wikipedia/Dougweller] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:15 < legoktm> :/ 08:15 < FunPika> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 08:15 * mattbuck opposes due to canvassing 08:15 < legoktm> but i wrapped it in html tags! 08:15 < legoktm> should i have used a hashtag instead? 08:16 < mattbuck> it's like a witch trial 08:16 < mattbuck> if you need to say you're not a witch, you're a witch 08:17 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 < russavia> mattbuck -- they'll block me for canvassing 08:19 < mareklug> http://www.fuduntu.org/blog/2013/04/28/project-ends/ :( 08:20 < mattbuck> what a stupid name 08:20 < mareklug> how old are you mattbuck ? 08:21 < jubo2> 11 08:22 -!- IH|away is now known as Ironholds 08:22 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:23 -!- Izhidez is now known as Izawayz 08:26 -!- Mr-ex777 [~chatzilla@cm218-253-17-171.hkcable.com.hk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 08:26 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4357c4f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:28 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:28 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:28 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:30 * MJ94 waves 08:30 < Bradford> ._. 08:30 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:34 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 08:35 * wctaiwan dunks MJ94 in applesauce 08:35 < Bradford> .-. 08:36 < jubo2> wctaiwan: is it crumby ? 08:37 < wctaiwan> no. 08:37 < jubo2> crumb pie and apple sauce go well together 08:37 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:37 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:37 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:37 < wctaiwan> it's just applesauce. 08:37 < wctaiwan> might be slightly fermented. 08:37 < jubo2> mmm.. fermenatation.. 08:37 -!- camerin [hoax@newelite2.bshellz.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:38 < jubo2> All alcohol is just the conspiracy of plants and mushrooms to control human behaviour 08:38 < jubo2> their aim is to make humans procreate so that the mushrooms can have more growing platforms 08:39 < jubo2> how ever bad the human is doing the fungi still have a walking talking growth medium 08:39 < jubo2> We have 'em in our head, skin, feet and inside too 08:39 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 < MJ94> wctaiwan: yummy! 08:39 < wctaiwan> that's the spirit. 08:42 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:42 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@50-47-210-130.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:42 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:44 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-62-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 08:44 < MJ94> wctaiwan: I love apple sauce. 08:44 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-62-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I resent the claim, the war on fungi is raging 08:45 < wctaiwan> I used to. 08:45 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:45 < MJ94> wctaiwan: used to? 08:45 < wctaiwan> but then in Taiwan applesauce isn't exactly common. 08:45 < wctaiwan> …or eaten by non-infants 08:45 < wctaiwan> afaik. 08:45 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fermented grapejuice for the win 08:45 < jubo2> fermented anything for the win if in .fi 08:46 < MJ94> I also like jello if I can ignore the fact that apparently it's made from bones. 08:46 < BlastHardcheese> jubo2: meanwhile the bacteria are laughing 08:46 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fermented people too? 08:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh right... politicians 08:47 -!- Bradford is now known as Bradford|sleep 08:47 < wctaiwan> vin du soylent vert? 08:47 < jubo2> SOYLENT GREEN IS... I forget... 08:47 < wctaiwan> soleil vert, apparently 08:48 < wctaiwan> ToAruShiroiNeko: poli: many; tics: blood-sucking parasites. 08:49 -!- camerin [hoax@newelite2.bshellz.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:50 < jubo2> as long as things don't get so bad the growth platform ( human ) doesn't die the fungi are enjoying themselves as the most important life form in the universe 08:50 < jubo2> s/doesn't die/dies/ 08:51 -!- koishi [~weather@cpe-098-027-034-197.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52 -!- RaphaelQS [6d18ad39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.24.173.57] has joined #wikipedia-en 08:53 < RaphaelQS> hi 08:53 < jubo2> hi RaphaelQS 09:01 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@205.sub-70-211-6.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:01 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@205.sub-70-211-6.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:01 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:03 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA8DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:03 < darev> Hello1 09:03 < darev> Hello! 09:04 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-62-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:06 -!- RaphaelQS [6d18ad39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.24.173.57] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:07 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:07 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-251-180.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:08 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:08 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:08 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:10 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:11 < MJ94> jubo2: icecream 09:13 -!- juboxi [~jubo2@87-95-130-43.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:14 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@188-67-251-180.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:15 -!- Fluff|away is now known as Fluffernutter 09:19 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:20 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:20 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@41.sub-70-211-9.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:20 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@41.sub-70-211-9.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:20 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:21 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has quit [Client Quit] 09:25 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:26 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:30 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:34 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:35 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:36 -!- Magog_the_Ogre [~Magog_the@wikipedia/Magog-the-Ogre] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:38 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:39 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:41 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has quit [] 09:42 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Quit: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you] 09:44 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44 -!- Bradford|sleep [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:45 -!- Fluffernutter [~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has quit [Quit: brb] 09:48 < Peter-C> Guys 09:48 < Peter-C> I'm famous 09:48 < Peter-C> Got my picture in the paper 09:48 -!- Moe_Epsilon [~David@wikimedia/Moe-Epsilon] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:49 < Peter-C> Its me attending to a guy who was hit by a car 09:49 < Peter-C> Jackass journalist got up in my face with his camera taking pictures 09:49 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:50 < haggis> Peter-C: you were always a star 09:50 < Peter-C> <3 09:52 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 09:54 < closedmouth> did you punch his lights out? 09:55 * MJ94 punches closedmouth 09:56 * closedmouth takes it like a man 09:57 -!- fully [~user@h-120-97.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:57 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-103-63.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:57 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-103-63.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:57 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 09:58 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:00 -!- Darxus [~darxus@panic.chaosreigns.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:01 -!- Tobijah [~Tobijah@2-235-159-177.ip228.fastwebnet.it] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:01 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: GorillaWarfare] 10:01 < Darxus> What happened to this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_accused_of_possessing_Casio_watches&redirect=no It used to have content. It seems odd that the history isn't even there. 10:01 < BlastHardcheese> the cia deleted it 10:01 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:02 < Darxus> Oh, there it is... 10:02 < Wiki13> is is there 10:02 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:02 < Wiki13> ¨without leaving a redirect¨ 10:02 < Wiki13> :) 10:02 < Peter-C> closedmouth - Wish I did 10:02 < Peter-C> BUT my boss would not like that 10:03 < Darxus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_accused_of_possessing_Casio_watches I missed that on the talk page. 10:03 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:03 -!- juboxi_ [~jubo2@87-95-130-43.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:04 -!- juboxi [~jubo2@87-95-130-43.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:10 -!- Fluffernutter [~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:14 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:17 -!- kondi [~kondi@wikimedia/kondicherry] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:17 < pion> Ironholds: you're incompetent now? 10:18 < pion> some people are getting super pissed about Echo I guess... 10:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_accused_of_possessing_Pokémon_cards 10:18 < ToAruShiroiNeko> must create it! 10:18 < Ironholds> pion: sorry? 10:18 < pion> on WT:Notifications 10:19 < darev> God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs, God creates man, an creates dinosaurs .... 10:19 < pion> although your reply was better :P 10:20 < Ironholds> pion: forgive me if Echo is no. 1 on 'list of things I wish to not-think-about on my weekend' ;p 10:20 < pion> Meh :P 10:20 < pion> I was just trying to say I enjoyed reading your reply :P 10:21 < Ironholds> ahh, gotcha :) 10:23 < Krenair> Ironholds is supposed to be having the weekend off pion :) 10:23 < Krenair> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notifications#Update_on_talkpage_notifications 10:23 < pion> oh. 10:23 * pion gives Ironholds a beer and a television 10:25 < kondi> russavia: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/943044_10152788284150483_975005327_n.png 10:27 -!- fully [~user@h-120-97.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:29 < haggis> O_O 10:29 < haggis> wtf 10:29 < haggis> my friend's been missing for four days 10:29 < Ironholds> pion: actually I'm writing fun code. 10:29 < pion> Ironholds: ooh, for what? a game? 10:29 < Ironholds> no, doing some data analysis of user blocks. 10:30 < Ironholds> (see http://blog.ironholds.org/?p=31 for the original; doing followup work at the moment) 10:30 < russavia> kondi: I lol'ed hard at that 10:30 < kondi> it is funny but sad... 10:31 < russavia> kondi - http://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1doabu/india_and_china/ is where its originally from 10:31 < russavia> it's funny because its true 10:31 < kondi> that's why it's sad 10:32 < russavia> http://i.imgur.com/FGECwlw.png 10:33 < wctaiwan> I'm not suited to this framework shit o__o 10:33 < russavia> that's what you get when you base your country's philosophy on non-violent resistence 10:33 < wctaiwan> there's no solid ground to stand on. 10:33 < wctaiwan> it all just magically works. 10:34 < kondi> right, we all should vote and bring in Hindu extremists and make temples all over Himalayas 10:34 < kondi> bring in Hindu extremists to power 10:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> missing friends can be found in lost and found 10:35 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hindu extremist president for US in 2016 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I wonder what Obama will do after retirement 10:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> he is rather young 10:36 < kondi> russavia: did you make that one? 10:36 < russavia> kondi: you need to join us on reddit 10:37 -!- James_F|Away is now known as James_F 10:37 < russavia> we have better conversations there believe it or not 10:37 < russavia> i've got 2 ids,not telling what other is 10:37 -!- BewareofDoug [~Doug__@wikipedia/Doug] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:37 < russavia> nope...not mine 10:37 < kondi> I think I have an account there but I don't spend much time there 10:37 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 10:37 < kondi> except seeing popular threads once in a while 10:38 < russavia> you need to subscribe to /r/polandball to read threads 10:39 < kondi> I guess 10:40 < russavia> the pavlov's dog series is hysterical but sad 10:40 < russavia> well more a "Russia hates dogs" series 10:41 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231113012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:41 < russavia> kondi -- http://imgur.com/sCrdKYd -- http://imgur.com/UPqiDYO -- http://i.imgur.com/nqNsJDk.png 10:42 -!- juboxi_ is now known as jubo2 10:42 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:43 < russavia> the last one references -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_T8OuYIfhM -- definitely NSFW 10:43 < russavia> "Experiments in the Revival of Organisms - Russian Dog Head Experiment" 10:44 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46 -!- Chenzw [~chenzw@wikimedia/Chenzw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49 < russavia> holy shit -- the video is featured on enwp -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms 10:50 * kondi looks 10:50 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms is the article on the video 10:51 -!- muahaha|AFK is now known as muahaha 10:51 < russavia> an article on the actual experiments rather than just the video would be great 10:51 < kondi> lol 10:52 < russavia> but anyway, i love how in the 3rd comic China sneaks in from behind to take the dogs body :) 10:53 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 10:53 < kondi> heh 10:54 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231113012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:55 < russavia> back to your original point kondi -- india needs to "toughen up princess" 10:58 < kondi> yeah yeah.. 10:58 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 10:58 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:59 < russavia> what china did in ladakh the other day was a clear provocation; but it's also exposed a big weakness; that being India's ability to defend its northern frontier is basically non-existent 10:59 < russavia> it needs to channel military resources to the frontier regions like ladakh 11:01 -!- harej [~quassel@164.82.32.13] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:01 -!- harej [~quassel@164.82.32.13] has quit [Changing host] 11:01 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:03 < kondi> russavia: clear provocation? 11:05 < russavia> of course....sendings troops into ladakh to set up shop 11:05 < russavia> i believe the news was all but ignored outside india? 11:06 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@186.212.96.52] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:06 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@186.212.96.52] has quit [Changing host] 11:06 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:07 < kondi> maybe. Movements like this happen every 3-4 months in Ladakh 11:07 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08 < russavia> but i think there are military exercises still between india and china coming up--which is a good thing---getting closer to china will hopefully draw them away from the lunatics to the west 11:08 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@186.212.96.52] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:08 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@186.212.96.52] has quit [Changing host] 11:08 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:08 < kondi> last time they sent in some Helicopters in here, before that they came in and painted rocks with red paint 11:11 -!- southpark [~chatzilla@g231113012.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:11 < russavia> yeah read bout that 11:14 < kondi> Southern Asia should be a union, Economic if not political. 11:25 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:27 -!- Rihan_flat is now known as Rihanlibraryraid 11:30 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-1745.bb.online.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:30 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:34 < muahaha> im not so sure if anything military will come of it, neither china nor india have much of a history or a stomach for a fight 11:34 < muahaha> oops a bit late to the debate 11:36 < Jetro> muahaha 11:36 < muahaha> allo 11:36 < Jetro> ello 11:36 < Jetro> I was just laughing maniacly :D 11:37 < kondi> heh 11:37 < muahaha> can i join you, i havent had a maniacal laugh in a while 11:37 < muahaha> despite the name 11:37 < muahaha> :( 11:38 -!- Warhound [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:38 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA8DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:38 < MJ94> muahaha 11:39 < dtm> hi guys. i'm tryin to figure out how to make a new graphical timeline like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(band)#Timeline but that one's made using <timeline> and I don't even know what type of syntax that is. I can't find any docs at all on it. how do i even look that up? 11:39 < dtm> why is its syntax written like <timeline> and not {{timeline}} 11:39 < muahaha> lol 11:39 < muahaha> :D 11:39 < Jasper_Deng> dtm: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Timeline 11:39 < dtm> it's not a template, is it? 11:39 < Jasper_Deng> it's a MediaWiki extension 11:39 < dtm> i've never heard of an extension. how positively decadent. 11:40 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has quit [Quit: wctaiwan] 11:40 < dtm> holy crap, those are some interesting graphs. 11:41 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.98.143.113] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 -!- Beria [~Beria@177.98.143.113] has quit [Changing host] 11:41 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:41 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:42 -!- GulagAmerigo [~their@adsl-69-209-237-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:42 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:43 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 11:49 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I hate timeline 11:50 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it makes me feel old :( 11:51 < dtm> :-o 11:51 < dtm> ToAruShiroiNeko: who's making timelines about you? lol 11:51 * BlastHardcheese puts ToAruShiroiNeko in an old folks' home 11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> nobody but you see how much you have aged :/ 11:52 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am older than some countries! 11:52 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA8DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wikipedia-en 11:53 < Isarra> How does our fair use guideline cover image resolutions for high-density displays? 11:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> fair use guideline intends to use low resolution so as not to infringe on copyright 11:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I find that to be somewhat stupid but meh 11:55 < Isarra> Low resolution can cut out the usefulness of having an image at all on high dpi displys. 11:57 < SuicidalZerg> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/04/0224248/uk-benefits-claimants-must-use-windows-xp-ie6 11:58 < Qcoder00> SuicidalZerg: Well the DWP has obviously hired the wrong contractors as IE6 is de-facto obselete 11:59 < SuicidalZerg> IE6 is suicidal to use 11:59 < Qcoder00> It's almost silly enough to provoke anonymous into "proving" how bad IE6 is in terms of security 11:59 < Qcoder00> ]*anonymous hackers 12:02 < Qcoder00> That said I'm sure the DWP knows that it's doing :) 12:02 < MJ94> ToAruShiroiNeko: are you…like….40? *gasp* 12:05 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@192.sub-70-211-1.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:05 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@192.sub-70-211-1.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:05 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> MJ94 no :p 12:05 < MJ94> 50?? 12:05 -!- MaKiNeoH [5f3f74db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.63.116.219] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> South Sudan, Kosovo, Serbia... :p 12:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> anyone over the age of 3 is older than at least one country 12:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Qcoder00 IE6 is... meh 12:06 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ie6 wont run in windows 7 I think 12:07 < Qcoder00> Nor will it work with smart-phones... 12:07 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it might 12:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> if you get those old PDAs 12:07 < Qcoder00> Let's hope the next gen Benefit claims system will be 'compatible' for purpose in 10 years time :) 12:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its better than US veterans which runs on... paper. 12:08 < Qcoder00> <sarcasm detector broken> 12:08 < Qcoder00> ToAruShiroiNeko: Well physical paper forms have this nasty habit of being persistent... 12:08 < Qcoder00> ;) 12:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they had to relocate folders because the building had a risk of collapsing 12:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> NotASpy you here? 12:09 < NotASpy> ToAruShiroiNeko: not all here, but substantially complete. 12:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> okay 12:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I pm you 12:10 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 12:12 -!- jubo2 [~jubo2@87-95-130-43.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Beams.] 12:16 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-40-170.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:18 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@vagvlan536.1201.wlan.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:18 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@vagvlan536.1201.wlan.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu] has quit [Changing host] 12:18 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:19 * MJ94 pokes Qcoder00 and runs away to do homework. 12:19 < Qcoder00> MJ94; What do you need? 12:19 < MJ94> Nothing; but, tag, you're it. 12:24 < Qcoder00> {{it-tag-declined|reason= Too busy)) 12:24 < Qcoder00> }} 12:27 -!- Reedy [~quassel@2a01:348:6:8664:517e:f2b9:668b:e108] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:27 -!- Reedy [~quassel@2a01:348:6:8664:517e:f2b9:668b:e108] has quit [Changing host] 12:27 -!- Reedy [~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:28 < darev> n8 12:28 -!- darev [~darev@p54AA8DE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 12:28 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 12:29 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32 < dtm> i'm working on a draft of a timeline at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smuckola/timeline so far, i just have the years, not exact dates. so how can I make it extend that range out for gigs where i just have a single year? do i have to pretend that the gig lasted from 01/01/yyyy to 12/31/yyyy ? 12:33 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:33 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 12:34 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:34 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:35 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:36 < dtm> and why is the legend messed up? the colors and titles are wrong. 12:37 -!- Bazinga [~chatzilla@S0106001ee560ade9.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:37 -!- Bazinga [~chatzilla@S0106001ee560ade9.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:37 -!- Bazinga [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:37 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:37 < Bazinga> mattbuck: http://an.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imachen:AlgecirasEscudo.png hardly equivalent :-P 12:42 < dtm> ToAruShiroiNeko: do you perhaps comprehend the <timeline> <3 <3 <3 12:44 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:46 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:46 -!- muahaha is now known as muahaha|AFK 12:46 -!- Seahorse_ [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 12:46 -!- Seahorse_ is now known as Seahorse 12:54 < ToAruShiroiNeko> no, its too complicated dtm 12:54 -!- ragesoss_ [~quassel@pool-74-98-210-132.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:54 < dtm> ToAruShiroiNeko: :[ 12:56 < dtm> ToAruShiroiNeko: but youuu can do anythiiiing 12:59 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:03 -!- abdizeer [~abdizeer@c83-253-167-50.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:04 -!- abdizeer [~abdizeer@c83-253-167-50.bredband.comhem.se] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:05 -!- abdizeer [~abdizeer@c83-253-167-50.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:05 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:06 -!- abdizeer [~abdizeer@c83-253-167-50.bredband.comhem.se] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> dtm I got faith of the heart 13:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but we ran out of dilithium crystals 13:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> hit by klingon missles 13:08 < dtm> ToAruShiroiNeko: our ships run on DILITHIUM!! not on TALK!!! 13:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its produced by chatter 13:08 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats why production is moved to hair saloons 13:08 -!- muahaha|AFK is now known as muahaha 13:08 -!- Keegan [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:08 < dtm> k 13:08 < gde33> no original thoughts plz 13:09 < dtm> original research is banned 13:09 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its not research 13:09 < gde33> banned by a believe system 13:09 < dtm> welcome to the hair saloon. yes siree, i do believe i'll have y'all rustle me up one of them permanent afros 13:09 < gde33> imagine that 13:10 < dtm> ToAruShiroiNeko: it's not research! IT'S GENETICS 13:10 < gde33> an authorative ideology on wikipedia 13:10 < gde33> one all others should obey 13:10 < gde33> I use to think it was a good thing :D 13:10 < dtm> yes i'd like one of those, too, please, if it isn't too much trouble and all 13:11 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:11 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:11 < dtm> we've all just got to authoritatively BELIEVE. never give up, never forget. 13:11 -!- Magog_the_Ogre [~Magog_the@wikipedia/Magog-the-Ogre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11 < dtm> NEVER SURRENDER. 13:11 < gde33> wp ends up favoring popculture over intelectual goods 13:11 < gde33> over science! 13:12 < dtm> oic 13:12 < gde33> we can have articles about any crazy software, rock band or biblical scripture, just not original research, that would be bad (!?!)!!!?? 13:14 -!- eeekster [~ellis@wikipedia/eeekster] has quit [Quit: new kernel] 13:16 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:16 < dtm> gde33: about crazy software which was never publicly announced or seen! 13:16 < dtm> i've written just a tad of OR 13:16 < gde33> and it is wonderfull 13:16 < gde33> or not? 13:17 < gde33> I read so many of these articles I cant say I dislike them 13:17 < dtm> there needs to be multiple tiers or classes of wikipedia. there's already a list class and a stub class, so why not a "original research" class? ;) 13:17 < dtm> yeah there is an aspect of lore which needs to be preserved and which wont go anywhere else 13:17 < dtm> on some other web site 13:17 < gde33> because some people have executive privilage, they wrote the guideline themselves 13:17 < gde33> hahaha 13:17 < dtm> obscure minutea which is nonetheleess compelling, substantial, and part of a greater notable culture 13:18 < gde33> yes, specially the crazy stuff is important 13:18 < dtm> yeah. 13:18 < dtm> here's to the crazy ones! 13:18 < gde33> god wanted it this way! 13:18 < dtm> {{wikiproject | class=crazy}} 13:18 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 13:18 < dtm> importance=irrelevant 13:18 < gde33> in stead we have an anti wikiproject 13:18 < dtm> class=dreck 13:19 < gde33> entirely aimed at deleting as much fringe works as possible 13:19 < gde33> lmao 13:19 < gde33> so we end up with a high % rock bands now 13:19 < dtm> gde33: are you talking about anything specifically, or all of wikipedia in general? 13:19 < dtm> yeah i'm working on rock bands ;) 13:19 < gde33> as general as possible 13:19 < dtm> but i'm working on making them more human and positive and culturally relevant, rather than just lists and statistics 13:19 < dtm> more quotations and samples 13:19 < gde33> rock bands are not bad to have, people enjoy writing huge articles about these things 13:19 < gde33> those articles have tons of readers 13:20 < dtm> yeah. 13:20 < gde33> who am I to have an opinion about that? 13:20 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20 < gde33> I should invade this area of the wiki to enforce my disinterest? 13:20 < gde33> lol 13:20 < dtm> there's a lot of non-notable or uncited junk, but people are interested 13:21 < gde33> if it fits the scope of an encyclopedia it should stay 13:21 < dtm> in such cases, maybe we could look at it as simply incomplete. a work in progress. 13:21 -!- YE [~chatzilla@ip70-180-214-180.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:21 < dtm> i've seen a lot of articles which are {{unreferenced}} for many years, but the subject is notable 13:21 < gde33> I would have done so many things so much different from wikimedia, but now that we kinda have what we have it is hard to get people to agree to blindly try new things. 13:22 < gde33> The first thing I would make would be a wikisoftware for ONE article. 13:22 < NotASpy> What am I reading at the moment ? 13:22 < gde33> then you can bugger off and write that one article, call us when it is finished lol 13:23 < gde33> NotASpy: you are now reading the #wikipedia-en channel 13:23 < dtm> gde33: what do you mean about wikisoftware for one article? 13:23 < dtm> NotASpy: agreed. 13:23 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@192.sub-70-211-1.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:23 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@192.sub-70-211-1.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:23 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:23 < gde33> in stead of a whole wiki 13:23 < dtm> NotASpy: i am a reliable primary source for that statement 13:24 < gde33> basically a javascript wikicode interpreter 13:24 < NotASpy> I thought I'd stumbled into the twilight zone or something. Original research a good idea. The ramblings of a mad person, I'm afraid. 13:24 < gde33> with a single html document that one can edit and post back to the site 13:24 < dtm> NotASpy: EPARSE incomplete sentences 13:25 -!- Gallego [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pohntpkvkvxjkmul] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25 < gde33> NotASpy: meet me half way : this is your opinion or not? 13:25 -!- thineantiquepen [~thineanti@wikipedia/Thine-Antique-Pen] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:25 -!- haggis [uid6619@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:25 < gde33> your opinion is that I'm a mad person? 13:25 -!- JD|cloud [uid7951@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:25 < dtm> gde33: i'm afraid that i dont follow what you mean about the software 13:25 < gde33> I'm not offended 13:25 -!- Rcsprinter [uid8084@wikipedia/Rcsprinter123] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25 < gde33> just for the sake of argument 13:25 < NotASpy> if you think original research is acceptable for an encyclopedia, you're mad. Totally mad. 13:25 -!- Mono|Away [uid1187@wikimedia/mono] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26 < gde33> that is your opinion right? 13:26 < gde33> you don't have medical documents that show this to be true 13:26 < gde33> agreed? 13:26 < gde33> I don't object to you having an ideology but why would you get to enforce it? 13:26 -!- addshore [uid10233@wikimedia/addshore] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:26 < NotASpy> do you see Encyclopedia Britannica carrying out their own research ? 13:26 -!- tzatziki [uid6894@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26 < gde33> what makes you so special? 13:26 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 13:26 -!- XJR-9 [uid2977@pdpc/supporter/active/xjr-9] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:27 < NotASpy> that'll be a no then. 13:27 < gde33> I'm mostly aiming at the line of original research not being fixed here 13:27 < gde33> that you do understand right? 13:28 < gde33> NotASpy: people write about all kinds of topics on the wiki, the things they want to write about are not always in line with the things wikipedia wants 13:28 < NotASpy> Original research would have Wikipedia taken down from the internet within days for all sorts of libelous nonsense, and rightly so. OR is suggesting someone rapes children because they drive an ice cream van. 13:28 < gde33> this is why systematic suppression is applied 13:28 < gde33> NotASpy: oh but I do agree with that 13:29 < gde33> NotASpy: things are not as black and white 13:29 < dtm> NotASpy: there's no need to be so rude. he's simply stating that there should be a way to reconcile *some* original research with non-original research. 13:29 < gde33> If I want to use peer reviewed papers in an article and this is refused because of the journal not being prominent enough to be allowed to introduced a non status quo view 13:30 < NotASpy> there's absolutely no way to reconcile original research here for precisely that reason, amongst countless others. 13:30 < gde33> dtm: there is a need to be rude 13:30 < dtm> there is a non-zero amount of original research which is relevant to an encyclopedia, especially since the entire concepts of original research and reliable sources can be subjective and specious 13:30 < gde33> dtm: what I'm suggesting goes directly against his ideology 13:30 < dtm> gde33: there's no need to be rude. 13:31 < gde33> if people want to be rude about fringe topics it doesn't bother me, that is what I mean. 13:31 < NotASpy> so you're going to permit original research, who gets to decide what original research is permitted and what original research is barred, that's equally subjective and specious. 13:31 < dtm> yeah well whatever; not everyone else wants or needs to see it! 13:31 < dtm> and it isn't necessary 13:31 < gde33> NotASpy: we should not have unsourced materials of course 13:32 < gde33> NotASpy: the question is where to draw the line 13:32 < dtm> as it stands, we just insert templates. we can write a small amoutn of original research if strictly necessary, and label it as such. 13:32 < NotASpy> gde33: but if you permit any source, I'll just put my crackpot theories in a paper on my own site. 13:32 < gde33> I think the line is much to far towards a negative believe system, an endorsed ideology 13:32 < dtm> calling it a work in progress, a best effort, and waiting for someone to create a totally superior version. 13:32 < gde33> NotASpy: agreed, we cant have that either 13:33 < gde33> lets take parapsychology journals for example 13:33 < gde33> there are many topics that wont be discussed in other journals, obviously 13:33 < NotASpy> the reason we have banned OR, why sourcing is now totally subjective (and it's not perfect, nothing is) is because authors game journals. 13:33 < gde33> are the opinions in those parapsychology journals worthy of inclusion or should they be deleted for being OR? 13:33 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:33 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:33 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:34 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34 < gde33> you do have to understand all you have left to write about the topic is news articles and skeptic books. 13:34 < gde33> if you ban the "offical" information you are left with trash that you cant even write an article out of. 13:35 < gde33> most of the current fringe articles are just so bad 13:35 < NotASpy> it depends, because it's a bit of a free for all, some of the journals are complete trash, a waste of paper and bandwidth. Paraspychology, even as a fringe/pseudo science, could be better organised. There are experts on it, now some scientists might think they're a bit mad, but they could and should be peer reviewing stuff and setting some sort of quality threshold. 13:35 * The_Blade loves the journal of the AAPS... 13:36 -!- Rihanlibraryraid is now known as Rihan 13:36 < gde33> I think your bias against this stuff is strong enough on it's own, I don't think groups of editors who think like you need special rules to be able to "deal with" lone pseudoscience pov pushers? Or what are they called now? 13:36 < gde33> why all the machinery? 13:36 -!- marek__ [~marek@178-37-48-91.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: Wychodzi] 13:37 -!- MJ94 is now known as join 13:37 -!- join is now known as MJ94 13:37 -!- TBloemink [~TB@wikimedia/tbloemink] has quit [Quit: So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Operator from a pure heart.] 13:37 < The_Blade> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ihcoyc/The_problem_of_anti-supernatural_bias is an interesting read if you're into the fringe/pseudoscience topics. 13:37 < gde33> if some scientists think they are loony toons, why would you not need a source for this original research? 13:37 < NotASpy> just because something can't be explained by mainstream science doesn't mean it can't be the subject of sensible discussion and a good journal article by parapsychologists or whatever. 13:38 < dtm> one interesting potential use of OR would be to describe why something is noteworthy. there may be an article citing something important, but not why it's important. so anyone without expertise won't know why they should even read it. there may be a person of expertise or insight, who knows why it's important (what it takes to achieve a certain award, or the context of the situation). i suppose that should be in the ==Notes== section? 13:38 < gde33> NotASpy: that much is obvious, at least to me. 13:38 < dtm> because we should be expanding subjects beyond just their area and audience of immediate expertise. 13:38 < gde33> NotASpy: attribute it to source if it says weird things 13:39 < gde33> dtm: describing the conflict between editors is often better than chosing a winner 13:40 < gde33> I've seen this, "wikipedians discussed ..." citations long long ago. :D 13:40 < gde33> *these 13:41 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. 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Wikipedia very much becomes the authority on the topic and promotes contradictory claims. 13:43 -!- farouezt [~zad@gateway/tor-sasl/farouezt] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:43 < gde33> The skeptic knee jerk rules the wiki and the google and announces his religious arguments. 13:44 < The_Blade> Hence the link I put in above 13:44 < gde33> The_Blade: yeah, good one that was 13:44 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:45 < NotASpy> The problem isn't really Wikipedia's, it's the lack of good content created by paranormal experts. Yes, WP could in some cases do more to be more balanced but without good reliable material it's difficult. 13:46 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:46 < gde33> paranormal experts don't want to work with teams of skeptics, who dont read, who dont contribute, who don't collaborate on talk pages, who plaster your userpage with banners. 13:47 < gde33> they run away like the cowards they are :P 13:47 < gde33> thats not what we want from them 13:48 -!- dendodge [~dendodge@unaffiliated/dendodge] has left #wikipedia-en [] 13:48 < gde33> one good thing needs to be said about these skeptic cults, often theirs is the only remaining published material about their subjects. 13:48 < NotASpy> they shouldn't be working on WP at all, they should be running proper journals, writing proper papers and providing reliable material to explain what cannot be explained by mainstream science (or at least, providing sensible contrasting ideas). 13:48 < The_Blade> They create associations like the AAPS or Conservapedia instead of actually making up cogent arguments. 13:48 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48 < gde33> NotASpy: that is most often not possible 13:49 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:49 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:49 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:49 < gde33> The_Blade: yes, it salves nothing. lol 13:49 < The_Blade> Although it does at least provide some comic relief for the rest of us. 13:50 < gde33> nasty to laugh at peoples misfortune 13:50 < gde33> have to keep reminding yourself not to 13:50 < NotASpy> gde33: without that, you'll never improve WP's coverage of those topics. With a lot of topics, if you were to permit original research, there would be vast disputes about the original research, disagreements that are largely off site at the moment would be dragged on here. 13:51 < gde33> you have to picture the rules we have combined with the negative bias 13:52 < NotASpy> who would you let perform OR on Wikipedia though - it has to be open to everybody. Do we really want every interested party writing their own thoughts on paranormal activity on WP, and bundling it into certain articles ? 13:52 -!- farouezt [~zad@gateway/tor-sasl/farouezt] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 13:53 < gde33> we must imagine borderline topics without actually naming any 13:53 -!- FunPika [~FunPika@wikipedia/FunPika] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:53 -!- fully` [~user@h-120-97.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:53 < gde33> Currently you don't have to bother trying to contribute to fringe articles. You can try propose something on the talk page only to be harshly rejected by one in 300 skeptics. 13:53 < gde33> it seems there is always a skeptic available to deny everything. 13:53 < NotASpy> it would be far better if they all got together elsewhere and collaborated on something we can then use. 13:54 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54 < gde33> and let wikipedia troll them? 13:54 < gde33> yes, that seems the only alternative 13:54 -!- foks|mobil [~foks@dab-ell2-h-1-5.dab.02.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:54 < gde33> or you can contact the reliable sources and ask them to pull your publication 13:54 < gde33> then AFD the article 13:55 -!- foks|mobil is now known as Guest91773 13:56 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 13:56 -!- Sky2042 is now known as Sky2042_afk 13:56 < gde33> NotASpy: I think we can look at other categories and see what happens if you unleash the .... say software developers? 13:56 -!- farouezt [~zad@gateway/tor-sasl/farouezt] has joined #wikipedia-en 13:57 < NotASpy> I don't see why any fringe subject cannot produce a journal in the vein of something like PLOS. The disagreements and theories in main stream science are often no different to those in fringe subjects, but it all works. 13:57 < gde33> I dont have to believe in astrology to see it is a believe system. lol 13:57 < gde33> they do, you may not use the fringe journal because it is fringe 13:57 < gde33> perfect circular reasoning 13:58 < The_Blade> The trick is, you have to use such things to discuss what *the believers themselves* believe. 13:59 < IRWolfie-> The_Blade: that essay advocates for the use of primary fringe sources 13:59 < gde33> IRWolfie-: hi 13:59 < IRWolfie-> basing articles on primary sources of any kind is a bad idea 13:59 < IRWolfie-> gde33: hello you 13:59 < The_Blade> I.e. no one in their right mind would ever use an AAPS journal article as a source for a medical claim, but it could potentially be quite useful as a demonstration of what the AAPS believes. 14:00 < IRWolfie-> The_Blade: For what purposes 14:00 < IRWolfie-> ? 14:00 < gde33> history 14:01 < IRWolfie-> gde33: if you want to do original research to construct history then wikipedia is not a place 14:01 < IRWolfie-> We can just defer to reliable sources for the history of a fringe movement 14:01 < gde33> history of original research 14:01 < gde33> that wont describe it 14:01 < IRWolfie-> ? 14:02 < The_Blade> If we want to use astrology as an example, astrology books are an insight into what astrologers believed. No one would seriously use them as science books, but if you're writing about astrology you have to show exactly what its practitioners elieved 14:02 < The_Blade> *believed. 14:02 < IRWolfie-> gde33: We have an article on Astrology, and we don't need to restort to fringe journals to describe it 14:02 < gde33> that is your opinion 14:02 < IRWolfie-> The_Blade: The problem is that there is nothing close to a uninform position within astrology 14:02 < gde33> one of a person who doesn't believe such things 14:03 < IRWolfie-> You'll find positions as varied as claiming it is divination, religion and science 14:03 < IRWolfie-> gde33: "such things". What things? 14:03 < The_Blade> Well, yeah, it's a general example. 14:03 < gde33> astrology 14:03 < gde33> that was the example 14:03 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:03 < IRWolfie-> and out of curiosity, what's your nick? 14:03 < gde33> then the question becomes how it bothers you if astrologists write articles for astrologists just like it works with religion. 14:03 -!- TheChance [~thechance@c-76-115-162-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> astrology is a science 14:04 < Peter-C> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310074_656825557680234_938090303_n.jpg 14:04 < ToAruShiroiNeko> science of bullshit :) 14:04 < gde33> or fringe physicists 14:04 < gde33> ToAruShiroiNeko: if you like, yes 14:04 < IRWolfie-> gde33: it bothers me that they aren't reliable for what they write 14:04 < IRWolfie-> they don't have a reputation for accuracy and reliability 14:04 < gde33> that is your opinion 14:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> IRWolfie- sure they do, they are always right given how vaige they are 14:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I can predict just as nicely 14:05 < IRWolfie-> gde33: Do you really want a straw poll about whether people think astrology journals are reliable for more than opinion? 14:05 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:05 < IRWolfie-> because last time with correlation that resulted in Jimbo himself panning it 14:05 < gde33> yes, but then only the readers of those articles would get to vote 14:05 < gde33> that would be great 14:05 < ToAruShiroiNeko> astrology isnt verifiable info 14:05 < gde33> you never read these articles, you only read mainstream journals, why does it bother you if fringe physicists write about fringe physics? 14:06 < gde33> as long as they dont make statements of fact it seems fine 14:06 < IRWolfie-> gde33: You are asking the wrong question 14:06 < gde33> IRWolfie-: intentionally 14:06 * ToAruShiroiNeko grabs The_Blade and cuts things 14:06 < IRWolfie-> gde33: are you 84.*? 14:06 -!- Guest91773 [~foks@dab-ell2-h-1-5.dab.02.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:07 < gde33> yes, the universally refused contributor 14:07 < gde33> haha 14:07 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Blade might I pm you in the very near future? 14:07 < IRWolfie-> gde33: Did you have the same nick the last time I talked to you? 14:07 < The_Blade> Sure 14:07 < gde33> IRWolfie-: yes 14:08 < IRWolfie-> gde33: It doesn't bother me if fringe physicists want to write about fringe physics. They already do. That isn't a question that concerns wikipedia. 14:08 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:08 < gde33> I was curious about your personal opinion so that I may understand your view better :) 14:09 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:10 < gde33> it is really ok regardless what rules are in place, if my contributions are not useful I will go do something else 14:10 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> gde33 we tend to think in the context of whats suitable onw ikipedia 14:10 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whats reliable sources 14:10 < gde33> sure, I understand 14:12 < gde33> the only real argument I have is that popculture grows on undesturbed and that the more GB of popculture we have on wikipedia the weirder it gets to refuse physics articles. 14:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont believe in astrology and I find it to be BS, you have every right to believe in it 14:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> pop-culture is verifiable 14:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a movie you can watch 14:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a bad idea to mix pop culture and actual sicence articles of course 14:12 < gde33> you cant argue against having content in one context then applaud it in annother 14:12 < Bazinga> can russavia into space 14:13 < gde33> there are plenty of reliable sources for a lot of OR 14:13 < gde33> lets forget about the material without sources, that will never be used. 14:14 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:15 -!- fully` [~user@h-120-97.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:17 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:17 -!- Seahorse_ [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:17 -!- Seahorse_ is now known as Seahorse 14:18 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 14:18 -!- jakr 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There is no reliable sources for OR, that is why it is OR. 14:56 < IRWolfie-> s/There is/There are/ 14:57 < gde33> IRWolfie-: there can be reliable sources for the existance of a theory while it may still not be included. 14:57 < Swob> yeah 14:58 < Swob> wow they just got snow in ARKANSAS 14:58 < The_Blade> Well, they have mountains there. 14:58 < Swob> and also some in Oklahoma 14:58 < gde33> IRWolfie-: fringe is a better context 14:58 -!- eeekster [~ellis@wikipedia/eeekster] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:04 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:05 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:06 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-41-160.public.wayport.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:06 -!- harej [~quassel@ip-64-134-41-160.public.wayport.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:06 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:09 -!- Guest74329 [~foks@dab-ell2-h-1-2.dab.02.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:09 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:13 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:16 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:17 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:17 < Cncmaster> What is it today with minors and posting personal information? 15:17 < IRWolfie-> gde33: Your meaning is not clear 15:18 < The_Blade> Cncmaster; I've often wondered that myself. 15:18 < The_Blade> Make sure you get an oversighter if it's really bad. 15:18 -!- Guest74329 [~foks@dab-ell2-h-1-2.dab.02.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:18 < Cncmaster> 2 oversight requests in the past 15 minutes, 4 pages. 15:19 < Cncmaster> I have the oversight page bookmarked on my links page just for that. 15:19 < The_Blade> Ah, good. 15:20 * The_Blade once found a 10 year old who seemed to be intent on publishing her entire genealogy on her userpage... even the oversighters were stunned at how much was up there. 15:20 < Cncmaster> I found a 12 year old earlier who had to post the gps coords of her location 15:20 < Cncmaster> just amazing 15:21 < gde33> IRWolfie-: like I said: the only real argument I have is that popculture grows on undesturbed and that the more GB of popculture we have on wikipedia the weirder it gets to refuse physics articles. 15:21 < gde33> IRWolfie-: you dont understand this? 15:21 < The_Blade> The other really bad one I saw was the 9 year old who wrote in detail about being molested... 15:22 < Cncmaster> Sounds great. 15:22 < gde33> IRWolfie-: you might be saving the world from x, that was not the goal 15:22 -!- FastLizard4|zZzZ is now known as FastLizard4 15:22 -!- Teyandee [~Miranda@ws218-13.maryno.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:23 < Swob> whoa 18 inches of snow in Minnesota 15:23 < dtm> what's the best way to cite sales stats for artists and albums and singles? so far i'm looking up the 'awards' tab on allmusic (like for Billboard 200), and sometimes I can find some things on billboard.com. but i can't find "sacred fire: live in south america" on billboard.com. i can only find allmusic's secondary citation of billboard. 15:23 < The_Blade> The amount of really weird stuff you see goes up by a factor of 10 when you become an admin; I can only imagine what it is for oversighters. 15:23 < Swob> blade yikes 15:23 < dtm> The_Blade: :-o 15:23 < Swob> did you do anything 15:23 < Swob> alos we have to consider some of these mightr be fake 15:24 < Swob> i suspect a lot of trolls like to talk about being sexually abused since they know it's one topic everyone will take seriously 15:24 < The_Blade> There wasn't a location there, just some vague stuff; it didn't look at all real to me. I told the oversight people to do what they thought was right. 15:24 < Swob> I dont know how likely they are to do it on Wikipedia 15:24 < gde33> IRWolfie-: I'm just looking how things work just out of curiosity, not nesarly to invent the wheel. 15:24 < Cncmaster> I've been keeping Fred Bauder busy for the past 30 minutes. 15:24 < Cncmaster> With pages needing oversight. 15:24 * The_Blade of late has read plenty about what abused children act and sound like, and that userpage didn't really fit well. 15:25 -!- JD|cloud [uid7951@wikimedia/Jasper-Deng] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:25 -!- sdamashek is now known as sd|dinner 15:25 -!- XJR-9 [uid2977@pdpc/supporter/active/xjr-9] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:26 -!- haggis [uid6619@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kevzdrapugnkzrvp] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:26 -!- haggis is now known as Guest35119 15:26 < Cncmaster> I have sent 17 requests in the past 3 months. 15:26 < Cncmaster> According to my growing email inbox. 15:27 < Cncmaster> Usually containing 4-5 pages that need checking each. 15:27 -!- DJMalik [uid7910@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypxbpikpwyhgqdka] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:28 -!- DJMalik is now known as Guest74038 15:28 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28 -!- The_Blade_ [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:28 -!- The_Blade_ is now known as The_Blade 15:28 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@ool-18ba301d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:28 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:28 -!- Mono [uid1187@wikimedia/mono] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:29 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:29 -!- evilgohan2 [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:29 -!- evilgohan2[NullR [~freenode@c-68-48-223-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30 -!- Teyandee [~Miranda@ws218-13.maryno.net] has left #wikipedia-en ["I'm a happy Miranda IM user! Get it here: http://miranda-im.org"] 15:30 < Swob> anyway 3 inches of snow in Arkansas 15:31 < Cncmaster> I've never seen newpages with no yellow on it 15:31 < Cncmaster> until right now 15:33 -!- NotASpy [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Heligoland] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:34 -!- foksglam [uid6894@wikipedia/fox] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:34 < The_Blade> At the moment, I actually like it because I can filter out the people trying to contact me on my talkpage who can't take a few strong hints; once I'm out of that mode, I'm sure my reaction will be like most peoples'. 15:35 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@105.sub-70-211-10.myvzw.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:35 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@105.sub-70-211-10.myvzw.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:35 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:35 < greenrosetta> Orb 15:36 * The_Blade will find out at some point, though probably not for a while yet. 15:37 < Peter-C> The_Blade - I am famous 15:37 < Peter-C> I am in the paper 15:37 < greenrosetta> crime section? 15:37 < The_Blade> For anything particularly remarkable? 15:37 < Peter-C> Press in town took a pic of me assisting a ped struck 15:37 < Cncmaster> Peter-C: proof? 15:37 < greenrosetta> hit and run? that's bad 15:37 < greenrosetta> shame on you 15:37 < greenrosetta> :D 15:37 < Peter-C> Well, hit and stay 15:37 < The_Blade> Oh, those are always fun to deal with... 15:37 < Cncmaster> Pics or gtfo :) 15:38 < greenrosetta> ^^ 15:38 -!- rr0 [~rr0@wikipedia/ruslik0] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:38 < Peter-C> The_Blade - I then had to go mutual aid to another town, 4 teenagers were ATRA 15:38 < The_Blade> Sounds like one hell of a day... 15:38 < Peter-C> PD innocently did a vechicle stop in front of a house that just so happened to be having a party 15:38 < Peter-C> kids freak 15:38 < Peter-C> guess how many cops had to come and round up the kids 15:38 < Cncmaster> 20? 15:39 < greenrosetta> 100 15:39 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Client Quit] 15:39 < greenrosetta> 1 million 15:39 < The_Blade> Let's just guess "a lot" and see what he says. 15:39 < greenrosetta> ok, 3 15:39 < Peter-C> 17 15:39 < Cncmaster> I was close. 15:39 < Peter-C> Two towns full police force 15:39 < The_Blade> Yikes. 15:40 < greenrosetta> For all the times I've been chased by cops, I'm surprised they never got me 15:40 < Cncmaster> O.o 15:40 < greenrosetta> fear makes the legs go woo woo 15:40 < Peter-C> The_Blade - I then took the SATs 15:40 < Peter-C> 2 hours of sleep 15:40 < Peter-C> ^_^ 15:40 < Cncmaster> What a day. 15:41 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 15:41 < The_Blade> Oh, then that was a *hell* of a day. 15:41 < Peter-C> mhm 15:41 < Peter-C> My last Friday night 15:41 < Peter-C> Now I work Monday's 15:42 * The_Blade knows a doctor who had to deal with woman who drank a fifth of whiskey; blood alcohol of .8 15:42 < Peter-C> Ended on a high note 15:42 < The_Blade> So I see. 15:42 < greenrosetta> .8? 15:42 < greenrosetta> that's dead 15:42 < Peter-C> Dude, you should see the drunk we deal with in my town. He does 2 12 packs in a night. 15:42 < The_Blade> If she hadn't eaten a full dinner 5 minutes before, she would have died. 15:42 < Peter-C> Than he gets depressed and calls us 15:43 * Cncmaster is glad he doesn't live in the same town Peter-C does. 15:43 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:44 -!- JemBeep [~JemBeep@92.40.254.95.threembb.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:46 -!- muahaha2 [~muahaha@cpc14-oldh9-2-0-cust88.10-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:46 < dtm> Peter-C: what do you do, that makes you have to deal with such things? 15:46 -!- two2thehead [~User___@unaffiliated/two2thehead] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:47 < Peter-C> EMT 15:47 < The_Blade> What else? 15:47 < Peter-C> I could be a cop 15:47 < gde33> lol 15:47 < The_Blade> Well, true. 15:47 < Peter-C> My dream title is firefighter paramedic police occifer 15:47 -!- sd|dinner is now known as sdamashek 15:47 < Peter-C> And yes 15:47 < Peter-C> I said occifer 15:48 < Swob> evenin' occifer 15:48 < Peter-C> That's what drunk pts call the police 15:48 < Swob> ive been mistaken for drunk a few times while driving on unfamilair roads at 4 am 15:49 < IRWolfie-> Peter-C: 12 pack of cans or bottles? 15:49 < Peter-C> Cans 15:50 < Swob> thats tsill a lot 15:50 < Peter-C> yea 15:50 < Peter-C> Better than the house party 15:50 < IRWolfie-> not sure how it is where you are, but every village here seems to have the odd public alcholic 15:50 < Swob> heh 15:50 < Peter-C> Everyone was wearing the booze on their shirts 15:50 < Peter-C> I'll let you imagine why that is 15:50 < Swob> a blood alcohol calculator wont even go that high 15:50 < Peter-C> bbl 15:51 < Swob> hmm, its actually not *ridiculous;ly* high if you drink slowly 15:52 * The_Blade never did get the attraction to being really drunk... 15:53 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:53 < Swob> WP says that the highest known BAC that has been survived is 1.60% 15:54 < kelapstick> I am willing to give that a shot 15:54 < dtm> what's the best way to cite sales stats for artists and albums and singles? so far i'm looking up the 'awards' tab on allmusic (like for Billboard 200), and sometimes I can find some things on billboard.com. but i can't find "sacred fire: live in south america" on billboard.com. i can only find allmusic's secondary citation of billboard. 15:54 < dtm> there's no official template for musical awards, except for {{allmusic}}, is there? 15:55 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56 -!- IShadowed_ [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-145-184.bb.ispone.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@112-213-145-184.bb.ispone.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 15:56 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:56 -!- ToAruShiroiNeko [~admin@wikimedia/ToAruShiroiNeko] has joined #wikipedia-en 15:57 -!- sDrewth [~billinghu@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #wikipedia-en [] 15:57 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-40-170.as13285.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_European_countries_by_maximum_blood_alcohol_level.svg 15:58 < Swob> doesnt really match the stereotype 15:58 < Swob> except for Finland 15:58 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Blade hah you are too sharp to get really drunk clearly 15:58 < The_Blade> Heh. 15:59 < ToAruShiroiNeko> how the hell is russia sober? 15:59 < Swob> it looks like it's basically the ex-Communist countries that have the strictest drunk driving laws 15:59 < Shirik> 0.00? 15:59 < Shirik> like 15:59 < Shirik> you could accidentally swallow a cup of mouthwash and end up above 0.00 15:59 * The_Blade was just thinking that. 15:59 -!- muahaha2 [~muahaha@cpc14-oldh9-2-0-cust88.10-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02 -!- JemBeep [~JemBeep@92.40.254.95.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: EATING CHILDREN TURNS ME ON] 16:02 -!- foksglam is now known as tzatziki 16:02 < IShadowed_> > * JemBeep has quit (Quit: EATING CHILDREN TURNS ME ON) 16:02 < IShadowed_> what 16:02 -!- IShadowed_ is now known as IShadowed 16:03 < Isarra> Some people like attention. Saying stuff like that gets them attention. 16:03 < The_Blade> Is it really all *that* different from saying "EATING CORNISH GAME HENS TURNS ME ON" or "EATING VEAL TURNS ME ON"? 16:03 < Swob> cornish game hens deserve it 16:04 < Isarra> Caps lock is a favourite of attention whores. 16:04 * The_Blade never liked them all that much, despite being a big-time meat eater. 16:04 < BlastHardcheese> om nom nom 16:05 < The_Blade> My sympathies lie with haggis and faggots, personally. 16:05 < The_Blade> Even though I'm American. 16:06 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:06 -!- russavia [~russavia@CPE-60-230-246-33.lnse1.wel.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 16:06 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:06 < Isarra> Dead mature animals are better. 16:06 < Isarra> More meat. 16:09 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Quit: wat] 16:09 -!- lukas23 is now known as lukas|away 16:10 -!- Demiurge1000 [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Demiurge1000] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:12 -!- FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Isarra costs more to grow 16:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> best is eggs 16:12 < ToAruShiroiNeko> as cheap as it gets to manifacture 16:13 < Isarra> Well, costs more as a whole. But if you've got land, some steers can almost manage themselves. 16:14 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:14 < Isarra> ...sometimes too well, at which point you have to track them into the neighbour's pond and forcibly drag them back. 16:15 < eeekster> what part of a ship do they ride in? 16:16 -!- Agent_ellison [yogi@2.171.196.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:16 < Demiurge1000> steers? Steerage, presumably 16:17 < The_Blade> Either there or at the wheel. 16:18 < eeekster> yep 16:19 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@2.171.196.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:20 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@2.171.196.49] has quit [Changing host] 16:20 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:21 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:23 -!- SigmaWP [~coalball@Wikipedia/Lowercase-Sigma] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:23 -!- Agent_ellison [yogi@2.171.196.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [] 16:26 -!- Agent_ellison [yogi@2.171.196.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:28 -!- Darxus [~darxus@panic.chaosreigns.com] has left #wikipedia-en [] 16:29 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:30 -!- Qcoder00 [~chatzilla@gfarlie-adsl.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 16:32 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@2.171.196.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:32 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@2.171.196.49] has quit [Changing host] 16:32 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:32 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:32 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@c-69-255-116-4.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:32 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:33 -!- HectorAE [~Panhuman@74-134-161-138.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:33 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:35 -!- Agent_ellison [yogi@2.171.196.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:35 -!- Agent_ellison [yogi@2.171.196.49] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:35 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:38 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 16:39 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40 -!- Headbomb [~chatzilla@Wikipedia/Headbomb] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:41 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:42 -!- Agent_ellison [yogi@2.171.196.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:44 < jorm> So, who wants to start raging against the machine? 16:44 < jorm> 'cause I got this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow_Portal/lnteractive_Prototype 16:44 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46 < HectorAE> I'm so confused what is this doing 16:46 < HectorAE> And why am I in jorm's account for the prototype 16:46 -!- Sky2042_afk is now known as Sky2042 16:48 < jorm> It should have asked you for a user name. 16:48 < jorm> which then fakes it to your username. 16:49 < Swob> oh is this LiquidThreads? 16:49 < Sky2042> Swob: better. Facebook. 16:49 < jorm> No. This is Flow. 16:49 < Krenair> ... no. 16:49 < Swob> ugh. i dont use facebook 16:50 * Sky2042 chuckles. 16:50 < HectorAE> Oh sorry forget to turn on scripting 16:50 < Swob> liquid threads looks great, only thing I dont get is where is the view source button, or is there none? 16:50 < Swob> like how do I get a "diff" 16:50 < jorm> you don't? 16:50 < Swob> ok so there's no diffs 16:50 < jorm> Flow uses the Visual Editor. 16:51 < jorm> (well, it will.) 16:51 < jorm> the demo doesn't. 16:51 < Krenair> jorm, do you know when WMF plans to start coding Flow? 16:51 < HectorAE> So will this become the standard for Talk pages? 16:51 -!- Fox2k12 [yogi@wikipedia/fox2k11] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:51 < Sky2042> HectorAE: yes 16:52 < jorm> Krenair: Within the next few months, I think. 16:52 < Krenair> As I've been patching LQT a lot lately (hence the popping up as soon as someone says 'LiquidThreads') I'm kinda interested 16:52 < jorm> HectorAE: yes. 16:52 < jorm> It is currently planned (by me, but maybe not by Terry) that Flow is an upgrade path from LQT. 16:52 < jorm> And I expect there will be a decision made about porting the LQT codebase to Flow. 16:53 < jorm> We want to make the database structure compatible. 16:53 < James_F> Yeah. 16:53 < James_F> LQT3 had a good DB backend design we might want to steal. 16:53 < James_F> Rather than re-inventing the wheel. 16:53 < jorm> I know, because I helped write that backend. 16:53 < Swob> so what will happen to old user talk page edits ? 16:53 < jorm> FLow has a lot of concepts that LQT does not, like subscriptions and such. 16:53 < Swob> and other talk page edits 16:54 < jorm> They get archived off into "Historical" discussion pages. 16:54 < Swob> ok 16:54 < jorm> hrm. lemme give you a thing to read, Swob 16:54 < SuicidalZerg> mareklug, they didn't have anything to test it there >.> 16:54 < jorm> This starts the conversation; http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow_Portal 16:54 < SuicidalZerg> So I got a new one. (Same model). 16:54 < jorm> at the bottom, i talk about use cases. 16:55 < SuicidalZerg> And it's still ghosting, even on a different TV, lol 16:55 < HectorAE> Will archiving and such work the same way? 16:55 < jorm> no! archiving will work differenty. 16:55 < jorm> first, we need to understand what we mean with "archive" 16:55 < jorm> currently, to "archive" something means "put it onto a sub page, never to be seen again". it means "no one has talked in this thread for a while, so bye bye" - to reduce clutter. 16:56 < BlastHardcheese> I've looked at archives :/ 16:56 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@177.158.97.232] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:56 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@177.158.97.232] has quit [Changing host] 16:56 -!- Beria_ [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:56 < jorm> Flow doesn't need to have that done. When no one talks in a thread, it just stays right where it is. It doesn't clutter, because Flow discussions are a stream. The topic is still there, but you need to scroll to it or search for it. 16:56 -!- Computron_ [~quassel@gryllida.uk.to] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:56 < jorm> When we talk about "archiving" in Flow, we really mean "locking" 16:57 < Swob> do you think ANI and other noticeboards will also switch over? 16:57 < jorm> You lock a thread with a summary/hat note. Done. No one responds. and it falls off the stack normally over time. 16:57 -!- Computron [~quassel@gryllida.uk.to] has joined #wikipedia-en 16:58 * Sky2042 twitches at the word 'stack'. 16:58 < jorm> Now, we have a new concept called "Stale topics". If no one has replied to a topic in 2 weeks, it's "stale". And if you try to respond, you get notified "this thread is kind of dead, dude, you probably don't want to reply" 16:58 -!- Computron is now known as Guest40323 16:58 < jorm> Swob: We aren't looking at AN/I or other noticeboards yet. We're ONLY looking at User Talk pages. 16:58 < jorm> what we learn from that, we'll apply to other discussion types, though. 16:58 < Krenair> I'm not familiar with LQT3 16:59 < jorm> It never got implemented. There were designs and some DB structures made. 16:59 < jorm> the project got canned in late 2011. 16:59 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59 < jorm> much to my chagrin. 17:00 < jorm> Sky2042: you twitch, but that's the right metaphor. 17:01 < Sky2042> jorm: I'm not saying it's not, lol. 17:01 < HectorAE> Can you still get Talk pages in wikimarkup form? 17:01 < jorm> In Flow? No. 17:01 -!- camerin [hoax@newelite2.bshellz.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01 < jorm> That's kind of the point. 17:02 -!- Fluffernutter is now known as Fluff|away 17:02 -!- The_Blade is now known as The_Blade|food 17:02 < jorm> WIkitext is . . . hellish. That's the entire driving force behind the visual editor. 17:02 < jorm> Are the conversations stored as wikitext? probably. 17:02 < Krenair> So the VisualEditor won't actually be dealing with wikitext in Flow? 17:02 < Bazinga> anyone here have an understanding of JS for a quick question 17:03 < Krenair> yes 17:03 < jorm> ...yes and no, Krenair. 17:03 < HectorAE> But the actual topic framework is entirely server-side then? 17:03 < jorm> yeah, i know javascript. 17:03 < Bazinga> Why doesn't this work? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Addihockey10/svgtagger.js 17:03 < jorm> The reason to use the visual editor in Flow is pretty simple: we want to ensure that flow conversations can be edited with the visual editor. Which means that they have to *come* from the visual editor. 17:04 < jorm> HectorAE: yes, it will be server side. The prototype is all client side, but that is the nature of prototypes. 17:04 < Sky2042> Wait, so how will someone leave comments if they turn the VisEd off?... 17:04 < jorm> there won't be that option, Sky2042. 17:04 < Bazinga> My understanding is you can't turn it off XD 17:04 < jorm> it will be enabled by default for Flow conversations. 17:05 < jorm> Bazinga: what is this supposed to do? 17:05 < Bazinga> jorm: Add {{SVG}} to an image page. 17:05 < Bazinga> when the user clicks 17:05 < Bazinga> the SVG button 17:05 < jorm> how is it failing? 17:06 < jorm> well. wait. 17:06 < Bazinga> When I click on the button nothing happens 17:06 < jorm> you're doing a replace() and not escaping your {{ and }} 17:06 * Bazinga looks 17:07 < jorm> check and see what the console says in firefox. 17:07 < Bazinga> would chrome work as well? 17:07 < jorm> chrome sucks for debugging javascript, unfortunately. 17:07 < jorm> text = text.split('').reverse().join('').replace( 17:07 < jorm> '}}', 17:07 < jorm> '}}\n{{SVG}}'.split('').reverse().join('') 17:07 < jorm> ).split('').reverse().join(''); 17:07 < HectorAE> And will Flow go in all Talk pages? 17:07 < Krenair> wow 17:07 -!- p858snake|l is now known as p858snake|out 17:08 < jorm> replace() expects a regex; "}}" is funky. try "\}\}" 17:08 < jorm> HectorAE: initially, all *User* talk pages. 17:08 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:09 < HectorAE> And article Talk pages will stay on the old system? Won't that be somewhat confusing? 17:09 -!- camerin [hoax@newelite2.bshellz.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:09 < jorm> for a while, yes. and then they'll get switched over, too. 17:09 < Sky2042> I've got a social question related to Flow then: How are you going to get all of us old birds to use it if there's no "wikitext" option? :/ 17:09 < jorm> lemme rephrase the question. 17:09 < jorm> "why do you need wikitext in a conversation?" 17:10 < Sky2042> Well, that just leads you to Why do you need wikitext in anything? 17:10 < Sky2042> Would you like to answer my actual question? -_- 17:10 < jorm> for 99.9% of interactions, you only need bold, italic, underline, right? 17:11 < HectorAE> What if you want to cut and paste things from articles? 17:11 < jorm> the visual editor handles that. 17:11 -!- Carly [~androirc@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:11 < Sky2042> What if you want to template your flow post? 17:11 < jorm> HectorAE: that's why we're not doing article talk yet. we want to look at the use cases. 17:11 < Ironholds> Sky2042: the VE will have template support :) 17:11 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:11 < jorm> James_F: ping ^ 17:11 < James_F> Indeed. 17:11 < jorm> but what Ironholds said. 17:12 < jorm> it's just not there *quite* yet. 17:12 < HectorAE> I dunno I'm feeling sort of iffy about this 17:12 < Ironholds> HectorAE: how come? 17:12 < jorm> but why would you template your Flow post? 17:12 < Carly> Hi 17:12 < Swob> the only downside I see is that since there are no diffs, you can point to a post someone else made 17:12 < Swob> *cant 17:12 < jorm> You need to think outside of the box, here. You're thinking about "oh, i need to template for this." but maybe you don't. 17:12 < jorm> Swob: Why not? 17:12 < Swob> you just have to point to the whole page 17:12 < James_F> Swob: Each post will have a permanent link; you don't need a diff. 17:12 -!- Nickinator [~Nickinato@123-243-142-239.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:12 < jorm> there will be urls to point to thins. 17:12 < Ironholds> Swob: I imagine you totally could. Flow is built around the idea that posts have primacy, not pages (sort of the opposite of pages at the moment) 17:12 < Bazinga> jorm: is that what you mean? https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Addihockey10/svgtagger.js&diff=95636783&oldid=95627963 17:12 < HectorAE> The whole VisEd thing just seems needlessly complicated to me 17:12 < Swob> and yeah, i guess, no more templates with Twinkle etc 17:13 < jorm> nope. Load up that prototype. Click the "single topic" link on the sidebar. BAM. 17:13 < HectorAE> But what about anon (non-user) posts? 17:13 -!- Carly [~androirc@pdpc/supporter/student/carly] has left #wikipedia-en ["AndroIRC"] 17:13 < Krenair> HectorAE, um, as opposed to wikitext!? 17:13 < Swob> well OK I misunderstood when you said there were no diffs then 17:13 -!- camerin [hoax@newelite2.bshellz.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13 < Ironholds> Swob: no diffs, in the sense that everything is its own post rather than everything being a revision to one, single post 17:13 < Swob> can posts be "reverted" ? 17:13 < HectorAE> Wikitext is simple. 17:13 < jorm> Bazinga: aye, but you may also need to escape ALL of them. 17:13 < Ironholds> which, with the current format, is basically what happens. 17:13 < Bazinga> all the }'s? 17:14 < Bazinga> so including the {{SVG}} 17:14 < Ironholds> you have [page]. [page] has timestamped revisions, each one of which contains everything. when you go to [page], it pulls up the latest timestamped revision. 17:14 < jorm> yeah. 17:14 < Bazinga> or am I totally off 17:14 < jorm> javascript regexes are weird. 17:14 < jorm> you have to play with them. 17:14 < Ironholds> and if you think about this, this is kinda irrational for discussions, right? 17:14 < Ironholds> it's like saying that the important thing about a discussion space is the sign on the door, not what people are saying. 17:14 < Swob> from what I rememeber, LiquidThreads was basically just a bunch of transclusions 17:15 < Swob> this sounds different 17:15 < jorm> Twinkle we can handle. And yes, LQT is a lot of transclusions. 17:15 < Krenair> Swob, wat 17:17 < jorm> i think he means that each reply is a page transclusion. 17:17 < jorm> which it is, technically. 17:18 < HectorAE> What if the user/browser isn't using JS? 17:18 < jorm> well, we'll deal with that during the development phase. 17:18 < jorm> the prototype requires javascript. 17:18 < Bazinga> jorm: it says that "section" is not defined 17:18 < Bazinga> could that be the whole thing? 17:18 < jorm> yes, it could. 17:19 < Swob> will the new format get rid of edit conflicts? 17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jorm o hai 17:19 < ToAruShiroiNeko> can I steal you at some point? 17:19 < jorm> there won't be edit conflicts, swob. 17:19 < jorm> there aren't in LQT, really. 17:20 -!- camerin [hoax@newelite2.bshellz.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:20 < jorm> ToAruShiroiNeko: for? 17:20 < Krenair> Except when two people try to edit the same reply, I think 17:20 < ToAruShiroiNeko> tech question 17:20 < James_F> Amongst other things, yes. 17:20 < James_F> Krenair: Yeah, but people aren't really meant to edit their replies. :-) 17:20 < jorm> Krenair: We're sort of removing that opportunity. 17:20 < jorm> ToAruShiroiNeko: shoot 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> okay 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:International_membership_templates/2012 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I am hoping to move that data to wikidata 17:21 < Krenair> jorm, uhh... okay. No more editing other people's replies then? 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> when do you think that will be a posibility 17:21 < Krenair> Or no more editing replies at all!? 17:21 < jorm> Nope. The fact that you can do that is *insane*. 17:21 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: jorm isn't involved in wikidata, to my knowledge; that's in development by WMDE 17:21 < jorm> Admins will be able to, but even then, maybe not the text. It may be that they can only set "hidden" 17:21 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I want infoboxes and templates to be able to pull memberhsip dates given date input 17:21 < jorm> yeah, i've not got anything in wikidata. 17:21 < Ironholds> I'd recommend poking Lydia_WMDE in -office 17:22 < Ironholds> (she's probably asleep right now, but I imagine she'll get it when she wakes up) 17:22 < jorm> yeah. what Ironholds says. 17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont want to poke her when she is asleap, that'd be creepy 17:22 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but ok :) 17:22 * Ironholds snorts 17:22 < Ironholds> users poke me while I'm sleepin' regularly. Luckily I don't sleep in the cables. 17:22 < Krenair> Yeah it's 02:22 in Germany right now... 17:23 < Swob> so it's basically like a forum 17:23 < Swob> a web forum, e.g. phpBB 17:23 < HectorAE> You know what I want people to do 17:23 < Ironholds> Swob: not really. for two reasons. 17:23 < Ironholds> forst; phpBB follows the "pages have primacy, posts are secondary" model 17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I pmed her :) 17:23 < Ironholds> and second: phpbb is a piece of shit. 17:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jorm so you find it crazy? :p 17:23 < Ironholds> I say that as someone who has been using its various iterations since they were 12. 17:23 < HectorAE> I want an automated tool that takes refs from linked articles on one article and allows you to automatically choose some of them and put them in that article 17:23 < Swob> whaaat i thought you were older 17:24 < jorm> that you can edit other people's comments? that's insane. 17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Ironholds you dont have a poke-o-matic? 17:24 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: thank god no. 17:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> jorm no, I meant the template structure 17:24 < Ironholds> I could develop the opposite system, though. Users try to poke me with fallacious questions, they get 40 amps to the nipples. 17:25 < Sky2042> Ironholds: ow. 17:25 < Ironholds> well, that thoroughly killed conversation 17:25 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:26 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:26 < Ironholds> ToAruShiroiNeko: no, he was referring to the comment-editin' ;p 17:26 < Sky2042> jorm: You must be living in a dream world then. I see people editing others' comments on talk pages all the time... 17:26 < Bazinga> jorm: I get "An error occurred while editing the page :/ 17:26 < Ironholds> Sky2042: "it happens" does not mean "it is not batshit insane" 17:26 < Ironholds> north korea, for example, is batshit insane. It totally exists. 17:26 < Ironholds> Although if you want to just wander north of the DMZ to check... ;p 17:27 < Sky2042> Ironholds: True. But that does not mean it should not be accounted for in whatever editing system. 17:27 < Sky2042> If that is the case. 17:27 < Ironholds> Sky2042: yes and no,. 17:27 < Ironholds> So, what I mean by that; we should, in Flow, support template syntax. Why? Well, you get things like notifications templates. 17:28 < Swob> hmm 17:28 < Ironholds> but, what are notifications templates actually trying to do? They're trying to inform people that "X is happening and you should take part". That's the core goal - the implementation is irrelevant. 17:28 < Swob> will people have free reign over their own talkpage? I can see people getting upset if they arent allowed to remove harassment from their own talkpage 17:28 < HectorAE> So what we're saying is that we're basically getting rid of wikitext for Talk pages 17:28 < Ironholds> so we could support templates for that, or we could include a tagging feature, or etc, etc. 17:28 < Sky2042> Ironholds: Implying notification templates are the only templates used. Don't go down a strawman sir! 17:28 < Ironholds> Sky2042: hah ;p. No, we are supporting templates. 17:29 < Ironholds> I picked notification templates because that we can implement in other manners; I'm trying to demonstrate that the actual implementation is irrelevant, as long as /an/ implementation is valid. 17:29 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:29 < Ironholds> So, what are people trying to do when they edit others' comments? remove harassment? close a conversation off? We can support these things in other fashions 17:30 < Swob> does that mean no? 17:30 < Swob> you dont have control over your own talkpafge 17:30 < Ironholds> I have no idea, that's a jorm question :) 17:30 < Swob> That wont bother me, but I can see it bothering others 17:30 < Ironholds> I was addressing "we should have editing-others-posts, people use that" 17:30 < Swob> ok 17:31 < jorm> well, what does that mean, "control over your talk page"? 17:31 < Swob> well my question addresses that too 17:31 < Swob> since deleting a post *probably* requires editing it 17:31 < jorm> the ability to delete conversations? They're still there. just in the history. 17:31 < Swob> unless there's an exception where removing is some transclusion-like thing that doesnt edit the post, just makes it invisible 17:32 < jorm> that would be "archiving" it. you hat note it. "we're done here." 17:32 < HectorAE> So will there be functionality to see a snapshot of an entire Flow Talk page as it existed in the past? 17:33 < Swob> OK yeah that will be a problem 17:33 < Ironholds> Whyso? 17:35 < jorm> probably, yes, Hector. 17:35 < Swob> e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Seb_az86556&offset=20130421204205&limit=20&action=history 17:35 < Swob> with Flow, that user would basically just have to tolerate that vandalism 17:35 < Swob> since there's no way to revert it or edit it 17:36 < jorm> no, you'd have ways to revert it. 17:36 < jorm> go mess around with LQT pages and how they get reverted. same same. 17:36 < Swob> you said that other people's comments can't be edited 17:36 < Swob> they can only be archived, and even then, it stays on the page 17:37 < Swob> that's a lot more frustrating, imo, than being able to undo something 17:38 < Swob> honestly that's not even the worst vandalism that goes on on talk pages 17:38 < Swob> it's just the first thing I found that wasnt rev-deleted 17:40 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40 < Ironholds> Swob: I'm confused. 17:40 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:40 < Ironholds> so, if it's archived, it goes away but is still available for public consumption if they look hard enough 17:41 < Ironholds> how is this any different from if you blank or revert the edit, at which point it remains in the history? 17:43 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43 < jorm> i have to step away now for a bit but i'll be back later. 17:43 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:44 -!- two2thehead [~User___@unaffiliated/two2thehead] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:45 < HectorAE> In related news 17:45 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46 < HectorAE> Does anyone have updates on the progress of TAFI? 17:46 -!- Dcoetzee [~Dcoetzee@wikimedia/Dcoetzee] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:46 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:47 -!- Patar_knight [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Patar-knight] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:47 < Swob> well, it would still be a pain to have to manually type out an "archive" box instead of just using rollback to remove vandalism, but at least youre saying people can in fact edit posts by others on their talk pages 17:48 * Jasper_Deng pokes Bazinga 17:48 < Swob> Im reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow now 17:48 * Bazinga stabs Jasper_Deng 17:50 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51 -!- Warhound [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-2-103-219-187.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:51 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@host-2-103-219-187.as13285.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:51 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:51 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:52 < Bazinga> Wait, now wikipedia has profile pictures and notifications? 17:52 < Jasper_Deng> not profile pictures 17:52 < Jasper_Deng> but yes I'm getting a bit annoyed that WP is turning FB-like 17:52 < Bazinga> read flow 17:52 < Bazinga> you have a profile picture or whatever. 17:52 < Bazinga> avatar 17:53 < HectorAE> ^ Jasper_Deng 17:53 < geniice> given not censored profile pics would not end well 17:53 < mattbuck> means i don't bloody notice talk messages 17:53 -!- two2thehead [~User___@unaffiliated/two2thehead] has joined #wikipedia-en 17:55 < Bazinga> mattbuck: but when you do, an erect penis will great you. 17:55 < Bazinga> greet* 17:57 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57 -!- Migrant [~frankski@ti0095a380-1745.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:57 < SuicidalZerg> lol 17:58 < SuicidalZerg> lolwut 17:58 < SuicidalZerg> wut is this I don't even 17:58 < SuicidalZerg> talk pages have profile pictures now? 17:58 < Bazinga> SuicidalZerg: yes. 17:59 -!- HectorAE [~Panhuman@74-134-161-138.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: eating burgers and burger accessories back soon] 17:59 < Swob> not yet 17:59 < Swob> coming in late 2013 I think 17:59 < SuicidalZerg> I can see it now, a giant mass of accounts spam your user talk, all of them with profile pictures of penises 17:59 < Bazinga> Exactly. 17:59 < Swob> thats what Im worried about 17:59 < Bazinga> Penises, swatztikas and gore. 17:59 < SuicidalZerg> And all of them are gonna be posting pictures of penises themsleves 17:59 < Bazinga> swastikas* 17:59 < SuicidalZerg> Unless the profile system untilizes the bad image l ist 17:59 < Swob> I know ironholds & Jorm are not dumb, but I didnt get a clear answer as to how to remove vandalism other than "type out an archive template and it will become just a small box 18:00 < Bazinga> Swob: same system.. revert. 18:00 < Swob> since there's no longer any way to revert any edits to your talk page 18:00 < Bazinga> pretty sure it's the sameish. 18:00 < SuicidalZerg> WHAT!? 18:00 < Ironholds> Swob: no typingout an archive template. 18:00 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:00 < SuicidalZerg> You can't revert edits to your talk page now!? 18:00 < Ironholds> there'll be a 'kill this' button. 18:00 < Ironholds> SuicidalZerg: you can. 18:00 < SuicidalZerg> I mean in the traditional way 18:00 < Ironholds> Jasper_Deng: okay. What bits are annoying you? 18:00 < Bazinga> Ironholds: are we allowed .gif avatars 18:01 < Ironholds> SuicidalZerg: you can. in Flow, you can't. because it'd be somewhat meaningless, frankly. 18:01 < mattbuck> as a commons admin, I must have a nuclear explosion of penises gif 18:01 < Ironholds> hitting 'archive' does precisely the same thing, conceptually, that rollback on your talkpage would. 18:01 < mattbuck> with a SOFT g, obama 18:01 * SuicidalZerg is looking at [[flow]] now 18:01 < Bazinga> mattbuck: aren't you the guy with the penis directory on his talkpage? 18:01 < SuicidalZerg> Dafuq? 18:02 -!- Extreme7 [~extreme@ool-4357c4f7.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02 < Bazinga> userpage* 18:02 < mattbuck> it's on a user subpage 18:02 < mattbuck> and it's populated by a bot 18:02 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:02 < mattbuck> and it just checks new uploads 18:02 < mattbuck> and it's nudity/sexuality, not just penises 18:02 < SuicidalZerg> So, now you have to manually edit the person's comments or some shit? 18:02 < mattbuck> I also get uk railways 18:02 < Ironholds> SuicidalZerg: what? no. there's an 'archive' button that kills their entire comment. 18:02 < SuicidalZerg> What if they do some weird shit like the vandalism that makes the entire page black? 18:03 < Ironholds> that won't be possible. 18:03 < Ironholds> flow talkpages are not wikimarkup pages. 18:03 < ToAruShiroiNeko> mattbuck penises mixed with other nudity? thats a buzz kill for plants 18:03 < SuicidalZerg> Oh, so you can't use any markup at all, other than links, perhaps? 18:03 < mattbuck> I don't tend to edit, just add to watchlist 18:03 < Swob> Ironholds okay thank you 18:04 < Swob> the MediaWiki page doesnt say that anywhere, either on the main page or the talk page 18:04 < Ironholds> SuicidalZerg: you'll have the visualeditor, when it's finished. 18:04 < Swob> would it be fair to say that users have admin rights on their own talkpage, then? 18:04 < SuicidalZerg> Well, since I don't edit any more anyways, I probably don't give a shit, lol 18:04 < SuicidalZerg> This is gonna break Huggle something fierce though, lol 18:05 < Swob> sicne admins are the only ones who can delete posts otherwise 18:05 < Swob> (yes I know it's not really deletion but that's what people likely will call it) 18:06 < Krenair> If these aren't going to be in wikitext pages then Huggle shouldn't pick them up 18:06 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:07 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08 < russavia> legoktm-- could yuo merge Q9754163 and Q7404687 plis 18:08 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:08 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:09 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:09 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:10 < Bradford> Jetro: :-* 18:10 < Sky2042> russavia: wrong channel. just sayin 18:11 < russavia> sky2042 -- legoktm is my wikidata bitch 18:11 < legoktm> russavia: i'm lazy right now. 18:11 -!- Superfreak [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:11 < legoktm> but sure 18:12 < Sky2042> russavia: I'm not disagreeing. He's my wikidata bitch too. 18:12 * Sky2042 winks at legoktm. 18:12 < russavia> '''Oppose''' Has an inherent propensity for laziness 18:12 < legoktm> hey! 18:12 < legoktm> but {{done}} 18:12 < russavia> thx 18:13 < russavia> is there like a {{merge}} template I can use? 18:13 < mattbuck> ... 18:13 < mattbuck> you're a {{merge}} template 18:13 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Client Quit] 18:13 < russavia> would someone like to nominate this shit for deletion on Commons--http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Derby_railway_station_MMB_D2_220013.jpg 18:13 < ToAruShiroiNeko> russavia how are patriarchs selected? 18:14 * Sky2042 {{merge}}s russavia with mattbuck. 18:14 -!- nonsenseferret [~nonsensef@wikipedia/nonsenseferret] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:14 < mattbuck> you're treading in dangerous territory, russavia 18:14 < mattbuck> (derbyshire) 18:15 < russavia> toaru --- not exactly sure how patriarchs are selected,but i think the swimsuit contest makes up something like 30% 18:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> ? 18:15 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I was asking a serious question. 18:15 -!- p858snake|out is now known as p858snake 18:15 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:15 < russavia> well you obviously asked the wrong person 18:15 < russavia> coz i have NFI 18:16 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:16 < AzaToth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_j8ID-m1pU 18:16 -!- Bendersgame [~chatzilla@wikipedia/LuciferTiger] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:18 < legoktm> AzaToth: what is that? 18:18 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18 < AzaToth> damaskus 18:19 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:19 < legoktm> shit.... 18:19 < AzaToth> http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1dpez6/a_huge_explosion_has_hit_damascus_the_capital_of/ 18:20 -!- bjelleklang [~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:20 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20 < SigmaWP> AzaToth: I like the URL 18:21 < SigmaWP> The carital of -- aaaagh... (dies) 18:21 < AzaToth> hehe 18:21 < SigmaWP> capital 18:21 < AzaToth> cliffhanger 18:21 < AzaToth> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22417482 18:22 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:22 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:23 -!- Loki [~loki@wikimedia/Wolfnix] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:23 -!- contempt [contempt@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AzaToth sure 18:23 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Damascus, land of sand home of spice 18:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Israeli rockets on Sunday hit a "research center" in the Damascus suburb of Jamraya, Syrian state TV reported. 18:24 -!- The_Blade|food is now known as The_Blade 18:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont see why Israel bothers 18:24 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a waste of ammo 18:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I dont quite get why Israel wants to provoke Syria more than they already have 18:25 -!- Loki [~loki@wikimedia/Wolfnix] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:25 < The_Blade> Because they can; they don't /need/ a reason. 18:25 < AzaToth> ToAruShiroiNeko: I assume if they plan to attack, they want to make sure they sone have any "research" left 18:25 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:25 < ToAruShiroiNeko> When Assad feels he has nothing to loose, he will not hesitate to attack with chemical weapons potentially 18:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AzaToth its a bad strategy to make such attacks 18:26 < geniice> targeting Hezbollah's supply line would be a logical priority for Israel 18:26 < AzaToth> ToAruShiroiNeko: I didn't do it 18:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> yes 18:26 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AzaToth haha, I am not blaming you :) 18:26 < AzaToth> but... 18:26 < Isarra> Well, I am./ 18:27 < AzaToth> attack is best defence 18:27 < Isarra> AzaToth, this is all your fault. 18:27 * Isarra has no idea what's going on. 18:27 < AzaToth> I know 18:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> AzaToth thats not true 18:27 < Isarra> What is your fault? 18:27 < Isarra> Or what did I just assert was? >.> 18:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice that would be true if Hezbollah was a key player 18:27 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:27 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has quit [Changing host] 18:27 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:27 < geniice> it is 18:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hezbollah is confused at the moment 18:27 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they hurt themselves in confusion 18:28 < AzaToth> AzaToth - Aza - Assad 18:28 < geniice> Hezbollah is the one force in the area that has shown an ability to stand up to the IDF 18:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I'd worry more about the more millitant groups in Syria whom have access to more advanced hardware. 18:28 < geniice> and thats a problem for Israel 18:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> right 18:28 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Israel should wish for the quick removal of Assad and be replaced with a porn star or something 18:28 < geniice> ToAruShiroiNeko Syrian groups don't have Hezbollah's tropp wuality 18:29 < geniice> troop quality 18:29 < kaldari> Ack 18:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice my sources say it is imposible to be certain about anything in Syria 18:29 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Client Quit] 18:29 -!- Elduen [~elduen@unaffiliated/andorin] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a lot of people are under/over estimating each others strength 18:29 < AzaToth> ToAruShiroiNeko: there is a town in Syria called Damascus 18:29 < geniice> if the millitants in syria had Hezbollah level competence they would have won by now 18:29 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Damascus is the capital AzaToth 18:29 < AzaToth> I'm certain of that 18:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice its not a matter of competence 18:30 -!- zz_nas is now known as nas 18:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Assad is using heavy millitary hardware 18:30 < AzaToth> ToAruShiroiNeko: your sources are wrong :-P 18:30 < ToAruShiroiNeko> thats difficult to combat 18:30 < geniice> in warfair it is 18:30 < Isarra> There are ways around an imbalance of technical power. 18:31 < SuicidalZerg> o-o It's getting windy as tits here 18:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice the rebels are unable to hold towns and cities because they get bombed 18:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its a stalemate 18:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hezbollah can at best have a stalemate against the IDF or else they would have taken over israel by now. 18:31 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hezbollah's goal is to win the waiting game. 18:31 < geniice> not really they haven't tried to take over Israel 18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The Israel-Arab war? 18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Egypt? 18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Lebanon? 18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> It is not like Hezbollah respects borders :p 18:32 < ToAruShiroiNeko> my point is you cannot see a Libya like victory unless you can remove air superiority in Syria 18:33 < ToAruShiroiNeko> which isnt an easy task given the upgrades to Syrian anti-air thanks to a certain putin 18:34 < geniice> Hezbollah wants to run Lebanon and have slowly been moving in that dirrection 18:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> perhaps 18:34 < ToAruShiroiNeko> but Hezbollah isnt that all-mighty 18:35 < geniice> they don't need to be 18:35 < geniice> its just everyone else in the area isn't very competent either 18:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure 18:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hezbollah only sruvives because of Syria 18:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> whom conveniently helps Iran help them 18:36 < ToAruShiroiNeko> a kind of dont ask dont tell 18:37 < AzaToth> https://twitter.com/israelhatzolah 18:37 < AzaToth> can't tell if legit 18:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> it probably isnt 18:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> only a moron would report that 18:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> notice how they didnt warn befoe the bombing but are warning beofre the "war" 18:39 -!- HectorAE [~Panhuman@74-134-161-138.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:39 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39 < AzaToth> well, they imply they are the emergency volunteer thingi 18:40 < HectorAE> You know what I find very depressing 18:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> why would the israeli millitary need volunteers for twitter? 18:40 < HectorAE> The state of Wikibook 18:40 < AzaToth> heh 18:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean is twitter that high of a priority for IDF/ 18:40 < HectorAE> Wikibooks is just full of single-page cookbooks 18:40 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:40 < HectorAE> And incomprehensible technical manuals 18:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> HectorAE so it can be like the bible a collection of "books" :) 18:41 < HectorAE> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Hake 18:41 -!- Superfreak [~chatzilla@wikipedia/deskana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41 < HectorAE> I mean who would write only that 18:41 < russavia> who here is from manitoba? mareklug you know? 18:42 < AzaToth> manitoba sounds african 18:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> geniice I am not disagreeing with you though 18:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> Hezbollah is a dangerous force not to be underestimated 18:43 -!- TDJACR [~TDJACR@lilug/member/tdjacr] has quit [Quit: Network Failure] 18:43 * Demiurge1000 too! 18:45 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:45 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:45 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:45 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:46 < The_Blade> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporality. This is pretty sad. 18:46 -!- James_F is now known as James_F|Away 18:47 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Blade what is it? 18:47 < HectorAE> I think that's one of those articles created by some college student as part of a class and then forgotten about ever after 18:47 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:47 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:47 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:47 < The_Blade> Temporality is a pretty fundamental aspect of philosophy, and it's about a 6 sentence long article. 18:47 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:47 -!- Guest11223 [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:47 -!- Guest11223 [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:48 < AzaToth> lets just delete it and hope it will return in better form 18:50 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:51 -!- Jasper_Deng is now known as Jasper_Deng_away 18:52 < Bazinga> mareklug: hydraulics on this http://www.mdi.lu/english/cityflowair.php 18:52 < Bazinga> :-P 18:52 < russavia> jetro-- http://i.imgur.com/AvGDjDm.png 18:52 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:52 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:52 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:53 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:53 < Jetro> fucking fleet 18:53 < Jetro> haha 18:53 < Jetro> :D 18:53 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:53 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:53 -!- Guest61372 [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:53 -!- Guest61372 [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:53 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:54 -!- nas is now known as zz_nas 18:55 -!- FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:56 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@186.94.236.227] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:56 -!- Hahc21 [~Hahc21@wikipedia/Hahc21] has joined #wikipedia-en 18:59 -!- Logan_ [~Logan@ubuntu/member/logan] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03 -!- two2thehead_ [~User___@unaffiliated/two2thehead] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:04 < Bazinga> Steven_Zhang: lol, australia http://i.imgur.com/vcEI0aM.png 19:06 < Bazinga> http://i.imgur.com/G1POt9v.png O_O 19:06 < Bazinga> russavia: polandball is the best 19:06 -!- two2thehead [~User___@unaffiliated/two2thehead] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:08 < Jetro> yes it is 19:08 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08 < russavia> the finnish pizza is great-- aaron will CC licence it 19:09 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:10 < Jetro> tossed 'er on the barbie 19:10 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10 < Jetro> What's the barbie 19:10 < Jetro> russavia 19:10 < Jetro> OH 19:10 < Jetro> barbeque 19:11 < Jetro> ? 19:11 < Jetro> cue 19:11 < Jetro> asd 19:11 < Mike_H> Jetro: I wish there was someone here who knew soaps better than I do :( 19:11 < Jetro> You mean for washing your hands or tv series? 19:11 < russavia> mike_h if you want someone who knows soaps-- you need to ask someone other than the english and french 19:11 < Mike_H> såpeserier 19:11 < Jetro> :D 19:12 < Mike_H> russavia: lulz. 19:12 < Jetro> Hahaha I'm laughing just seeing the Kazakhztan brick panel :D 19:12 < Jetro> BONK 19:12 < Mike_H> russavia: I mean the television shows. 19:12 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:12 < russavia> http://i.imgur.com/5qMUOpX.png 19:13 < Jetro> xD 19:13 < Mike_H> russavia: there is a cast photo uploaded on WP, fair use, of how the EastEnders cast looked in 2000, and I can name probably half the characters but not ALL of them and it's aggravating because I wanted to include a key of who is whom. 19:13 < Mike_H> which is why I want someone who knows these things better than me, and I thought *I* was good :( 19:14 < Mike_H> Jetro: it's this photo here (shrunk down and of inferior quality on WP) http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/47203000/jpg/_47203211_enders_466.jpg 19:14 < Jetro> Oh damn 19:14 < Jetro> If my grandmother was here I could have shown her 19:14 < Jetro> she'd probably know 19:14 < Mike_H> Jetro: I can even name that dog 19:14 < russavia> jetro --up to 71 now -- http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q88870 19:15 < Jetro> Is Barry in there? 19:15 < Mike_H> but not some of the people in the back 19:15 < Mike_H> Jetro: yes 19:15 < Mike_H> I believe that is him behind Pat 19:15 < Jetro> russavia brilliant 19:15 < Jetro> Oh cool 19:15 < Jetro> I dunno who Pat is 19:15 < Jetro> I just know Barry from EastEnders 19:15 < Jetro> you know, from Extras 19:15 < Mike_H> Jetro: Pat is behind the bench in the blue 19:15 < Mike_H> the older lady 19:15 < Jetro> Aaah 19:15 < Jetro> Yes 19:15 < sarahlicity> does anyone know of a tool which lists an editor's edited articles by number of edits? 19:15 < Jetro> I recocnise Barry 19:16 < Jetro> geasonsie 19:16 < Jetro> regognice 19:16 < Jetro> asodksd 19:16 < Jetro> recognise? 19:16 < Jetro> damn 19:16 < Mike_H> yes 19:16 < Mike_H> lol 19:16 < Jetro> Inglish is hard 19:16 -!- nonsenseferret [~nonsensef@wikipedia/nonsenseferret] has quit [Quit: away] 19:16 < Swob> sarah: yeah 19:16 -!- Beria_ is now known as Beria 19:17 < ihaveamac> TIL someone sued Wikimedia for Wikipedia describing their book 19:17 < ihaveamac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latawnya,_the_Naughty_Horse,_Learns_to_Say_%22No%22_to_Drugs#Legal_action 19:17 < Mike_H> Jetro: I just feel kind of bad that I can't remember the black lady's name at bottom right 19:18 < Mike_H> but I can remember the dog's name 19:18 < Mike_H> and I can't remember 15 or so other people's names but I can the dog 19:18 < Jetro> In the UK, they call 'em darkies 19:18 < Jetro> it's legal 19:18 < Jetro> no it isn't 19:18 < Jetro> I'm joshing 19:18 < Jetro> bad picture though 19:18 < Jetro> as in bad quality 19:19 < Mike_H> Jetro: the one on WP is worse quality 19:19 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:19 < Mike_H> so it could be fair used. 19:19 < Mike_H> [22:18:45] <Mike_H> .wik Wellard 19:19 < Mike_H> [22:18:46] <lingbot> "Wellard is a fictional Belgian Tervuren dog from the BBC soap opera EastEnders." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellard 19:19 < Jetro> oh yeah 19:19 -!- Fleetflame_ [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- Fleetflame_ [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:19 -!- Fleetflame_ [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:19 -!- Fleetflame_ [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:19 < The_Blade> That lawsuit brief involving Latawnya the Horse is almost as bad as Assfly's attempts at writing on Conservapedia. 19:20 < ihaveamac> <ihaveamac> "The text of the lawsuit is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, and erroneously describes Urban Dictionary and Wikimedia as being located at the same geographical address." 19:20 -!- dwerb [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:20 -!- dwerb [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:20 < Swob> yeah, UrbanDic, Wikipedia, whats the difference 19:20 < HectorAE> Wikipedia is better. 19:21 < HectorAE> Obviously, some people can't tell though 19:21 < ihaveamac> what about that split second you come across vandalism? 19:21 < The_Blade> The title and the general fiasco surrounding that book reminds me of some ArbCom request in January titled "BigBabyChips, NPOV, and Juggalos"; someone seriously thought Juggalos are an actual gang. 19:21 < BlastHardcheese> they're part of the internet, isn't the internet owned by google 19:21 < ihaveamac> BlastHardcheese: yes the internet is owned by google 19:21 < ihaveamac> they finally own everything 19:22 < HectorAE> "I published something, now I'm going to sue whoever says anything about it in public!" 19:22 < ihaveamac> I first found it on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litigation_involving_the_Wikimedia_Foundation 19:22 < Swob> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&oldid=535775528#BigBabyChips_NPOV_and_Juggalos 19:22 -!- YE|AFK is now known as YE 19:22 < Mike_H> I read that Latawnya book a few weeks ago for the first time ever 19:22 < Mike_H> I laughed until I cried 19:23 < russavia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWB9MfYoSfo here it is 19:23 < ihaveamac> russavia: I'm going to listen to that now 19:24 -!- wilmary5-d [~canaima@190.203.114.199] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:24 -!- after [~s@cpe-75-83-180-212.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:24 -!- dwerb [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:25 -!- Beria [~Beria@wikimedia/Beria] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25 < The_Blade> Yeah, if you ever hear the Angry Video Game Nerd rant about "Wally and the No Gang", it has more or less the same flaws. 19:25 -!- dwerb [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:25 < wilmary5-d> hola 19:25 < ihaveamac> The_Blade: I've heard about that review, but never saw it yet 19:26 < russavia> ihave to wonder how many tabs of acid she had when she wrote this 19:26 < The_Blade> It is *hilarious*. 19:26 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:26 < ihaveamac> russavia: and how many more to sue Wikimedia and more for describing their book 19:27 < ihaveamac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS0Uks4ZUw 19:27 < ihaveamac> will watch now 19:27 -!- wilmary5-d [~canaima@190.203.114.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:28 -!- bjelleklang [~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:28 < russavia> "Horses don't say no. They say "ney"" bwahahaha 19:28 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:28 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@pool-70-20-61-72.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:28 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:29 < Mike_H> russavia: I am losing brain cells with this reading 19:30 < ihaveamac> Mike_H: I think I should be dead, but I closed the video because I could not keep going 19:30 * The_Blade can only think of one horse that actually did drugs, and that was the horse Max Zorin owned in A View to a Kill. 19:30 < Mike_H> ihaveamac: I decided to devote my brain to more intellectual pursuits 19:30 < russavia> but seriously--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latawnya,_the_Naughty_Horse,_Learns_to_Say_%22No%22_to_Drugs#Legal_action-- that needs to be removed 19:30 < Mike_H> so I turned on Married with Children. 19:31 < ihaveamac> I restarted the video 19:31 < HectorAE> It's sourced. Why should it be removed? 19:31 < The_Blade> Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this person had hired Assfly has her lawyer; that bears an /uncanny/ resemblance to his writing. 19:31 < russavia> it's not sources to independent sources 19:31 < russavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uruguay-journalist-stub&oldid=539591374 -- i hate wctaiwan for removing ths 19:32 < legoktm> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_H._Adams&oldid=553570019 19:32 < ihaveamac> i'm cringing so hard to this book 19:32 < The_Blade> "Smoking drugs"... now that just made my day. 19:32 < russavia> xD 19:32 < ihaveamac> how do I close this window 19:32 < ihaveamac> I think I forgot 19:32 < ihaveamac> because of this book 19:33 < russavia> wait until you get to part where father horse talks of a frend of his who smoked drugs,overdosed and ded 19:33 < russavia> *died 19:33 * The_Blade thinks we should all go raid 4chan, as we're probably dumb enough from reading that book to think on their level. 19:33 < ihaveamac> russavia: I think I did 19:33 < ihaveamac> i'm now at the clapping 19:33 < ihaveamac> and the video's finished 19:33 < ihaveamac> let's throw a party, I made it through the book 19:34 < russavia> no the_blade,reading that book has increased my mental prowess 19:34 < ihaveamac> now let's see "Wally Bear and the No! Gang" 19:34 < Bazinga> russavia: that's hilarious 19:36 < BlastHardcheese> he ded after injecting four marihuanas 19:36 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36 < The_Blade> I would seriously shit my pants if I ever saw a bear wearing a hat and sunglasses skateboarding; worrying about having to see that is more than enough to stop me from LSD. 19:36 -!- AzaToth [~azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Blade russian bears are seen high due to inhaling jet fuel 19:37 < The_Blade> Did not know that... 19:37 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294757/Bear-ly-conscious-Russian-creatures-pass-developing-aviation-fuel-addiction-sniffing-discarded-gas-barrels.html 19:38 < The_Blade> Speaking of things that would make me shit my pants if I saw; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbTk6N5kwM 19:38 < ihaveamac> ToAruShiroiNeko: ಠ_ಠ 19:38 < ToAruShiroiNeko> I would have linked hat article from huffington post but even I have my limits :p 19:38 -!- ChrisGualtieri [ae3ebae3@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:39 -!- ChrisGualtieri [ae3ebae3@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has left #wikipedia-en [] 19:39 -!- ChrisGualtieri [ae3ebae3@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:39 < Swob> even the moon enjoys pizza 19:39 < russavia> i think i will just stick to having cones and watchng "in the night garden" 19:39 < ihaveamac> I like domino's 19:39 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Blade the moon is NOT a star 19:39 -!- Swob is now known as {soap|bed} 19:39 < {soap|bed}> arguably the moon is /in/ the stars though 19:39 * The_Blade lives very close to both Pepe's *and* Sali's. 19:40 < Sarcasm> Auuuuuugh 19:40 < Sarcasm> Almost done with this article 19:40 < {soap|bed}> those are pizza restaurants? 19:40 < Sarcasm> still have to do reception 19:40 < Sarcasm> and then tweak the lead to include it 19:40 < Sarcasm> and then I'm done! 19:40 < The_Blade> Yeah, world-famous. 19:40 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40 < {soap|bed}> ok 19:40 < ihaveamac> talking moon 19:40 < ihaveamac> that wants pizza 19:40 < Sarcasm> !link [[Aston Martin DB9]] 19:40 < ToAruShiroiNeko> The_Blade world famous? I never heard of them 19:40 < Sarcasm> No? Never mind. 19:40 < {soap|bed}> no bots here 19:40 < Sarcasm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_DB9 Do these sections look too short to anybody else? 19:40 < Sarcasm> Or is it just my 1080p monitor 19:40 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:41 < ihaveamac> I have a 1366x768 screen 19:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> they are a bit short but nothing is wrong with that 19:41 < The_Blade> ToAruShiroiNeko; it's a huge thing. Reagan used to get Pepe's flown out to California, and Frank Sinatra did the same with Sali's.. 19:41 -!- Cncmaster [~chatzilla@wikipedia/Cncmaster] has quit [Client Quit] 19:41 * The_Blade slightly prefers Pepe's, but you can't really go wrong either way. 19:41 < Sarcasm> I wanna FAC it though, so 19:41 < ToAruShiroiNeko> sure but thats US only still 19:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> world famous would be dominos or pizza hut 19:42 < ihaveamac> there's nothing wrong with short sections, but they might need {{Expand section}} if they are empty or too short 19:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> its short sub sections 19:42 < ToAruShiroiNeko> === level 19:42 -!- Adrianzo [~adrian_ca@186.94.236.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42 < The_Blade> Sarcasm; I think your sections are fine. Consider yourself lucky you picked a relatively simple article to bring to FA. 19:43 < Sarcasm> Hardly lucky. 19:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> oh what the hell 19:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/03/18/gas-sniffing-russian-bears_n_2901263.html 19:43 < ToAruShiroiNeko> :D 19:43 < Sarcasm> I picked it intentionally. 19:43 < russavia> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%22Nutty_Club%22_(8106438123)_(2).jpg -- i think candy would be more suited to thailand 19:43 < The_Blade> Well in that case, consider yourself smarter. 19:43 < The_Blade> At least, smarter than me. 19:44 < Sarcasm> what'd you try to take to FAC? 19:44 -!- {soap|bed} [~Soap@wikipedia/soap] has quit [Quit: bed] 19:44 < The_Blade> It's still a work in progress, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) 19:45 < The_Blade> (although to be fair, the FA thing is ancillary; my main goal is to have an outlet to unburden myself of the interest I have in the case) 19:45 < Sarcasm> waoh 19:45 < Sarcasm> Looks interesting. 19:46 -!- kuzetsa [kuzetsa@wikipedia/kuzetsa] has quit [Quit: Stop doing that it. You don't want it to fall off.] 19:46 * The_Blade is never, never, never going to allow it on the main page, for reasons that should be fairly evident. 19:46 < Sarcasm> Yep 19:47 < Sarcasm> Though you might get dragged off to TFC for no good reason 19:47 < Sarcasm> Did you ever edit anime pages, or am I mistaking you for someone else? 19:47 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-40-170.as13285.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:47 < The_Blade> Bring it on; I care about her privacy a hell of a lot more than Wikipedia processes. 19:48 < The_Blade> Not anime, though I've cleaned up from people using obscure animes as examples in kana articles. 19:48 < Sarcasm> Why do I recognize your username... 19:49 < Sarcasm> hmph, whatever. Prolly something innocuous 19:49 * The_Blade has helped out dealing with the Senkaku Islands nonsense, if you've ever ventured there. 19:49 < russavia> respect the_blade 19:49 -!- Solarra [~solarra@wikipedia/Solarra] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - bai] 19:50 < Sarcasm> Haha, I'm of Chinese descent 19:50 < Sarcasm> venturing into Senkaku Islands is just asking for it, frankly 19:50 < The_Blade> Despite the Japanese writing in my Wikipedia sig, I have very little love for the Japanese people as a society; my sympathies are to the Ainu. 19:50 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:50 < Sarcasm> Bias out the ass 19:50 < Sarcasm> Oh, fair enough 19:50 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:50 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has joined #wikipedia-en 19:50 -!- Fleetflame [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:50 < Sarcasm> Funny how that works; I'm not a fan of the Chinese 19:51 * The_Blade always found the Hakka people in China interesting, though that's probably because he read about Soong May-ling and her Hakka father Charlie. 19:51 < Bazinga> I'm not a fan of the majority of people. 19:52 < Sarcasm> Some of us are particularly detestible though, Bazinga 19:52 < Bazinga> Yes, like mareklug 19:52 -!- Fleet|mobile [~timmeh@unaffiliated/fleetflame] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:52 < Bazinga> (I kid, we just have our squabbles) 19:53 < Bazinga> Sarcasm: do you even edit 19:53 < Bazinga> like, who are you :O 19:53 < Sarcasm> I do even edit. 19:53 < Sarcasm> I'm nobody though. 19:53 < Sarcasm> Nobody worth knowing, anyway. 19:53 < Bazinga> {{cn}} 19:53 < Bazinga> the only RS is a link to your userpage. 19:54 < Sarcasm> What, you want a redlink? 19:54 -!- Bradford is now known as anderson 19:54 < Sarcasm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Superflat_Monogram 19:54 < Sarcasm> Have at it 19:55 < Bazinga> not bad 19:55 -!- HectorAE [~Panhuman@74-134-161-138.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: freenoded out] 19:57 < The_Blade> My userpage is barely better than a redlink, and I'm an admin; doesn't really matter. 20:01 -!- FastLizard4 is now known as FastLizard4|away 20:02 < ihaveamac> I haven't done any NPP recently so I don't know what to do with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoseofbuckley 20:02 < ihaveamac> :S 20:02 < The_Blade> A3 20:02 < Bazinga> http://hipsterjokes.tumblr.com/image/15759384040 20:02 < ihaveamac> someone beat me 20:02 < legoktm> The_Blade: tagged. 20:02 < legoktm> ihaveamac: :> 20:02 < The_Blade> Good. 20:03 < ihaveamac> you 20:03 * ihaveamac pokes legoktm 20:03 * legoktm pokes back 20:03 * ihaveamac pokes legoktm again 20:03 < legoktm> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adoseofbuckley&diff=553575822&oldid=553575790 20:03 < legoktm> like whaaat. 20:03 < ihaveamac> I don't get why 20:03 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:03 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@c-98-235-185-58.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:03 -!- IShadowed [~IShadowed@wikimedia/IShadowed] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:04 < ihaveamac> why bother editing like that when it has a speedy deletion tag 20:04 * The_Blade remembers one asshole who spammed his resume 9 times in as many minutes under various article titles. 20:04 < ihaveamac> The_Blade: what 20:04 < legoktm> ihaveamac: AWB on autopilot 20:04 < The_Blade> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Garrywilkinson; every single "article" was a copy of his resume. 20:05 < ihaveamac> legoktm: I've never used awb properly (tried once, could not get it working on another wiki), but it should have an option to ignore pages with speedy deletion tags 20:05 < ihaveamac> The_Blade: hehe 20:05 < legoktm> ihaveamac: or the operator should check what they're doing instead of just hitting "save" 20:05 < Bazinga> Oh for fucks sakes 20:05 < Bazinga> I'm blocked from making an account again 20:05 < legoktm> Bazinga: stop socking! 20:06 < Bazinga> legoktm: It was my brother! I swear! 20:06 < The_Blade> Ask MascotGuy what he does when that happens; he seems to have no problem getting around it. 20:06 < SuicidalZerg> "[[WP:AES|←]]Replaced content with 'I will not be blocked. I'm a famous president. You block guys will all go to jail for 90 years. Bad manners. I'll call 911 and put all of them to jail.'" (matched replaced content with) used by [[User:John H. Adams]], edited [[User talk:John H. Adams]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=553570019&oldid=553569872 20:06 < SuicidalZerg> lol 20:06 -!- Ironholds is now known as IH|away 20:06 -!- puffin [~cremepuff@67-61-22-169.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 -!- puffin [~cremepuff@67-61-22-169.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:06 -!- puffin [~cremepuff@unaffiliated/cremepuff222] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:06 < Bazinga> The_Blade: what is Fäägel bai önjmälding 20:06 < Bazinga> <Die Registrierung des Benutzernames „Addihockey10 (automated)“ ist nicht erwünscht. Folgender Eintrag aus der Liste unerwünschter Benutzernamen führte zur Ablehnung: <code> .{30,} <newaccountonly></code>> 20:06 < Bazinga> that error message. 20:07 < The_Blade> I couldn't tell you... 20:07 < IShadowed> yes hello 20:07 < IShadowed> I return 20:07 < IShadowed> bow down 20:07 < The_Blade> Make me. 20:08 < Bazinga> The_Blade: uh-oh 20:08 < The_Blade> What's wrong now? 20:08 < Bazinga> my socks went through the wash. 20:09 < ChrisGualtieri> Has anyone ever been through the mediation process of DR? 20:09 < Bazinga> No. 20:09 < The_Blade> Steven_Zhang; if you're there, ^ 20:09 < ihaveamac> first time I saw someone use WP:IAR for vandalism 20:09 < ihaveamac> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gogo_Dodo&diff=549898180&oldid=549896522 20:11 < ihaveamac> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Asspissage 20:12 < The_Blade> You have to be shitting me; there's an RfC on the *graphic* for sockpuppet templates? 20:12 < Bazinga> lol 20:12 < Bazinga> LOL 20:12 -!- cmcv [~casper@139.216.194.61] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:12 < Bazinga> delete that per WP:IAR 20:12 < ihaveamac> The_Blade: link now 20:12 < The_Blade> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Sockpuppet#Reopening_RfC 20:13 < ihaveamac> what... 20:13 < The_Blade> If this doesn't go on WP:LAME, I don't know what should. 20:13 < legoktm> [10:12:17 PM] <The_Blade> You have to be shitting me; there's an RfC on the *graphic* for sockpuppet templates? <-- Hi. Are you new here? :PPPP 20:13 < ihaveamac> what............... 20:14 < The_Blade> I'm not sure which is worse, this or the hyphen-endash wars. 20:15 < legoktm> you mean the hyphen–endash wars? 20:15 < Demiurge1000> short horizontal lines! 20:15 < Sky2042> legoktm: :D :D 20:15 -!- kuzetsa [kuzetsa@wikipedia/kuzetsa] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:19 -!- CUDA_Nuk [~Alveric@207-47-230-55.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: Incredibilia sola credenda] 20:20 < ihaveamac> you may be a wikipedia reader 20:20 < ihaveamac> once you stumble across the project space into the discussion pages 20:20 < ihaveamac> you see the drama happen before your eyes 20:21 < ihaveamac> and see fights like no other 20:21 < ihaveamac> "hyphen–endash" 20:21 -!- MaKiNeoH [5f3f74db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.63.116.219] has left #wikipedia-en [] 20:22 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22 < ihaveamac> it amuses me 20:22 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:22 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:22 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:25 -!- cmcv [~casper@139.216.194.61] has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 20:27 -!- p858snake [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Quit: User has quit this network.] 20:28 * The_Blade has found some of the discussions on MOS:IDENTITY especially amusing. 20:29 -!- tttb [~tom@host-78-149-40-170.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Fare thee well] 20:29 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:29 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@208.87.217.46] has quit [Changing host] 20:29 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:29 -!- kaldari [~kaldari@wikimedia/kaldari] has quit [Client Quit] 20:30 < The_Blade> Amazing how on that topic, if you /dare/ to suggest that San Francisco ≠ the world, you're almost immediately accused of bigotry. 20:31 < harej> san mateo is also part of the world 20:31 < Bazinga> hai harej 20:31 < harej> that's most of it, though. 20:31 < harej> san francisco and san mateo. not a lot outside of that 20:31 < ihaveamac> is the wikipedia logo copyrighted? 20:31 < harej> that it is 20:31 < harej> it is also a registered trademark 20:31 < ihaveamac> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg 20:32 < ihaveamac> "CC-BY-SA/GFDL" 20:32 -!- Titoxd [~Titoxd@wikipedia/Titoxd] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:33 -!- Jasper_Deng_away is now known as Jasper_Deng 20:33 < ihaveamac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/274301_Wikipedia 20:33 < Sky2042> yes, there is an asteroid called Wikipedia. 20:33 < ihaveamac> c: 20:35 -!- jorm [~bharris@wikimedia/jorm] has quit [Quit: jorm] 20:35 -!- sdamashek [~Vacation9@wikipedia/Vacation9] has quit [Quit: sleep] 20:37 -!- anderson is now known as Bradford 20:43 -!- wctaiwan [~wctaiwan@wikipedia/wctaiwan] has joined #wikipedia-en 20:43 < Isarra> GHAH I don't like rooibos tea. o__o 20:44 < Isarra> On the plus side now I know why there was so much left. 20:49 < SigmaWP> wctaiwan: di 20:49 < SigmaWP> hi 20:49 < SigmaWP> da 20:49 < SigmaWP> sup 20:50 < SigmaWP> etc 20:50 < wctaiwan> hello. 20:51 -!- Jetro [~UserNick@53.211.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:54 -!- Sky2042 [~Sky2042@wikipedia/Izno] has quit [Quit: good night] 20:55 -!- Falcorian [~Falcorian@wikipedia/Falcorian] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57 -!- GorillaWarfare [~GorillaWa@wikipedia/GorillaWarfare] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 20:59 -!- The_Blade [~chatzilla@wikipedia/The-Blade-of-the-Northern-Lights] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:59 < wctaiwan> russavia: http://i.imgur.com/jn73EUL.png hahaha 21:06 -!- Bazinga is now known as Stewerdbot 21:06 -!- Stewerdbot is now known as StewerdBot 21:08 -!- StewerdBot is now known as Bazinga 21:10 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:17 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:20 -!- kelapstick [ca83e93b@wikipedia/Kelapstick] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 -!- jakr [~jake@pool-71-191-189-239.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:22 -!- jakr [~jake@pool-71-191-189-239.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:22 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:35 -!- Gfoley4 [~Gfoley4@wikipedia/Gfoley4] has quit [Quit: !] 21:37 -!- Magog_the_Ogre [~Magog_the@wikipedia/Magog-the-Ogre] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:53 < geniice> wctaiwan india has nuclear weapons 21:53 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:53 -!- after [~s@cpe-75-83-180-212.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:55 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:56 -!- Pharos [~chatzilla@pool-71-183-181-56.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 21:59 -!- gForcer [~gForcer@host-254-176-107-208.midco.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:03 -!- geniice_ [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:05 -!- geniice [~chatzilla@wikipedia/geniice] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:05 -!- geniice_ is now known as geniice 22:11 < Bazinga> What the fuck 22:11 < Bazinga> the founder of Tim Hortons (Tim Horton) died in a police chase at the age of 44 22:13 < legoktm> I can see it on the main page right now 22:13 < legoktm> DYK…that the founder of Tim Hortons was Tim Horton? 22:18 < kelapstick> co-founder of tim hortons 22:19 < kelapstick> Ron Joyce, the other co-founder was in fact...a police officer 22:20 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5.67.205.196] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:20 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@5.67.205.196] has quit [Changing host] 22:20 -!- M132T003C [~MTC@wikimedia/MTC] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:20 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:21 -!- ty [~ty@wikia/vstf/TyA] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23 < Bazinga> he was chasing him 22:23 < Bazinga> Anyways... 22:24 < kelapstick> since he left the force 9 years before horton's death, highly unlikely...but a good conspiracy theory... 22:24 < Bazinga> Is http://eddiejwilliams.me sketchy or http://eddiejwilliams.com 22:24 < Bazinga> which one is the real one 22:25 < kelapstick> why the .me 22:26 < Bazinga> Someone changed the link on the article 22:26 < Bazinga> i've seen this before where the new article was a spam one.. 22:26 < Bazinga> but this one is odd 22:26 < kelapstick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.me 22:26 < kelapstick> Positions itself for global use like a personal namespace .name: can be registered and used for any purpose. Used by businesses in Maine, Middle East and is popular for domain hacks. 22:27 < Bazinga> revert? 22:27 < elkng> is there such thing as "udp screamer protocol" ? why they call it "screamer" ? 22:27 < Bazinga> turn mute off and then you'll find out why 22:27 < kelapstick> .me is also powered by wordpress 22:28 < Bazinga> mhm 22:30 < SigmaWP> Hey 22:30 < SigmaWP> What do you call that thing when you identify who wrote something by comparing stuff they previously wrote before? 22:30 < SigmaWP> Like they use the same vocabulary and sentence and paragraph structure 22:30 < SigmaWP> which makes them somehow traceable 22:30 < Bazinga> SigmaWP: their dialect. 22:31 < Bazinga> (kidding0 22:31 < kelapstick> linguistic forensics? 22:31 < Bazinga> Are you talking about strictly writter 22:31 < Bazinga> written/ 22:31 < kelapstick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_linguistics 22:32 < kelapstick> I think there is a single word you are looking for though, I can't think of it 22:32 < Bazinga> probably in that article 22:32 < kelapstick> stylistics 22:33 < elkng> its interesting are there pople who get paid for writing some articles, like some company wants to see article about their stuff or something and how can they find someone to write on wikipedia something ? I mean are there special paid for staff on wikipedia's team to do those work for money ? 22:34 < elkng> try to not say "what?" 22:35 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40 -!- armufox [~armucat@ip70-180-86-176.no.no.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:40 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:40 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@ip72-199-26-55.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:40 -!- ihaveamac [~ihaveamac@unaffiliated/ihaveamac] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:41 -!- MBisanz [~MBisanz@wikipedia/MBisanz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:44 < Demiurge1000> No, there are not. 22:44 < Demiurge1000> Also, "work for money" is frowned upon. 22:46 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@ipv6.irc.teh-server.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:46 -!- phuzion [~phuzion@ipv6.irc.teh-server.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:48 -!- Hazard-SJ_ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has joined #wikipedia-en 22:48 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:49 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:49 < SigmaWP> elkng: ^ 22:49 -!- Hazard-SJ_ is now known as Hazard-SJ 22:52 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53 -!- Bradford [kvirc@unaffiliated/bradford] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:00 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:00 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:00 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:01 -!- FastLizard4|away is now known as FastLizard4 23:03 -!- gForcer [~gForcer@host-254-176-107-208.midco.net] has left #wikipedia-en [] 23:03 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:03 -!- harej [~quassel@66-44-29-73.c3-0.129-ubr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:03 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:05 -!- ChrisGualtieri [ae3ebae3@wikipedia/ChrisGualtieri] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:06 -!- harej [~quassel@wikipedia/MessedRocker] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:10 < gde33> what was wrong here? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electronic_harassment&diff=553216889&oldid=547898942 23:11 < gde33> "none of the legislation cited refers to 'electronic harassment'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Electronic_harassment#A_gross_misrepresentation_of_sources 23:11 < gde33> orly? 23:11 < gde33> it is locked anyway, my work here is done. :-) 23:12 < Bazinga> Is there an abusive admin available? 23:12 < gde33> lol 23:12 < geniice> Bazinga yes 23:12 < SuicidalZerg> Penises 23:12 < Bazinga> geniice: I need you to do something for me... 23:12 < Bazinga> sec, let me make the revision first 23:12 < gde33> geniice: you sound very abusive 23:13 < geniice> Bazinga I'm not using protection to win you an edit war 23:13 < Bazinga> not it at all... 23:13 < gde33> oh why not? everyone else is doing it. 23:13 < geniice> gde33 been de-admined more than anyone else 23:13 < gde33> you want 1000 examples? 23:13 < gde33> lol 23:15 * geniice adds Niall Ferguson to category homophobes 23:15 < gde33> we have that? 23:15 < gde33> the full xenofobia dictionary? 23:15 < Bazinga> geniice: please salt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ambox_important.svg 23:16 < Bazinga> and other links I link :-P 23:16 -!- techman224 [~techman22@Wikimedia/Techman224] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 23:16 < geniice> why? 23:17 < Bazinga> Prevent vandalism from a highly-used image 23:17 < Bazinga> (a going to be highly-used image) 23:17 < Bazinga> salt the en one so the commons one can be used etc 23:17 < geniice> doesn't cascading protection do that? 23:18 < Bazinga> Oh. 23:18 < Bazinga> hm, does it if it isn't created yet? 23:18 < Bazinga> If so it's perfectly fine and I'll send you the abusive diff. 23:18 -!- Bradford is now known as chichito 23:19 < gde33> geniice: could you revert this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Electronic_harassment&diff=553216889&oldid=547898942 23:20 -!- chichito is now known as Bradford 23:20 -!- Cameron11598 [62ef66cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.239.102.205] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:20 < geniice> gde33 not getting involved 23:20 < Cameron11598> Any one on? 23:20 < gde33> geniice: howso? I'm not involved either 23:20 < gde33> the article is locked and you said you didn't use that to win arguments 23:21 < gde33> lol 23:21 -!- Ktr101 [48134c35@wikipedia/Ktr101] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:21 < Cameron11598> Any one seen this glitch in recent changes? 23:21 < Cameron11598> diff | hist) . . User:AlexNewArtBot/BadSearchResult; 23:17 . . (-17,515) . . TedderBot (talk | contribs) (most recent results, 172 articles, daily counts: ▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▇▉▅▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁ 23:21 < Ktr101> skyscrapers? 23:21 < Cameron11598> Comes up even with bots hidden... 23:22 < Ktr101> on a serious note, does anyone know if we have notability guidelines for pageant winners who happen to also be former porn stars? 23:22 < Cameron11598> Best bet would be BLP and GNG 23:23 < Bazinga> geniice: OK could you add the text from my sandbox https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Addihockey10/Sandbox&action=edit to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ambox/core&action=edit 23:24 < Bazinga> All it does it change raster images to vector images so people who use magnification get sexy images rather than dotty ones. 23:24 < gde33> geniice: Why should I bother with wikipedia? Nothing I do is ever right. There is so much red tape that I never got a single contribution into the wiki. You are very much an involved party in the universal refusal. 23:24 -!- Cameron11598 [62ef66cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.239.102.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:24 < geniice> Bazinga no. 1) the image isn't protected on commons 23:24 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:24 < geniice> Bazinga 2) I'm not touching a template like that 23:25 < geniice> 3)I think the image will still be re-rendered as a PNG image whatever you do 23:25 < Bazinga> Yes, but at the set magnification. 23:25 -!- Seahorse [~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 23:25 < geniice> gde33 Electronic harassment is only semi protected 23:25 < Bazinga> (if the guy is at 2x, the image will be rendered as a png 2x as sharp) 23:25 < Bazinga> and I'm about to get it protected on commons 23:26 < gde33> geniice: what a terrible excuse to run people off the wiki 23:26 < geniice> gde33 I'm pretty sure you can edit semi protected pages 23:26 < geniice> Bazinga I'm a commons admin 23:27 < geniice> and its protected on commons. Not sure about how protection will work on en 23:28 < Bazinga> geniice: Can you protect it plz? 23:28 < Bazinga> (them) 23:28 < Bazinga> I'm pretty sure cascading protection salts 23:28 < Bazinga> I forgot about that. 23:28 < Bazinga> You won't be able to upload anything 23:29 < geniice> however I don't think we use cascading protection on templates we use a different system 23:29 < Bazinga> on commons? You'd need to do each individually but the en template is definitely cascading. 23:30 < geniice> I've protected it on commons 23:30 < Bazinga> they're all transcluded on WP:Cascading protection templates or something like that 23:31 < Bazinga> geniice: I can't see the preview b/c I'm not an admin but it's foolproof. 23:32 < geniice> yes thats the way its meant to work 23:32 < geniice> anyway leave an edit request on the template talk page and someone who knows about such things will get to it 23:32 < Bazinga> trying in the sandbox :-P 23:34 -!- Hazard-SJ [~Hazard-SJ@wikimedia/Hazard-SJ] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1 second] 23:38 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:38 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:38 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:40 -!- SuicidalZerg [~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:40 < gde33> geniice: the 30 min are over, I never spend more than 30 min trying to restore a single edit. You can do it yourself now. :) 23:40 < gde33> good luck :) 23:43 -!- gde33 [~gde33@546A1A51.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #wikipedia-en ["Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"] 23:44 < Bradford> è_é 23:50 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:52 -!- mindspillage [~kat@50-196-147-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:52 -!- mindspillage [~kat@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:53 -!- Jeske_Couriano [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/jeske-couriano/x-0000001] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:54 < mareklug> Bazinga that little car does not have a steel frame or any frame, per contemporary car design, so everything I forwarded to you re: Unibody cars not being suitable to hydrolics by that certified technician applies here. As it would to a Golf. 23:56 -!- jakr [~jake@unaffiliated/jakr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:57 -!- addihockey10 [~addihocke@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has joined #wikipedia-en 23:57 < addihockey10> Petan : core/sandbox content to /core 23:58 < mareklug> addihockey10 ^ how many of you are here? 23:58 < addihockey10> One, now 23:58 < addihockey10> Haggis is asleep 23:58 < addihockey10> Bazinga died 23:59 < addihockey10> MPD. 23:59 < mareklug> [01:54:07] <mareklug> Bazinga that little car does not have a steel frame or any frame, per contemporary car design, so everything I forwarded to you re: Unibody cars not being suitable to hydrolics by that certified technician applies here. As it would to a Golf. 23:59 < addihockey10> I know :-P I was kidding. --- Log closed Sun May 05 00:00:05 2013